Size of disc in <LI>

[YT]

Hello,

I am this close | | to throwing myself out the window...

I am trying to do a <UL><LI> series and i really really really want the disc size of the list to be nice and small. i've been doing now about 2.5 hours of testing and i can't get it to do anything consistent. On my system, the size of the disc is about the same size as the text height, but on a system on the other side of the room, the size of the disc is nice and small - GIVEN THE SAME HTML!

Now i'm assuming that it's up to the browser to render these discs, and i want to know how it is determined what size of disc, circle, square, etc. is used? I've played with styles, font sizes, list-style-types pretty much everything, and i've come to the conclusion that it is totally random!!!

can some one please authoritatively state what the size of the disc/circle/square is determined by?

thanks,
yt

[Harlan Messinger]

Use plain text to post Usenet messages.

The size of the marker is determined by the browser and possibly by the
available fonts.

FWIW, in my opinion, the size of the list marker is hardly something over
which to get peeved, let alone to defenestrate yourself. "God, grant me the
serenity to accept the things I cannot change / The courage to change the
things I can / And the wisdom to know the difference."
"YT" <yt******@MAPSONfunkychickens.org> wrote in message
news:ZY****************@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
Hello,

I am this close | | to throwing myself out the window...

I am trying to do a <UL><LI> series and i really really really want the disc
size of the list to be nice and small. i've been doing now about 2.5 hours
of testing and i can't get it to do anything consistent. On my system, the
size of the disc is about the same size as the text height, but on a system
on the other side of the room, the size of the disc is nice and small -
GIVEN THE SAME HTML!

Now i'm assuming that it's up to the browser to render these discs, and i
want to know how it is determined what size of disc, circle, square, etc. is
used? I've played with styles, font sizes, list-style-types pretty much
everything, and i've come to the conclusion that it is totally random!!!

can some one please authoritatively state what the size of the
disc/circle/square is determined by?

thanks,
yt

[Jukka K. Korpela]

"YT" <yt******@MAPSONfunkychickens.org> wrote:

I am trying to do a <UL><LI> series and i really really really want
the disc size of the list to be nice and small.
Set your browser's font size to small.

The disc size tends to vary by browser's basic font size setting, _not_
by anything you do in HTML, or in CSS for that matter.

It is especially unrealistic to expect to be able to do such things in
HTML, which is our topic in this group.
On my system, the size of the disc is about the same size
as the text height, but on a system on the other side of the room,
the size of the disc is nice and small - GIVEN THE SAME HTML!

Welcome to the World Wide Web. You can live with it, enjoy it, make use
of it, or waste your time trying to fight against its basic ideas and
benefits.

This being said, it _is_ annoying that browsers don't tune the size
according to the font size set in CSS, and it is annoying that there is
no CSS property for affecting the matter.

You can create an image and use list-style-image in CSS,

<ul style="list-style-image: url(bull.gif)">
...

or even make the image part of the document's content, e.g.

<ul style="list-style-type: none">
<li> <img alt="" src="bull.gif"> Foo </li>
<li> <img alt="" src="bull.gif"> Bar </li>
...
</ul>

These approaches have their own drawbacks, most of which are probably
rather obvious. What's not so obvious that in the list-style-image
approach, the exact vertical position of the image varies by browser and
is generally not controllable by the author.

--
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
Pages about Web authoring: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www.html

[YT]

Dear Harlan,

1/ I prefer not to use plain text for Usenet. What is with that 76 character width anyway -- are we still using DOS? Are you somehow reading your newsgroups with your VIC-20? Who gives a rat's ass what the ancient rfc says, fixed width messages are idiotic and are for exclusive use only by the hopelessly stupid. And anyway, you top-posted. Isn't that a cardinal usenet sin?

2/ Your observations about the issue at hand are completely and 100% useless. Did you actually read the message i wrote or were you so pissed off that i sent the message in quoted-printable that you had to respond with a meaningless string of words that essentially amouted to a colossal waste of bandwidth and everyone's time?

3/ For what it's worth, i don't care about your opinion. Nor do i particularly care for your suggestion that "the size of the list marker is hardly something over which to get peeved". I can get peeved over whatever i bloody-well want -- including bullshit useless usenet responses like yours. And you can take your condescending-assed serenity prayer and shove it up your hard drive.

Thanks for your response,
yt
"Harlan Messinger" <h.*********@comcast.net> wrote in message news:2h************@uni-berlin.de...

Use plain text to post Usenet messages.

The size of the marker is determined by the browser and possibly by the
available fonts.

FWIW, in my opinion, the size of the list marker is hardly something over
which to get peeved, let alone to defenestrate yourself. "God, grant me the
serenity to accept the things I cannot change / The courage to change the
things I can / And the wisdom to know the difference."


"YT" <yt******@MAPSONfunkychickens.org> wrote in message
news:ZY****************@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
Hello,

I am this close | | to throwing myself out the window...

I am trying to do a <UL><LI> series and i really really really want the disc
size of the list to be nice and small. i've been doing now about 2.5 hours
of testing and i can't get it to do anything consistent. On my system, the
size of the disc is about the same size as the text height, but on a system
on the other side of the room, the size of the disc is nice and small -
GIVEN THE SAME HTML!

