Validating against a higher standard

[Michael Stemper]

The W3C Validator is a great help, as far as it goes. However, I'm looking
for something stricter. My coding style does not allow for implicit
termination of an element; my intention and desire is to explicitly
terminate every element.

Just last night, it took me two hours to track down some funny behavior. It
turned out to be caused by entries in a definition list that looked like:
<dt>Term<dt>
<dd>Definition</dd>

A few years back, I was bit by Mosaic's behavior when <tdelements
weren't explictly terminated with a </td>.

It takes good eyesight and good concentration to find things like this,
and since these are apparently valid html, the W3C validator doesn't
help as much as I'd like.

Is there a tool available someplace that will flag failure to explictly
terminate elements that aren't required by the standard to be explicitly
terminated?

--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
If it's "tourist season", where do I get my license?

[Albert Wiersch]

"John Dunlop" <jo**@dunlop.namewrote in message
news:33**********************************@d77g2000 hsb.googlegroups.com...

>
Yes, but if I use the contact form, I can't use my mail user-agent to
compose my e-mail or keep a copy of the e-mail I send.

OK, I've changed the alt text to "support at htmlvalidator dot com". That
should be better while still providing me with some spam protection.

--
Albert Wiersch

[Adrienne Boswell]

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed "Albert Wiersch"
<no****@nospam.comwriting in
news:zL*******************@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com:

>
<[e-mail] in message
news:xe*********************@giganews.com...

>>
When have you ever IN A NEWSGROUP POST pointed out a product
that wasn't yours?

First, this is a silly discussion.

[http://www.davidpbrown.co.uk/jokes/m...n-parrot.html]

Second, I don't keep a record of
every newsgroup post I've made, but I have definitely recommended
other products whenever I thought it would be helpful and appropriate.
I'm not going to "entertain" this discussion any further. :-)

You don't have to keep a record of every newsgroup post - Google Groups
does that for you - and people like me can go look it up. Hmmm, let's
see, [http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...afe=off&num=50
&q=author%3A+albert+wiersch&safe=off&qt_s=Search&a s_drrb=b&as_mind=1
&as_minm=1&as_miny=2004&as_maxd=14&as_maxm=9&as_ma xy=2008] or
[http://tinyurl.com/6z3rfs] - 57 messages with your name on them and
none of them recommend anything but this program.
--
Adrienne Boswell at Home
Arbpen Web Site Design Services
http://www.cavalcade-of-coding.info
Please respond to the group so others can share

[dorayme]

In article <Xn****************************@69.16.185.247>,
Adrienne Boswell <ar****@yahoo.comwrote:

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed "Albert Wiersch"
<no****@nospam.comwriting in
news:zL*******************@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com:

<[e-mail] in message
news:xe*********************@giganews.com...

>
When have you ever IN A NEWSGROUP POST pointed out a product
that wasn't yours?

First, this is a silly discussion.

[http://www.davidpbrown.co.uk/jokes/m...n-parrot.html]

Second, I don't keep a record of
every newsgroup post I've made, but I have definitely recommended
other products whenever I thought it would be helpful and appropriate.
I'm not going to "entertain" this discussion any further. :-)

You don't have to keep a record of every newsgroup post - Google Groups
does that for you - and people like me can go look it up.

How sure are you that your GG search gets all the posts by Albert? I
doubt if it is so perfect.

And it simply does not take into account many factors like he might have
posted under another name, No, not because he is dishonest or a
disgusting coward (like me) but maybe for a noble reason like that he
was being tracked by the Russians at some stage for working to keep
America safe from those commies and he had to go under cover for a short
while and while under there, he could not resist helping others with
advice about programs because of the softness of his heart...

--
dorayme

[Adrienne Boswell]

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed dorayme
<do************@optusnet.com.auwriting in news:doraymeRidThis-
FA*******************@web.aioe.org:

In article <Xn****************************@69.16.185.247>,
Adrienne Boswell <ar****@yahoo.comwrote:

>Gazing into my crystal ball I observed "Albert Wiersch"
<no****@nospam.comwriting in
news:zL*******************@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com:

>
<[e-mail] in message
news:xe*********************@giganews.com...

