Formatting HTML Source - Is there a utility?

[just say NO to PDF]

Here's the scoop:

Does anyone remember the UNIX utility "pretty" for formatting C code?

What I'm looking for is a utility that will do two things:
1) Format the HTML code itself to make it more readable (indentation, line
breaks, etc.)
2) Optimize HTML to remove empty and redundant tags

Reason: Have you ever seen what kind of a mess you get when you paste WORD
(or other rich text) into a HTML editor like Front Page? Answer is a "Hello,
World" of about 50KB...

Recognising that the two requirements are somewhat contradictory, I may need
two utilities...are there any free ones available before I do it myself in
PERL?

--Maarten ( we******************@city.richmond.bc.ca )

[John Bokma]

just say NO to PDF wrote:

Here's the scoop:

Does anyone remember the UNIX utility "pretty" for formatting C code?

http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/

John

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[Mike Novak]

"just say NO to PDF" <stingray_67@no_spam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:XK**************@news.bc.tac.net...

Here's the scoop:

Does anyone remember the UNIX utility "pretty" for formatting C code?

What I'm looking for is a utility that will do two things:
1) Format the HTML code itself to make it more readable (indentation, line
breaks, etc.)
2) Optimize HTML to remove empty and redundant tags

Reason: Have you ever seen what kind of a mess you get when you paste WORD
(or other rich text) into a HTML editor like Front Page? Answer is a "Hello, World" of about 50KB...

Recognising that the two requirements are somewhat contradictory, I may need two utilities...are there any free ones available before I do it myself in
PERL?

--Maarten ( we******************@city.richmond.bc.ca )

Try HTML-Kit

http://www.chami.com/html-kit/

[Toby A Inkster]

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:29:31 -0700, just say NO to PDF wrote:

What I'm looking for is a utility that will do two things:
1) Format the HTML code itself to make it more readable (indentation, line
breaks, etc.)
2) Optimize HTML to remove empty and redundant tags
Tidy does both of these. Someone has already posted a link to the old Tidy
site, but the newest versions can be found at http://tidy.sourceforge.net/
Reason: Have you ever seen what kind of a mess you get when you paste WORD
(or other rich text) into a HTML editor like Front Page? Answer is a "Hello,
World" of about 50KB...

Tidy has special routines for dealing with the output of FrontPage, Word,
etc...

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[Michel]

try notepad.

Nothing beats notepad when it comes to web-design....

Michel

"just say NO to PDF" <stingray_67@no_spam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:XK**************@news.bc.tac.net...

Here's the scoop:

Does anyone remember the UNIX utility "pretty" for formatting C code?

What I'm looking for is a utility that will do two things:
1) Format the HTML code itself to make it more readable (indentation, line
breaks, etc.)
2) Optimize HTML to remove empty and redundant tags

Reason: Have you ever seen what kind of a mess you get when you paste WORD
(or other rich text) into a HTML editor like Front Page? Answer is a "Hello, World" of about 50KB...

Recognising that the two requirements are somewhat contradictory, I may need two utilities...are there any free ones available before I do it myself in
PERL?

--Maarten ( we******************@city.richmond.bc.ca )

[kchayka]

John Bokma wrote:

Toby A Inkster wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 00:32:36 +0200, Michel wrote:

Nothing beats notepad when it comes to web-design....

Yeah, it does:

http://www.nedit.org/

Texpad (http://www.textpad.com/ ) is cool too.

Nah, Crimson Editor is better than textpad any day. :)
<URL:http://crimsoneditor.com/>

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[Jim Royal]

In article <bf**********@news.cistron.nl>, Michel
<we*******@handleiding-online-nospam-aub.nl> wrote:

try notepad.

Nothing beats notepad when it comes to web-design....

BBEdit.

'Nuff said.

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[John]

In article <10***************@halkan.kabelfoon.nl>,
po********@castleamber.com says...

Toby A Inkster wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 00:32:36 +0200, Michel wrote:

Nothing beats notepad when it comes to web-design....

Yeah, it does:

http://www.nedit.org/

Nirvana rocks :-)

Texpad (http://www.textpad.com/ ) is cool too. I like the clip library
and the tabbed interface.

John

There are also dandy macros you can add to TextPad, and when you add Tidy
to the Tools menu, what more could you want?

(another) John
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[Arve Bersvendsen]

John Bokma wrote in news:10***************@halkan.kabelfoon.nl:

http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/

Tidy now lives at <URL:http://tidy.sourceforge.net/>

(And for prettyprinting of HTML, there's not much that beats tidy).

