I have been running tests on various doctypes and
found something interesting.
I set up a test page using this doctype...
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0 Strict Level 1//EN">
....and put this in the head:
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://www.example.com/test.css">
The page failed the W3C validator. Changing the above to...
<link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.example.com/test.css">
....allowed the page to validate.
I already tell the browser what type of document test.css
is in my .htaccess file:
AddType 'text/css; charset=US-ASCII' .css
AddCharset US-ASCII .css
AddLanguage en-US .css
I repeated the test with HTML 4.01 strict and XHTML 1.1
pages (making the other changes needed) and it still validated.
Other than the usual Internet Explorer choking on XHTML 1.1
served as application/xhtml+xml, the HTML 2.0, HTML 4.01 strict
and the XHTML 1.1 test pages are all following the directives
in the CSS file just fine. The only quirk I found was that the
W3C CSS Validator couldn't find the CSS from the HTML/XHTML
file (but it validated when I pointed it at the CSS file).
Is there any good reason why that type="text/css" is found
in every example of using an extenal CSS that I can find?
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Guy Macon wrote:
I have been running tests on various doctypes and
found something interesting.
I set up a test page using this doctype...
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0 Strict Level 1//EN">
...and put this in the head:
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://www.example.com/test.css">
The page failed the W3C validator.
Because HTML 2.0 didn't support the type attribute. No problem there, right?
Changing the above to...
<link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.example.com/test.css">
...allowed the page to validate.
Sure.
>
I already tell the browser what type of document test.css
is in my .htaccess file:
AddType 'text/css; charset=US-ASCII' .css
AddCharset US-ASCII .css
AddLanguage en-US .css
Fascinating, perhaps, but wholly unrelated to HTML validity.
>
I repeated the test with HTML 4.01 strict and XHTML 1.1
pages (making the other changes needed) and it still validated.
The type="text/css" is required for embedded style information as per http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present....html#h-14.2.3. For external
style sheets, the requirement is not so clear, but perhaps you will be
satisfied with the text (second bulleted item) at http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present...fying-external ,
in case you haven't read it already?
"This allows the user agent to avoid downloading a style sheet for an
unsupported style sheet language."
I have no idea what other languages a stzle sheet might be in. Klingon?
[...]
Is there any good reason why that type="text/css" is found
in every example of using an extenal CSS that I can find?
>
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Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/>
Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/>
You know, this really annoys me every time I see you do it.
--
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Trying to be a nice guy, if I may use that expression.
In article <48**********@news.bluewin.ch>,
John Hosking <Jo**@DELETE.Hosking.name.INVALIDwrote:
Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/>
Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/>
Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/>
Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/>
You know, this really annoys me every time I see you do it.
Me too but in addition, put it down to bias, I would be as annoyed if he
didn't.
--
dorayme
John Hosking wrote:
>
Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/wrote:
>I already tell the browser what type of document test.css
is in my .htaccess file:
AddType 'text/css; charset=US-ASCII' .css
AddCharset US-ASCII .css
AddLanguage en-US .css
Fascinating, perhaps, but wholly unrelated to HTML validity.
I believe that it is related to HTML validity. From: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present....html#h-14.2.1
|
|Authors must specify the style sheet language of style
|information associated with an HTML document.
|
|...
|
|The default style sheet language may also be set with HTTP
|headers. The above META declaration is equivalent to the
|HTTP header:
|
|Content-Style-Type: text/css
|
....which is, of course what putting
AddType 'text/css; .css
in the .htaccess file does on Apache servers.
My take on this (and, it seems, the take of the authors of the
DTD that the w3C HTML Validator uses for HTML 4.01 Strict) is
that the requirement is to specify that the style sheet is
text/css before the browser downloads it. This can be (and
usually is) done with [ type="text/css" ] in the link in the
HTML docoment that calls the external style sheet, but it looks
tp me that specifing that the style sheet is text/css by serving
the stylesheet with a [ Content-Style-Type: text/css ] HTTP
header is also valid.
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Installing kidney...10...20...30...40...50...60...70...
"ERROR 31337: Insufficient space
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to create additional organ space?"
[OK]
On 25 Jul, 07:06, Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/wrote:
John Hosking wrote:
Fascinating, perhaps, but wholly unrelated to HTML validity.
I believe that it is related to HTML validity. From:http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present....html#h-14.2.1
Why does a W3C rec for HTML _4.01_ influence what's valid in HTML
_2.0_ ?
On Jul 24, 11:06*pm, dorayme <doraymeRidT...@optusnet.com.auwrote:
You know, this really annoys me every time I see you do it.
Me too but in addition, put it down to bias, I would be as annoyed if he
didn't.