When have you ever IN A NEWSGROUP POST pointed out a product
that wasn't yours?

First, this is a silly discussion.

[http://www.davidpbrown.co.uk/jokes/m...n-parrot.html]

Second, I don't keep a record of
every newsgroup post I've made, but I have definitely recommended
other products whenever I thought it would be helpful and

appropriate.

I'm not going to "entertain" this discussion any further. :-)

You don't have to keep a record of every newsgroup post - Google

Groups

>does that for you - and people like me can go look it up.

How sure are you that your GG search gets all the posts by Albert? I
doubt if it is so perfect.

And it simply does not take into account many factors like he might

have

posted under another name, No, not because he is dishonest or a
disgusting coward (like me) but maybe for a noble reason like that he
was being tracked by the Russians at some stage for working to keep
America safe from those commies and he had to go under cover for a

short

while and while under there, he could not resist helping others with
advice about programs because of the softness of his heart...

I love reading your posts in the morning, makes my day. Thank you.

--
Adrienne Boswell at Home
Arbpen Web Site Design Services
http://www.cavalcade-of-coding.info
Please respond to the group so others can share

[Albert Wiersch]

"dorayme" <do************@optusnet.com.auwrote in message
news:do**********************************@web.aioe .org...

>
How sure are you that your GG search gets all the posts by Albert? I
doubt if it is so perfect.

Or maybe because I posted the recommendations on private newsservers, or
recommended them at other places like a website or forum forum... or in
person face to face...

Albert Wiersch

[Jonathan N. Little]

Albert Wiersch wrote:

"dorayme" <do************@optusnet.com.auwrote in message
news:do**********************************@web.aioe .org...

>How sure are you that your GG search gets all the posts by Albert? I
doubt if it is so perfect.

Or maybe because I posted the recommendations on private newsservers, or
recommended them at other places like a website or forum forum... or in
person face to face...

Albert Wiersch

Or maybe you mumble it in your sleep, it is really in material. Take it
for what it is, *your* product that *you're* selling, so your
"recommendations" have a clear economic bias regardless of the products
merits. All should be aware of your bias and one could say your posts
are not more than SPAM

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

[Blinky the Shark]

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Albert Wiersch wrote:

>"dorayme" <do************@optusnet.com.auwrote in message
news:do**********************************@web.aio e.org...

>>How sure are you that your GG search gets all the posts by Albert? I
doubt if it is so perfect.

Or maybe because I posted the recommendations on private newsservers, or
recommended them at other places like a website or forum forum... or in
person face to face...

Albert Wiersch

Or maybe you mumble it in your sleep, it is really in material.

immaterial?
--
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Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html

[Albert Wiersch]

"Jonathan N. Little" <lw*****@central.netwrote in message
news:80***************************@NAXS.COM...

>
Or maybe you mumble it in your sleep, it is really in material.

Yes, it is a silly discussion.

Take it for what it is, *your* product that *you're* selling, so your
"recommendations" have a clear economic bias regardless of the products
merits.

Which is why I have no problem with people trying out CSE HTML Validator for
themselves and making their own decisions as to whether CSE HTML Validator
is useful to them. They don't have to "take my word on it". I welcome and
invite everyone to try out the program before they buy it and make their own
decisions based on how useful it is to them, and not solely on what I say
about it. I am simply bringing to people's attention that CSE HTML Validator
exists and is there for anyone who wants to check it out for themselves.

If I was looking for a solution to a problem, then I'd welcome anyone's
suggestion and then I would do further research on the suggestions to
evaluate what was my best option.

Albert Wiersch

[Jonathan N. Little]

Blinky the Shark wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

>Albert Wiersch wrote:

>>"dorayme" <do************@optusnet.com.auwrote in message
news:do**********************************@web.ai oe.org...
How sure are you that your GG search gets all the posts by Albert? I
doubt if it is so perfect.
Or maybe because I posted the recommendations on private newsservers, or
recommended them at other places like a website or forum forum... or in
person face to face...

