I have been trying to validate a frameset document with either the HTML 4.01
or XHTML Transitional DOCTYPE.
But I am finding that various <frameset> attributes ( framespacing="0",
border="0", frameborder="0") are not valid, presumably because they are IE
proprietary.
Is there a valid way to do these, particulary to get no borders, or does
one just ignore the validation, since IE is so predominant?
Thanks for your help, CMA 9 4705
Quoth the raven named CMAR: I have been trying to validate a frameset document with either the HTML 4.01 or XHTML Transitional DOCTYPE.
But I am finding that various <frameset> attributes ( framespacing="0", border="0", frameborder="0") are not valid, presumably because they are IE proprietary.
Is there a valid way to do these, particulary to get no borders, or does one just ignore the validation, since IE is so predominant?
Use a frameset DOCTYPE. http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html
Or... please explain why you need frames at all?
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"CMAR" <cm***@yahoo.com> wrote: I have been trying to validate a frameset document with either the HTML 4.01 or XHTML Transitional DOCTYPE.
Not possible. You should be using the Frameset doctype.
But I am finding that various <frameset> attributes ( framespacing="0", border="0", frameborder="0") are not valid, presumably because they are IE proprietary.
framespacing is IE proprietary. border and frameborder are Netscape
proprietary.
At least originally (IE3 and NN2 era). Now various browsers support
various different combinations.
Is there a valid way to do these, particulary to get no borders, or does one just ignore the validation, since IE is so predominant?
The valid way is to specify frameborder="0" on the frame (not
frameset) element. This will validate but won't work in the majority
of browsers.
So you have serveral options:
1. Don't use frames.
2. Use frames but allow the default border to exist.
3. Use frames, specify frameborder="0" on the frames, and accept that
many browsers will display the border anyway.
4. Use frames, use invalid code to suppress the border.
5. Write your own frameset DTD, validate against that.
Number 1 is the preferred option. The problems with frames really
outweigh the varying issues with optiona 2 - 5 so there isn't really
much to choose between them.
Steve
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Steve Pugh <st***@pugh.net> <http://steve.pugh.net/>
CMAR wrote: I have been trying to validate a frameset document
Oh. Dear. http://dorward.me.uk/www/frames/
with either the HTML 4.01 or XHTML Transitional DOCTYPE.
Try the Frameset DTD instead. http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html
But I am finding that various <frameset> attributes ( framespacing="0", border="0", frameborder="0") are not valid, presumably because they are IE proprietary.
Yes
Is there a valid way to do these, particulary to get no borders, or
No, not that works in browsers anyway
does one just ignore the validation, since IE is so predominant?
No, generally one either lives with borders or doesn't use frames in the
first place. The latter usually.
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David Dorward <http://blog.dorward.me.uk/> <http://dorward.me.uk/>
"CMAR" <cm***@yahoo.com> wrote: I have been trying to validate a frameset document with either the HTML 4.01 or XHTML Transitional DOCTYPE.
Impossible. You need to use a Frameset DTD.
But I am finding that various <frameset> attributes ( framespacing="0", border="0", frameborder="0") are not valid, presumably because they are IE proprietary.
The frameset element itself isn't valid except by a Frameset DTD.
Is there a valid way to do these, particulary to get no borders, or does one just ignore the validation, since IE is so predominant?
As the FAQ says, either you use valid markup, or you accept the borders
(which are _good_ since they reduce the harm caused by frames, making the
situation clearer to users).
Oh, and stop using frames - this will save you from this minor headache,
and users from frustration.
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CMAR wrote: I have been trying to validate a frameset document with either the HTML 4.01 or XHTML Transitional DOCTYPE.
But I am finding that various <frameset> attributes ( framespacing="0", border="0", frameborder="0") are not valid, presumably because they are IE proprietary.
Framesets are obsolete. XHTML 1.1 does not have them, thus it is a really
bad idea to make new documents that depend on them.
Is there a valid way to do these, particulary to get no borders, or does one just ignore the validation, since IE is so predominant?
Definitely not the latter. Technically, invalid or badly-formed XHTML is not
supposed to render *at all*.
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Shawn K. Quinn
"Shawn K. Quinn" <sk*****@xevious.kicks-ass.net> wrote: Technically, invalid or badly-formed XHTML is not supposed to render *at all*.
Nonsense, there is only a requirement to throw a parser error when
encountering malformed html (not invalid), and only if the xhtml is
served as xhtml.
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Spartanicus
Thanks to the extremely useful replies from Steve, David and the others.
I can't think of an alternative to frames to achieve the effect I need: a
left-hand fixed menu, while the main body on the right scrolls down.
I can't figure out how to use tables to do it.
And IE does not support the CSS {position: fixed}, so I regretfully am
stuck with #4.
Thanks, Steve, for making so clear the options available.
Cheers, CMA
David,
I really appreciated your innovative ideas for dealing with the lack of
CSS {position:fixed} support in IE.
Since there really is no other viable solution to this problem, I was
considering trying to implement your solution for IE >= 5.0
Complete cruft-free demos:
1.. fixed vertical bar for IE >= 5
Two questions:
Have you actually implemented this online?
If so, what response have you gotten from various users?
Thanks in advance, CMA
CMAR wrote: I really appreciated your innovative ideas for dealing with the lack of CSS {position:fixed} support in IE.
They aren't my ideas - thats why the domain changes when you follow the
link.
Have you actually implemented this online?
No, I prefer navbars to move with the page content - users expect it.
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