Please review my website

[Heathen Dawn]

http://www.geocities.com/stmetanat/index.htm

Website in HTML 4.0 with CSS1. Unicode characters used. Tested with
Internet Explorer 6.0, Mozilla 1.3 and Lynx 2.8.3. Designed to be
viewed by any browser, including Lynx. Checked with the W3C validation
service (though the javascript that Geocities affixes to each page
makes it invalid). No frames. HTML coded entirely by hand.

Also article of interest:
Smart Usage of Smart Quotes
http://www.geocities.com/stmetanat/smartquotes.htm

[Philipp Lenssen]

Heathen Dawn wrote:

http://www.geocities.com/stmetanat/index.htm

Website in HTML 4.0 with CSS1. Unicode characters used. Tested with
Internet Explorer 6.0, Mozilla 1.3 and Lynx 2.8.3. Designed to be
viewed by any browser, including Lynx. Checked with the W3C validation
service (though the javascript that Geocities affixes to each page
makes it invalid). No frames. HTML coded entirely by hand.

You should move away from Geocities. It's a very bad neighborhood.
Other than that, I find the white text a bit hard to read.

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[Brian]

Heathen Dawn wrote:

http://www.geocities.com/stmetanat/index.htm

Website in HTML 4.0 with CSS1. Unicode characters used. Tested with
Internet Explorer 6.0, Mozilla 1.3 and Lynx 2.8.3.

White text on pink background is very difficult for me to read.

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Brian
follow the directions in my address to email me

[Harlan Messinger]

"Brian" <us*****@mangymutt.com.invalid-remove-this-part> wrote in message
news:0617b.392389$Ho3.59091@sccrnsc03...

Heathen Dawn wrote:

http://www.geocities.com/stmetanat/index.htm

Website in HTML 4.0 with CSS1. Unicode characters used. Tested with
Internet Explorer 6.0, Mozilla 1.3 and Lynx 2.8.3.

White text on pink background is very difficult for me to read.

Also, won't white text on a colored background disappear when a user tries
to print the page, unless the user has set a browser option to print
background colors?

[Andreas Prilop]

sp*******@writeme.com (Heathen Dawn) wrote:

http://www.geocities.com/stmetanat/index.htm

Do not use <p class="reg"> with Arabic and Hebrew text!

Further tips for RTL scripts:
http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/...direction.html

[Andreas Prilop]

sp*******@writeme.com (Heathen Dawn) wrote:

http://www.geocities.com/stmetanat/index.htm

In your source text, you have
(alqur'ân)
in Arabic letters inside English-language text. This may be displayed,
depending on font size and window size, at the end of a line as
(nâ'ruqla
)

Therefore write
<span dir="rtl" lang="ar">(alqur'ân)</span>
as recommended in
http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/...direction.html
This keeps parentheses together with the word.

[Alan J. Flavell]

On Mon, Sep 8, Andreas Prilop inscribed on the eternal scroll:

Therefore write
<span dir="rtl" lang="ar">(alqur'ân)</span>

Good point: however, I have no idea how to solve the
parentheses which contain a ltr word followed by an rtl word, such as
(if you'll excuse the "ascii art") the example: (Tanakh, werbeH)

If I try to put the Hebrew and its closing parenthesis inside an rtl
span then it - not surprisingly - gets presented as

(Tanakh (werbeH

which is no use. But if I don't, then the linebreak which you talk
about is unavoidable, when it happens to fall at that spot.

cheers

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[Mark Parnell]

Harlan Messinger wrote:

"Brian" <us*****@mangymutt.com.invalid-remove-this-part> wrote in
message news:0617b.392389$Ho3.59091@sccrnsc03...

White text on pink background is very difficult for me to read.

Also, won't white text on a colored background disappear when a user
tries to print the page, unless the user has set a browser option to
print background colors?

Or the author has specified a print stylesheet (or specified that the
stylesheet only applies to medias other than print, e.g.
media="screen,projection").