Albert Wiersch

Or maybe you mumble it in your sleep, it is really in material.

immaterial?

Yes fat-fingered again....Thank Blink but I am sure the message will
still not be received.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

[Jukka K. Korpela]

Albert Wiersch wrote:

If I was looking for a solution to a problem, then I'd welcome
anyone's suggestion

Sounds very unproductive, since that includes listening to the suggestions
of people who are quite ignorant of the issue at hand. It seems that you
would buy the snake oil you are selling, or you pretend you would.

--
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

[dorayme]

In article <Xn****************************@69.16.185.250>,
Adrienne Boswell <ar****@yahoo.comwrote:

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed dorayme

....

>
I love reading your posts in the morning, makes my day. Thank you.

Because of the time differences, you are quite likely witnessing me in
sit-down comic mood trying to laugh myself to sleep so I have funny
dreams...

--
dorayme

[dorayme]

In article <Ni******************@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com>,
"Albert Wiersch" <no****@nospam.comwrote:

"dorayme" <do************@optusnet.com.auwrote in message
news:do**********************************@web.aioe .org...

How sure are you that your GG search gets all the posts by Albert? I
doubt if it is so perfect.

Or maybe because I posted the recommendations on private newsservers, or
recommended them at other places like a website or forum forum... or in
person face to face...

Albert Wiersch

O Albert, it's ok, I had that one covered too. Trust me, this is a war
to defend your honour and character and I have strategic reasons to keep
some of the ammo dry...

--
dorayme

[dorayme]

In article <80***************************@NAXS.COM>,
"Jonathan N. Little" <lw*****@central.netwrote:

All should be aware of your bias and one could say your posts
are not more than SPAM

One can say a lot of things. That does not make them true. Albert's
posts are not *much* like spam at all.

For a start, what spammer stands up trying to defend himself against
gang powered personal insults and defamation of his character in such an
open and gentlemanly way?

But let us not get into details here again, let us observe something
extremely useful and general, let us call it DD:

Everything is a bit like everything else.

Now it is silly in the extreme to make *this* the basis of objective
comparison between two things. And this is doubly so for one such as
yourself who is part of a very dangerous gang, many members of which use
their real names, that has charged at poor Albert at every opportunity.

Please try to be more reasonable.

--
Take Care

--
dorayme

[Blinky the Shark]

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Blinky the Shark wrote:

>Jonathan N. Little wrote:

>>Albert Wiersch wrote:
"dorayme" <do************@optusnet.com.auwrote in message
news:do**********************************@web.a ioe.org...
How sure are you that your GG search gets all the posts by Albert? I
doubt if it is so perfect.
Or maybe because I posted the recommendations on private newsservers, or
recommended them at other places like a website or forum forum... or in
person face to face...

Albert Wiersch
Or maybe you mumble it in your sleep, it is really in material.

immaterial?

Yes fat-fingered again....Thank Blink but I am sure the message will
still not be received.

Sometimes people *mishear* a word or phrase, and then use the misheard
version. My post was just a heads-up for the very slight possibility that
that was the case - rather than a typo - with your expression.

Example: "cut off his nose to spite his face" / "cut off his nose
despite his face".
--
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Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html

[dk_sz]

Quite some marketing strategy you have - selling fake products in a

discussion groups where experts regularly reveal your lies.

OMG ...

So suggesting a product (that is one of the best,
oldest and well-known of its kind.) to a poster
asking for *alternatives* to W3C is now bad?

best regards
Thomas Schulz

[Lars Eighner]

In our last episode, <48***********************@dtext02.news.tele.dk> , the
lovely and talented dk_sz broadcast on comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html:

>Quite some marketing strategy you have - selling fake products in a
discussion groups where experts regularly reveal your lies.

OMG ...

So suggesting a product (that is one of the best,
oldest and well-known of its kind.) to a poster
asking for *alternatives* to W3C is now bad?