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[Lars G. Svensson]

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:29:31 -0700, just say NO to PDF
<stingray_67@no_spam.hotmail.com> wrote:

What I'm looking for is a utility that will do two things:
1) Format the HTML code itself to make it more readable (indentation,
line
breaks, etc.)
2) Optimize HTML to remove empty and redundant tags

JEdit <http://www.jedit.org> with XML/HTML and JTidy plugins. Requires
Java, though.

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[Brian]

kchayka wrote:

Texpad (http://www.textpad.com/ ) is cool too.

That's a new one for me.
Nah, Crimson Editor is better than textpad any day. :)
<URL:http://crimsoneditor.com/>

I tried that. The context highlighting, with different colors, was
great. But I couldn't live w/out my clip libraries in NoteTab, so I
went back. Does Crimson have anything like that?

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[Leonard Blaisdell]

In article <18*************************@canada.com>, no***@nowhere.com wrote:

BBEdit.

'Nuff said.

Amen old Mac buddy! I can't speak for any of the PC world programs, but I
can't imagine a better text editor. What would it do that BBEdit can't?

leo

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[Ian Rastall]

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:36:46 +0200, Stephen Poley <sb*****@xs4all.nl>
wrote:

NoteTab is pretty good - and the Light version is free.

NoteTab Pro is pretty much what my world revolves around. Tidy is
integrated too, which is nice.

Ian
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[Lauri Raittila]

In article <le******************@leosmac.sparks.nv.us>, Leonard Blaisdell
wrote:

What would it do that BBEdit can't?

I don't know. But I bet emacs can do that.

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[Michel]

Exactly my point

And you're the only one yet to see it.

Regards,

Michel

[rf]

"Michel" <we*******@handleiding-online-nospam-aub.nl> wrote in message
news:bf**********@news.cistron.nl...

Exactly my point

What exactly is your point? I don't see the post to which you are replying
to so you particular post is, to me, meaningless.

[Ben M]

> In article <10***************@halkan.kabelfoon.nl>,

po********@castleamber.com says...

Toby A Inkster wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 00:32:36 +0200, Michel wrote:
Nothing beats notepad when it comes to web-design....
Yeah, it does:

http://www.nedit.org/

Nirvana rocks :-)

Texpad (http://www.textpad.com/ ) is cool too. I like the clip
library and the tabbed interface.

John

There are also dandy macros you can add to TextPad, and when you add
Tidy to the Tools menu, what more could you want?

Completely agree, textpad is my favourite text editor.
I use it for XHTML with all my clip libraries and added tools, it's great.

I often use macros to escape all the text etc, very nice.

Also really good for C# as well, so my ASP.Net development speeds along.

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[Lauri Raittila]

In article <bf**********@news.cistron.nl>, Michel wrote:

Exactly my point
You said:
Nothing beats notepad when it comes to web-design....
And you're the only one yet to see it.

Well, who is familiar with notepad? It misses all things I am used in
text editors. I had to use Notepad for few hours one day not long back as
TheGun didn't work. It was useless. It don't understand unix line breaks,
for example. That alone makes it very bad for web design, where most
files do have unix file breaks.
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[Darin McGrew]

Lauri Raittila <la***@raittila.cjb.net> wrote:

I don't know. But I bet emacs can do that.

But vi can do it better! (Sorry, I couldn't resist... :-)
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[John Bokma]

Arve Bersvendsen wrote:

John Bokma wrote in news:10***************@halkan.kabelfoon.nl:

http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/

Tidy now lives at <URL:http://tidy.sourceforge.net/>

Thanks! I noticed that when I followed the link mentioned there.
(And for prettyprinting of HTML, there's not much that beats tidy).

Haven't tried it yet. Since I handcode, I try to learn to pretty print
it myself :-) But I am going to compare soon, maybe it can give me some
advise :-).

John

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[John Bokma]

Brian wrote:

kchayka wrote:

Texpad (http://www.textpad.com/ ) is cool too.

That's a new one for me.

And has clip libraries.

John

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[Jacqui or (maybe) Pete]

In article <$c**************@pigsonthewing.org.uk>, usenet200305
@pigsonthewing.org.uk says...

In message <10***************@halkan.kabelfoon.nl>, John Bokma
<po********@castleamber.com> writes

Does anyone remember the UNIX utility "pretty" for formatting C
code?

http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/tidy/

Does anyone know of a Windows equivalent?

There are windows builds of tidy, eg:

http://tidy.sourceforge.net/trt/tidy_win32.zip

It can be integrated (or comes as standard with) htmlkit, notetab, emacs
- see:

http://tidy.sourceforge.net/#binaries

And then there's the web interface at http://infohound.net/tidy/

[Michael Stemper]

In article <3F**************@bigfoot.com>, "Nicolai P. Zwar" <NP****@bigfoot.com> writes:

I tend to agree, though I would go with an editor specialized in HTML,
such as CoffeeCup or FirtPage, the reason being that those tools color
code the source code as you write it, which makes it easier to use and
even newbies can spot unclosed tags etc. right away. Notepad is far too
simple to be of any use unless you really want to make it hard on
yourself. It doesn't even have a line counter.