Now i'm assuming that it's up to the browser to render these discs, and i
want to know how it is determined what size of disc, circle, square, etc. is
used? I've played with styles, font sizes, list-style-types pretty much
everything, and i've come to the conclusion that it is totally random!!!

can some one please authoritatively state what the size of the
disc/circle/square is determined by?

thanks,
yt

[Brian]

YT wrote:

Who gives a rat's ass what the ancient rfc says, fixed width messages
are idiotic and are for exclusive use only by the hopelessly stupid.
And anyway, you top-posted.
As did you.
Your observations about the issue at hand are completely and 100%
useless.
Welcome to usenet.
3/ For what it's worth, i don't care about your opinion. bullshit useless usenet responses like yours. And you can take your
condescending-assed serenity prayer and shove it up your hard drive.

Welcome to the killfile.

--
Brian (remove "invalid" from my address to email me)
http://www.tsmchughs.com/

[Harlan Messinger]

"YT" <yt******@MAPSONfunkychickens.org> wrote in message
news:oO****************@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
Dear Harlan,

1/ I prefer not to use plain text for Usenet.
Then expect most other Usenet users to think you're a nuisance. First of
all, it prevents your message from being indented so that each person's
contribution to subsequent messages is indistinguishable from yours. Second,
it cannot be read in all newsreaders. Not everybody has Outlook Express.
Since you don't seem to give a damn about the first point, I shall respond
to each of your points in the appropriate location, and leave it to you to
figure out where your text ends and where mine begins.
What is with that 76 character width anyway -- are we still using DOS? Are
you somehow reading your newsgroups with your VIC-20? Who gives a rat's ass
what the ancient rfc says, fixed width messages are idiotic and are for
exclusive use only by the hopelessly stupid. And anyway, you top-posted.
Isn't that a cardinal usenet sin?

2/ Your observations about the issue at hand are completely and 100%
useless. Did you actually read the message i wrote or were you so pissed off
that i sent the message in quoted-printable that you had to respond with a
meaningless string of words that essentially amouted to a colossal waste of
bandwidth and everyone's time?
You mean, the part where I answered your question by saying the size of the
disk is determined by the browser and the available fonts was completely and
100% useless? Or are you just so pissed of that someone told you you are
doing something obnoxious that you didn't bother to try to understand the
answer.

3/ For what it's worth, i don't care about your opinion.
I don't care about your petty problems. Go fend for yourself.
<plonk>

[Harlan Messinger]

Oh--by the way, I top-posted the first time out of sheer consideration for
you because, SINCE I was assuming you just didn't know any better, and
wanted to spare you the trouble of separating my response from your original
message. As you noticed, in my second response to you, I no longer felt any
desire to show you that same consideration.

[Jay]

"YT" <yt******@MAPSONfunkychickens.org> barked:

Dear Harlan,

1/ I prefer not to use plain text for Usenet. What is with that 76 character width anyway -- are we still using DOS? Are you somehow > reading
your newsgroups with your VIC-20? Who gives a rat's ass what the ancient rfc
says, fixed width messages are idiotic and are for exclusive use only by the hopelessly stupid.
Read the faq and learn how to post to the groups. Each group is different.
You'll get more responses if you abide by the faq requests.
And anyway, you top-posted. Isn't that a cardinal usenet sin?
So did you.
2/ Your observations about the issue at hand are completely and 100% useless. Did you actually read the message i wrote or were you so pissed off that i sent the message in quoted-printable that you had to respond with a meaningless string of words that essentially amouted to a colossal waste of bandwidth and everyone's time?
You got what you paid for.
3/ For what it's worth, i don't care about your opinion. Nor do i particularly care for your suggestion that "the size of the list marker is hardly something over which to get peeved". I can get peeved over whatever i bloody-well want -- including bullshit useless usenet responses like yours. And you can take your condescending-assed serenity prayer and shove it up your hard drive.

Perhaps what you think was his opinion was actually the answer (just not the
answer you were hoping for).

Stop barking and create an image for your bullet to the size that you want
it to be.
"Harlan Messinger" <h.*********@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:2h************@uni-berlin.de... Use plain text to post Usenet messages.

The size of the marker is determined by the browser and possibly by the
available fonts.

FWIW, in my opinion, the size of the list marker is hardly something over
which to get peeved, let alone to defenestrate yourself. "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change / The courage to change the
things I can / And the wisdom to know the difference."
"YT" <yt******@MAPSONfunkychickens.org> wrote in message
news:ZY****************@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
Hello,

I am this close | | to throwing myself out the window...

I am trying to do a <UL><LI> series and i really really really want the disc size of the list to be nice and small. i've been doing now about 2.5 hours
of testing and i can't get it to do anything consistent. On my system, the
size of the disc is about the same size as the text height, but on a system on the other side of the room, the size of the disc is nice and small -
GIVEN THE SAME HTML!

Now i'm assuming that it's up to the browser to render these discs, and i
want to know how it is determined what size of disc, circle, square, etc. is used? I've played with styles, font sizes, list-style-types pretty much
everything, and i've come to the conclusion that it is totally random!!!

can some one please authoritatively state what the size of the
disc/circle/square is determined by?

thanks,
yt