Trying to palm something off as a validator when it is not a validator is
bad as misrepresenting products has always been bad. W3C doesn't have the
only SGML parser in the world, but this vendor does not have one of the
others.

--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/us****@larseighner.com
War on Terrorism: Camp Follower
"I am ... a total sucker for the guys ... with all the ribbons on and stuff,
and they say it's true and I'm ready to believe it. -Cokie Roberts,_ABC_

[dk_sz]

Trying to palm something off as a validator when it is not a validator is

bad as misrepresenting products has always been bad. W3C doesn't have the

Original poster asked:

"terminate elements that aren't required by
the standard to be explicitly terminated?"

i.e. something alternative.
I also believe the word "validator" can be used in the
general sense of testing of something is "good" ...
Not necessarily SGML valid.

Please also consider Albert's product is from 1997 where
perhaps the "validator" usage you use was not as common.

(I just verified with WebArchive.org -- I did recall
CSE was old, but was not sure if it was pre 1998 or not)

--
best regards
Thomas Schulz :: A1 Sitemap Generator
http://www.micro-sys.dk/products/sitemap-generator/

[dorayme]

In article <sl********************@debranded.larseighner.com> ,
Lars Eighner <us****@larseighner.comwrote:

W3C doesn't have the
only SGML parser in the world, but this vendor does not have one of the
others.

So he includes one that should be mentioned by you but this would be to
give him the slightest credit and being the devil he is, you are
certainly not going to do that eh?

--
dorayme

[Rick Merrill]

Michael Stemper wrote:

The W3C Validator is a great help, as far as it goes. ...

Unfortunately a lot of people CLAIN to use the validator
but their site FAILS!

http://www.adaptiveaccess.com/grab_bars_shower_tub.php

for example, is a miserable failure, yet they put on
the icons say that it conforms!

There ought to be a way to hold the site sponsor or
the site developer responsible for such errors/falsehoods.

[Jonathan N. Little]

Rick Merrill wrote:

Michael Stemper wrote:

>The W3C Validator is a great help, as far as it goes. ...

Unfortunately a lot of people CLAIN to use the validator
but their site FAILS!

http://www.adaptiveaccess.com/grab_bars_shower_tub.php

for example, is a miserable failure, yet they put on
the icons say that it conforms!

There ought to be a way to hold the site sponsor or
the site developer responsible for such errors/falsehoods.

Also an example of someone with neither a compelling need for nor
understanding of XHTML...

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

[Michael Stemper]

In article <pa****************************@thurston.blinkynet .net>, Blinky the Shark <no*****@box.invalidwrites:

>Sometimes people *mishear* a word or phrase, and then use the misheard
version. My post was just a heads-up for the very slight possibility that
that was the case - rather than a typo - with your expression.

Example: "cut off his nose to spite his face" / "cut off his nose
despite his face".

I came across a real gem a few months back, but don't recall what
newsgroup it was in: "... for all intensive purposes". Presumably,
the poster meant "... for all intents and purposes".

--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.

[Blinky the Shark]

Michael Stemper wrote:

In article <pa****************************@thurston.blinkynet .net>, Blinky the Shark <no*****@box.invalidwrites:

>>Sometimes people *mishear* a word or phrase, and then use the misheard
version. My post was just a heads-up for the very slight possibility that
that was the case - rather than a typo - with your expression.

Example: "cut off his nose to spite his face" / "cut off his nose
despite his face".

I came across a real gem a few months back, but don't recall what
newsgroup it was in: "... for all intensive purposes". Presumably,
the poster meant "... for all intents and purposes".

Yeah, I've seen that one before, too.
--
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Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
Need a new news feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html

[John Dunlop]

Michael Stemper:

I came across a real gem a few months back, but don't recall what
newsgroup it was in: "... for all intensive purposes". Presumably,
the poster meant "... for all intents and purposes".