I'm puzzled by this last remark. How would having a line counter help
somebody write HTML? I don't see the relationship. (I'm not a Notepad
partisan, I use vi.)

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[Steve Pugh]

Michael Stemper <ms******@siemens-emis.com> wrote:

In article <3F**************@bigfoot.com>, "Nicolai P. Zwar" <NP****@bigfoot.com> writes:

Notepad is far too simple to be of any use unless you really want
to make it hard on yourself. It doesn't even have a line counter.

I'm puzzled by this last remark. How would having a line counter help
somebody write HTML? I don't see the relationship.

Just one reason would be that the error reports (from a validator, or
even JavaScript errors from browsers) usually give the line number
that contains the code that caused the error.

Much easier to fix the error quickly if you can go straight to the
correct line.

Steve

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[PC]

You might like to try the BestAddress HTML editor (
http://www.mmaus.com/bestaddress.html ) - it has a line counter,
doesn't cost much and has loads of features.

Steve Pugh <st***@pugh.net> wrote in message news:<tq********************************@4ax.com>. ..

Michael Stemper <ms******@siemens-emis.com> wrote:

In article <3F**************@bigfoot.com>, "Nicolai P. Zwar" <NP****@bigfoot.com> writes:

Notepad is far too simple to be of any use unless you really want
to make it hard on yourself. It doesn't even have a line counter.

I'm puzzled by this last remark. How would having a line counter help
somebody write HTML? I don't see the relationship.

Just one reason would be that the error reports (from a validator, or
even JavaScript errors from browsers) usually give the line number
that contains the code that caused the error.

Much easier to fix the error quickly if you can go straight to the
correct line.

Steve

[Lauri Raittila]

In article <28**************************@posting.google.com >, PC wrote:

You might like to try the BestAddress HTML editor (
http://www.mmaus.com/bestaddress.html ) - it has a line counter,
doesn't cost much and has loads of features.

If editor is not free, it must be very good?

It has "in-built Source Securing capabilities"
that should say enaugh about quality.

Seems stupid to put money on shit

It's tutorials:
http://www.mmaus.com/developer.html

And, no, there is no list of features anywhere. But the ones it mentions
aren't anyhow rare.

I can't see how HTML eidtor made by idiots would be good choise?
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[Nick Kew]

In article <tq********************************@4ax.com>, one of infinite monkeys
at the keyboard of Steve Pugh <st***@pugh.net> wrote:

Much easier to fix the error quickly if you can go straight to the
correct line.

OK, what editor *doesn't* support that?

Or perhaps I should rephrase that: how many editors require you to jump
through hoops - like using a mouse or repeatedly using cursor controls -
to go to a particular line? I'd find such an editor tedious to use.

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[Steve Pugh]

ni**@fenris.webthing.com (Nick Kew) wrote:

In article <tq********************************@4ax.com>, one of infinite monkeys
at the keyboard of Steve Pugh <st***@pugh.net> wrote:

Much easier to fix the error quickly if you can go straight to the
correct line.
OK, what editor *doesn't* support that?

Notepad of course.
Or perhaps I should rephrase that: how many editors require you to jump
through hoops - like using a mouse or repeatedly using cursor controls -
to go to a particular line? I'd find such an editor tedious to use.

Yup.

Steve

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[Steven]

"Michel" <we*******@handleiding-online-nospam-aub.nl> schreef in bericht
news:bf**********@news.cistron.nl...

try notepad.

Nothing beats notepad when it comes to web-design....

Michel

not even edlin?

[Mike Albrecht]

Steven wrote:

"Michel" <we*******@handleiding-online-nospam-aub.nl> schreef in bericht
news:bf**********@news.cistron.nl...

try notepad.

Nothing beats notepad when it comes to web-design....

Michel

not even edlin?

NoteTab Pro by Fookes Software is wonderful and you can integrate
HTMLTidy into it if you want. There is a free version but the reasonably
priced Pro version is superior for HTML editing. (BTW: I am not
associated with Fookes Software in any way - just a very satisfied user.)

Mike

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[Brian]

Mike Albrecht wrote:

NoteTab Pro by Fookes Software is wonderful and you can integrate
HTMLTidy into it if you want. There is a free version but the reasonably
priced Pro version is superior for HTML editing.

In what way is the pro version better? I use the free version, and the
only thing I can think of that would be nice is syntax color highlighting.

Since this an authoring tools question, x-posted, f'ups set.

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