Search results to a non-existent page

[George]

Hi,

Anyone has the background for explaining?
I have made a search on my name and I have got a link to another
search engine.
The link's title was the search phrase for the other search engine (a
wicked phrase). Some but not all of the words of that phrase exist in
my website.
I reported it and they removed the link but did not give explanations.

Does anyone knows how things like that can happen? It seemed as if i
have a page with that wicked titled but the page was actually the
search results of a search engine.
I know and I have observed that if I search for say "email spam" I get
link to other search engines having their results with the same phrase
"email spam".
But how can I get links to other search engines with their results for
"strange phenomena"?

Regards

George

[Neal]

On 21 Jan 2004 11:19:35 -0800, George <lg*****@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

Anyone has the background for explaining?
I have made a search on my name and I have got a link to another
search engine.
The link's title was the search phrase for the other search engine (a
wicked phrase). Some but not all of the words of that phrase exist in
my website.
I reported it and they removed the link but did not give explanations.

Does anyone knows how things like that can happen? It seemed as if i
have a page with that wicked titled but the page was actually the
search results of a search engine.
I know and I have observed that if I search for say "email spam" I get
link to other search engines having their results with the same phrase
"email spam".
But how can I get links to other search engines with their results for
"strange phenomena"?

Regards

George

1) Define "wicked phrase" and "strange phenomena".

2) Just did a Google search for "email spam" and found but one search
engine in the top 10 results, a Yahoo directory listing containing that
phrase. Not sure what you're getting at.

In short, what was your question? Did a website use text from yours
inappropriately? Please clarify. Detail might be necessary, if not your
own personal info, then something that yields similar results.

[George]

Neal <ne*****@spamrcn.com> wrote in message news:<op**************@news.rcn.com>...

On 21 Jan 2004 11:19:35 -0800, George <lg*****@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

Anyone has the background for explaining?
I have made a search on my name and I have got a link to another
search engine.
The link's title was the search phrase for the other search engine (a
wicked phrase). Some but not all of the words of that phrase exist in
my website.
I reported it and they removed the link but did not give explanations.

Does anyone knows how things like that can happen? It seemed as if i
have a page with that wicked titled but the page was actually the
search results of a search engine.
I know and I have observed that if I search for say "email spam" I get
link to other search engines having their results with the same phrase
"email spam".
But how can I get links to other search engines with their results for
"strange phenomena"?

Regards

George

1) Define "wicked phrase" and "strange phenomena".

2) Just did a Google search for "email spam" and found but one search
engine in the top 10 results, a Yahoo directory listing containing that
phrase. Not sure what you're getting at.

In short, what was your question? Did a website use text from yours
inappropriately? Please clarify. Detail might be necessary, if not your
own personal info, then something that yields similar results.

Hi,

Defining "wicked phrase" will not be of any use as it relates to my
profession.
Imagine that you had a web page with the words "liar", "your surname",
"a" and "is". Then somehow searching with your surname in google you
get a link to another search engine with the link's title being "your
surname is a liar".

Instead, it may be useful to define what is a web page.
Is the search results of a search engine, a web page? I think no.

You said that Yahoo had a directory listing for "email spam". That is
fine but the questionable search engine had no listing for "wicked
phrase". That search engine has a collection of words and phrases
arranged alphabetically and when you click on them you get search
results. "wicked phrase" is not in this collection. However it also
has a box to enter a phrase to search. Searching with "wicked phrase"
in this mentioned search engine is giving a link to my webpage as one
of the results.
(boolean logic of the search is: try to find pages having all the
words in the search phrase but not necessarily as a phrase)
This is similar to searching in yahoo for "email spam" using yahoo's
search box and then searching with google and getting a link to the
previous yahoo's search. This does not happen and common sense says it
should not happen.

A search engine result that someone gets randomly is not a web page
unless is designed as a directory. In which case there are pages with
lists of links under a certain category.

Either "google’s" robot is fooled by someway which I do not have
the background to know, or there is actually a webpage in "yahoo",
which I do not see.

Does anyone guess any scenarios how could this happen? I have read
somethings about hidden text etc but what exactly could be happening
behind this, as I am trying to find who may be responsible.

Regards
George

[Nick Theodorakis]

On 22 Jan 2004 04:37:16 -0800, lg*****@hotmail.com (George) wrote:

[...]

Defining "wicked phrase" will not be of any use as it relates to my
profession.
Imagine that you had a web page with the words "liar", "your surname",
"a" and "is". Then somehow searching with your surname in google you
get a link to another search engine with the link's title being "your
surname is a liar".