This, and over 600 more, are recorded in the Eggcorn Database:

http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/

--
Jock

[Rick Merrill]

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Rick Merrill wrote:

>Michael Stemper wrote:

>>The W3C Validator is a great help, as far as it goes. ...

Unfortunately a lot of people CLAIN to use the validator
but their site FAILS!

http://www.adaptiveaccess.com/grab_bars_shower_tub.php

for example, is a miserable failure, yet they put on
the icons say that it conforms!

There ought to be a way to hold the site sponsor or
the site developer responsible for such errors/falsehoods.

Also an example of someone with neither a compelling need for nor
understanding of XHTML...

Did you mean me or the web developer? I have written to the web site
owner showing him how to validate what his hired site developer has done
and he has replied, "my developer says all is well."

[Jonathan N. Little]

Rick Merrill wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

>Rick Merrill wrote:

>>Michael Stemper wrote:
The W3C Validator is a great help, as far as it goes. ...

Unfortunately a lot of people CLAIN to use the validator
but their site FAILS!

http://www.adaptiveaccess.com/grab_bars_shower_tub.php

for example, is a miserable failure, yet they put on
the icons say that it conforms!

There ought to be a way to hold the site sponsor or
the site developer responsible for such errors/falsehoods.

Also an example of someone with neither a compelling need for nor
understanding of XHTML...

Did you mean me or the web developer? I have written to the web site
owner showing him how to validate what his hired site developer has done
and he has replied, "my developer says all is well."

Time for a different developer

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

[Rick Merrill]

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Rick Merrill wrote:

>Jonathan N. Little wrote:

>>Rick Merrill wrote:
Michael Stemper wrote:
The W3C Validator is a great help, as far as it goes. ...

Unfortunately a lot of people CLAIN to use the validator
but their site FAILS!

http://www.adaptiveaccess.com/grab_bars_shower_tub.php

for example, is a miserable failure, yet they put on
the icons say that it conforms!

There ought to be a way to hold the site sponsor or
the site developer responsible for such errors/falsehoods.
Also an example of someone with neither a compelling need for nor
understanding of XHTML...

Did you mean me or the web developer? I have written to the web site
owner showing him how to validate what his hired site developer has
done and he has replied, "my developer says all is well."

Time for a different developer

could beee! But tell me, is there something about ".php" that is
different?

Even
http://www.php.net/
fails to validate, but I'm not so concerned about that one as I am
annoyed by www.adaptiveaccess.com/grab_bars_shower_tub.php which
Claims to validate, but has over 300 errors/warnings.

[Jonathan N. Little]

Rick Merrill wrote:

could beee! But tell me, is there something about ".php" that is
different?

Not use what you mean. PHP is just a server-side scrip0ting language ,
you can use is the make HTML or XHTML, valid on invalid! Same as with
Perl, Python, Coldfusion, APS.Net...

Now if you're code to generate *HTML*, PHP functions like nl2br() uses
*XHTML* syntax '<br />' so I use a custom function. Perl's CGI.pm is
default *XHTML* but can be easily set to generate valid *HTML* syntax.
You just have to know and understand what you are doing!

>
Even
http://www.php.net/

It has just two small errors that could be easily corrected. One
forgetting to encode '&' and the other the deprecated TARGET on a link...

http://validator.w3.org/check?verbos...www.php.net%2F
[Invalid] Markup Validation of http://www.php.net/ - W3C Markup Validator

fails to validate, but I'm not so concerned about that one as I am
annoyed by www.adaptiveaccess.com/grab_bars_shower_tub.php which
Claims to validate, but has over 300 errors/warnings.

http://www.adaptiveaccess.com/grab_bars_shower_tub.php
Bathroom Grab Bars - Shower and Bathtub - Adaptive Access

This site has more glaring errors and seems that there is no good reason
for XHTML and that developer did not know the difference between XHTML &
HTML. Some will say here, and maybe rightly so, that seeing the W3C
logos is a sign of a clueless developer, because if they know what they
are doing they not need to try and convince people that they write valid
markup!
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Take care,

Jonathan
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http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com