browser specific problem with frames

Matthias Caspary

Hi all,

can anyone imagine why the following site shows up correctly in
Mozilla Firefox 0.8 and Netscape 4.5, but not in IE6? In IE6, the
"main" frame seems to have disappeared.

###

<html>
<head>
<title>Untitled Document</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=iso-8859-1">
</head>

<frameset rows="54,680*" frameborder="NO" border="0" framespacing="0"
cols="*">
<frame name="blau" scrolling="NO" noresize src="../../blau.htm"
marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" frameborder="NO" >
<frameset rows="40,637*" frameborder="NO" border="0"
framespacing="0" cols="*">
<frame name="grau" scrolling="NO" noresize src="grau.htm"
frameborder="NO" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" >
<frameset rows="617*,17" frameborder="NO" border="0"
framespacing="0" cols="*">
<frame name="main" scrolling="YES" frameborder="NO"
marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" src="Impressumdt.htm">
<frame name="unten" scrolling="NO" noresize
src="../../unten.htm" frameborder="NO" marginwidth="0"
marginheight="0">

</frameset>
</frameset>
</frameset>
<noframes><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF">

</body></noframes>
</html>

###

Matthias

Andreas Prilop

On 30 Jun 2004, Matthias Caspary wrote:

can anyone imagine why the following site
You forgot the URL.
<title>Untitled Document</title>
Great! :-/
<noframes><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
</body></noframes>

Great! :-/

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Steve Pugh

m.*******@bringe.com (Matthias Caspary) wrote:

can anyone imagine why the following site shows up correctly in
Mozilla Firefox 0.8 and Netscape 4.5, but not in IE6? In IE6, the
"main" frame seems to have disappeared.
A URL would help. It's quicker than cutting and pasting code and
allows us to see other possible causes of problems such as HTTP
headers.
<html>
<head>
<title>Untitled Document</title>
Not a very useful title. How will your site stand out from the
4,200,000 sites with the same title?
http://www.google.com/search?q=Untitled+Document
<frameset rows="54,680*" frameborder="NO" border="0" framespacing="0"
cols="*">
rows="54,680*" is exactly equivalent to rows="54,*" and cols="*" is
redundent.
<frame name="blau" scrolling="NO" noresize src="../../blau.htm"
marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" frameborder="NO" >
<frameset rows="40,637*" frameborder="NO" border="0"
framespacing="0" cols="*">
<frame name="grau" scrolling="NO" noresize src="grau.htm"
frameborder="NO" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" >
<frameset rows="617*,17" frameborder="NO" border="0"
framespacing="0" cols="*">
So this is the frame that vanishes in IE6.

Changing rows="617*,17" to rows="*,17" makes it reappear.

Browsers are stupid, if you give them code that is more complicated
than it needs to be they will do stupid things.
<frame name="main" scrolling="YES" frameborder="NO"
marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" src="Impressumdt.htm">
<frame name="unten" scrolling="NO" noresize
src="../../unten.htm" frameborder="NO" marginwidth="0"
marginheight="0">

</frameset>
</frameset>
</frameset>
So you want four frames one on top of the other with heights, starting
from the top, of 54 pixels, 40 pixels, undefined and 17 pixels.

Why not just use this:

<frameset rows="54,40,*,17">
<frame name="blau" src="../../blau.htm">
<frame name="grau" src="grau.htm">
<frame name="main" src="Impressumdt.htm">
<frame name="unten" src="../../unten.htm">
</frameset>
<noframes><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF">

</body></noframes>

Not very useful content.

Of course, frames are evil and should be avoided (at least) 999 times
out of 1000.

Steve

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Kris

In article <Pine.GSO.4.44.0406301519290.842-100000@s5b003>,
Andreas Prilop <nh******@rrzn-user.uni-hannover.de> wrote:

<noframes><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
</body></noframes>

Great! :-/

They should have called it <nocontent></nocontent>.

--
Kris
<kr*******@xs4all.netherlands> (nl)

DU

Matthias Caspary wrote:

Hi all,

can anyone imagine why the following site shows up correctly in
Mozilla Firefox 0.8 and Netscape 4.5, but not in IE6? In IE6, the
"main" frame seems to have disappeared.

###

<html>
<head>
<title>Untitled Document</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=iso-8859-1">
</head>

<frameset rows="54,680*" frameborder="NO" border="0" framespacing="0"
cols="*">
<frame name="blau" scrolling="NO" noresize src="../../blau.htm"
marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" frameborder="NO" >
<frameset rows="40,637*" frameborder="NO" border="0"
framespacing="0" cols="*">
<frame name="grau" scrolling="NO" noresize src="grau.htm"
frameborder="NO" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" >
<frameset rows="617*,17" frameborder="NO" border="0"
framespacing="0" cols="*">
<frame name="main" scrolling="YES" frameborder="NO"
marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" src="Impressumdt.htm">
<frame name="unten" scrolling="NO" noresize
src="../../unten.htm" frameborder="NO" marginwidth="0"
marginheight="0">

</frameset>
</frameset>
</frameset>
<noframes><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF">

</body></noframes>
</html>

###

Matthias

You have obvious markup problems; just validate your document and only
use necessary attributes. You definitively don't know how to use the "*"
character when defining values in your rows attributes.
Finally, I would avoid nested frames and nested framesets: that can only
create more maintenance problems and usability and accessibility burdens
for your visitors.

DU

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