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http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au

[Alan J. Flavell]

On Tue, Sep 9, Alan J. Flavell inscribed on the eternal scroll:

(if you'll excuse the "ascii art") the example: (Tanakh, werbeH) [...] then the linebreak which you talk
about is unavoidable, when it happens to fall at the closing ")"

^^^^^^^^^^^

Apparently not. If I mark it up thus:

<span dir=ltr>(Tanakh, werbeH)</span>

leaving the characters which are naturally rtl to take care of
themselves, then it seems to "do the right thing" with the closing
parenthesis (I tried on Moz 1.4 and Win IE 6, anyway).

Should have been obvious, now that I think about it. Sorry.

[Heathen Dawn]

Andreas Prilop <nh******@rrzn-user.uni-hannover.de> wrote in message news:<080920032242266937%nh******@rrzn-user.uni-hannover.de>...

Do not use <p class="reg"> with Arabic and Hebrew text!

Why not? And how else am I supposed to justify and marginise the text?

[Andreas Prilop]

On 9 Sep 2003, Heathen Dawn wrote:

Do not use <p class="reg"> with Arabic and Hebrew text!
Why not?

Because the Arabic and Hebrew text comes out left-aligned, ragged-right
in Netscape 7.0. (Don't know why.) Looks really silly.
And how else am I supposed to justify and marginise the text?

You are not supposed to. No justification without hyphenation!
We have *no* reliable way of hyphenation on the web for Latin text.
Therefore "justify" is a nuisance for Latin/Cyrillic/Greek text.
For Arabic and Hebrew, it is nothing but idiotic to try to force
justified text. Leave Arabic and Hebrew text right-aligned, which
is far better readable. To achieve this, it is sufficient to
write <p dir="rtl" lang="ar"> ; you don't need any text style.
Label *all* your text with lang="en" lang="ar" lang="he" ,
even single words with <span>. Mozilla/Netscape will then
apply the preferred typefaces for Arabic and Hebrew chosen by
the user in his browser's prefs.
http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/...ers-fonts.html

[Andreas Prilop]

I wrote:

Therefore write
<span dir="rtl" lang="ar">(alqur'ân)</span>
as recommended in
http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/...direction.html
This keeps parentheses together with the word.

I have prepared a small test document
http://www.unics.uni-hannover.de/nht...rentheses.html
that illustrates this effect. It shows (again) that it is not
sufficient to rely on Unicode's and browsers' line wrapping algorithms.
You need to insert dir="rtl" dir="ltr" into your documents.

[Alan J. Flavell]

On Tue, Sep 9, Andreas Prilop inscribed on the eternal scroll:

I have prepared a small test document
http://www.unics.uni-hannover.de/nht...rentheses.html
that illustrates this effect. It shows (again) that it is not
sufficient to rely on Unicode's and browsers' line wrapping algorithms.
You need to insert dir="rtl" dir="ltr" into your documents.

Good, but you have no examples where the contents of the parenthesis
begins with ltr text and ends with rtl text, such as we could see in
a couple of places in the page that was under discussion.

all the best

[Andreas Prilop]

"Alan J. Flavell" <fl*****@mail.cern.ch> wrote:

http://www.unics.uni-hannover.de/nht...rentheses.html

Good, but you have no examples where the contents of the parenthesis
begins with ltr text and ends with rtl text, such as we could see in
a couple of places in the page that was under discussion.

Here it is:
http://www.unics.uni-hannover.de/nht...entheses2.html

[Andreas Prilop]

"Alan J. Flavell" <fl*****@mail.cern.ch> wrote:

I have prepared a small test document
http://www.unics.uni-hannover.de/nht...rentheses.html

Good, but you have no examples where the contents of the parenthesis
begins with ltr text and ends with rtl text,

This is a bit puzzling - and Mozilla and IE behave differently for such
text. But let's first look at the above example. The two paragraphs
with proper DIR markup should wrap correctly and should allow the
selection of characters with your mouse. In the two paragraphs without
proper DIR markup, the selection behaves erratic.

Any observations with Mozilla 1.4, Opera, other browsers?

[Heathen Dawn]

OK, thank you much, folks. I've taken your comments into hand. I've
cancelled text justification. I've also done away with using tables
for layout, using a DIV with CSS bordering instead. As well, all
non-English text is now encompassed by <SPAN lang="langname"> markup
(also with "dir" when necessary).

I regard myself as an HTML purist, but it's always good to hear from
HTML purists who have been much longer on the scene :-).

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