Instead, it may be useful to define what is a web page.
Is the search results of a search engine, a web page? I think no.

You said that Yahoo had a directory listing for "email spam". That is
fine but the questionable search engine had no listing for "wicked
phrase". That search engine has a collection of words and phrases
arranged alphabetically and when you click on them you get search
results. "wicked phrase" is not in this collection. However it also
has a box to enter a phrase to search. Searching with "wicked phrase"
in this mentioned search engine is giving a link to my webpage as one
of the results.
(boolean logic of the search is: try to find pages having all the
words in the search phrase but not necessarily as a phrase)
This is similar to searching in yahoo for "email spam" using yahoo's
search box and then searching with google and getting a link to the
previous yahoo's search. This does not happen and common sense says it
should not happen.

A search engine result that someone gets randomly is not a web page
unless is designed as a directory. In which case there are pages with
lists of links under a certain category.

Either "google’s" robot is fooled by someway which I do not have
the background to know, or there is actually a webpage in "yahoo",
which I do not see.

Does anyone guess any scenarios how could this happen? I have read
somethings about hidden text etc but what exactly could be happening
behind this, as I am trying to find who may be responsible.

Perhaps you have been "google-bombed."

See:
<http://www.microcontentnews.com/articles/googlebombs.htm>
<http://searchenginewatch.com/sereport/article.php/2164611>

To try to find sites linked to yours, either check your server logs,
or you can use google to look for sites linked to yours by entering
link:www.yoursite.example.com as a search term.

Nick

--
Nick Theodorakis
ni**************@hotmail.com
nicholas_theodorakis [at] urmc [dot] rochester [dot] edu

[George]

Thanks for your note.
Is there any way to search in the weblogs? I believe google search
does not give weblogs entries.
link:www.yoursite.example.com does not bring anything. (google has now
done something and the questioned link does not comes up in the search
results)
Why would another search engine/directory come up (the fake link). Is
it likely they may be responsible for google's scam?
George

ni**************@hotmail.com (Nick Theodorakis) wrote in message news:<40***************@netnews.worldnet.att.net>. ..

On 22 Jan 2004 04:37:16 -0800, lg*****@hotmail.com (George) wrote:

[...]

Defining "wicked phrase" will not be of any use as it relates to my
profession.
Imagine that you had a web page with the words "liar", "your surname",
"a" and "is". Then somehow searching with your surname in google you
get a link to another search engine with the link's title being "your
surname is a liar".

Instead, it may be useful to define what is a web page.
Is the search results of a search engine, a web page? I think no.

You said that Yahoo had a directory listing for "email spam". That is
fine but the questionable search engine had no listing for "wicked
phrase". That search engine has a collection of words and phrases
arranged alphabetically and when you click on them you get search
results. "wicked phrase" is not in this collection. However it also
has a box to enter a phrase to search. Searching with "wicked phrase"
in this mentioned search engine is giving a link to my webpage as one
of the results.
(boolean logic of the search is: try to find pages having all the
words in the search phrase but not necessarily as a phrase)
This is similar to searching in yahoo for "email spam" using yahoo's
search box and then searching with google and getting a link to the
previous yahoo's search. This does not happen and common sense says it
should not happen.

A search engine result that someone gets randomly is not a web page
unless is designed as a directory. In which case there are pages with
lists of links under a certain category.

Either "google’s" robot is fooled by someway which I do not have
the background to know, or there is actually a webpage in "yahoo",
which I do not see.

Does anyone guess any scenarios how could this happen? I have read
somethings about hidden text etc but what exactly could be happening
behind this, as I am trying to find who may be responsible.

Perhaps you have been "google-bombed."

See:
<http://www.microcontentnews.com/articles/googlebombs.htm>
<http://searchenginewatch.com/sereport/article.php/2164611>

To try to find sites linked to yours, either check your server logs,
or you can use google to look for sites linked to yours by entering
link:www.yoursite.example.com as a search term.

Nick

[Nick Theodorakis]

On 26 Jan 2004 13:28:33 -0800, lg*****@hotmail.com (George) wrote:

Thanks for your note.
Is there any way to search in the weblogs?

Sure, but the details depend on your webhost. Most offer access to the
raw logs that you can GET by ftp. Many also have a web-based
interfaces to your logs. If they have some kind of technical support,
you should contact them for details.

It might also be worth a try to contact google's tech support about
your problem.

Nick

--
Nick Theodorakis
ni**************@hotmail.com
nicholas_theodorakis [at] urmc [dot] rochester [dot] edu