Man I guess my new thing is not going to please you either... But
mine is more an experiment.
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Scripsit Guy Macon:
--
(This .sig is best displayed with a non-proportional
monotype font such as Courier with word wrap disabled)
You were already warned about irritating sigs, and you are just making
them worse. This seems to be consistent with the lack of relevant
content and the presence of chaotic structure in your messages proper.
Thank you for making it clear that your future postings should be
ignored. Please keep using the same forged From field until you have a
clue. Thank you in advance.
--
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Guy Macon wrote:
John Hosking wrote:
>Guy Macon wrote:
>>I already tell the browser what type of document test.css
is in my .htaccess file:
AddType 'text/css; charset=US-ASCII' .css
AddCharset US-ASCII .css
AddLanguage en-US .css
Fascinating, perhaps, but wholly unrelated to HTML validity.
I believe that it is related to HTML validity. From:
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present....html#h-14.2.1
|
|Authors must specify the style sheet language of style
|information associated with an HTML document.
|
|...
|
|The default style sheet language may also be set with HTTP
|headers. The above META declaration is equivalent to the
|HTTP header:
|
|Content-Style-Type: text/css
|
Okay, I see your point. I was trying to say that the HTML itself is
unaware what might be in the .htaccess file and doesn't know or care
even what headers are sent. The HMTL parser has to know the encoding of
the HTML document, but won't otherwise care about headers or Apache
configurations. The CSS file has to be locatable and readable when it
comes time to *render*, but the HTML and its parsing are separate.
But I see that the W3C doc you point to has a bit of a leak in it.
Ostensibly describing what's in an HTML document and what it means, it
starts pointing outside the document at HTTP headers (and their
lieutenants, the META declarations).
So whatever the limitations of the validator[1], if you've declared a
default style sheet language[2] via any legal method, you're in good shape.
[1] Did you say you got valid results for HTML 4.01 strict served
without the [ type="text/css" ] in the link and without the [ AddType
'text/css; .css ] in the .htaccess file? That is, without *any*
declaration of the type?
[2] 'Ts hardly a language, is it?
>
...
--
Thanks for fixing your delimiter. I had to do some work to quote your
sig. :-)
>
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The Microsoft Transplant Wizard is preparing your body
for the installation of a new kidney. Please wait...
Do you wish to make a backup copy of your existing kidney? [Y/N]
Installing kidney...10...20...30...40...50...60...70...
"ERROR 31337: Insufficient space
in abdominal cavity. Delete liver
to create additional organ space?"
[OK]
Longer, but funnier. From my experience, I'd expect that when one clicks
"OK", another dialog comes up that says
Deleting liver can cause problems and lead to system instability.
Are you sure you want to delete liver, or do you want to abort the
deletion (recommended)?
[Yes] [No] [Cancel]
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My funny .sig is in the shop for maintenance.
"Jukka K. Korpela" <jk******@cs.tut.fiwrote:
>You were already warned about irritating sigs, and you are just making
them worse. This seems to be consistent with the lack of relevant
content and the presence of chaotic structure in your messages proper.
Thank you for making it clear that your future postings should be
ignored. Please keep using the same forged From field until you have a
clue. Thank you in advance.
That time of month, is it?
Here's a dime, Jukka; go buy yourself a *real* newsreader. One that can be
configured to not display sigs that are proberly delimited with the pattern
"-- " on a line by itself.
>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express
What an idiot you are. Using the worst possible news reader and then flaming
others because it cannot trim sigs. Moron.
Travis Newbury wrote:
>>Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/wrote:
>--
(This .sig is best displayed with a non-proportional
monotype font such as Courier with word wrap disabled)
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Well that looks like hell...
He forgot the "Best viewed on a 24 inch monitor with your newsreader
maximized" disclaimer.
The Troll Whisperer <Troll,Wh*******@TrollTech.invalidwrote:
>
"Jukka K. Korpela" <jk******@cs.tut.fiwrote:
>>You were already warned about irritating sigs, and you are just making
them worse. This seems to be consistent with the lack of relevant
content and the presence of chaotic structure in your messages proper.
Thank you for making it clear that your future postings should be
ignored. Please keep using the same forged From field until you have a
clue. Thank you in advance.
That time of month, is it?
Here's a dime, Jukka; go buy yourself a *real* newsreader. One that can be
configured to not display sigs that are proberly delimited with the pattern
"-- " on a line by itself.
>>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express
What an idiot you are. Using the worst possible news reader and then flaming
others because it cannot trim sigs. Moron.
I guess I must be the idiot...my newsreader, Agent, displays sigs after '--
' unless, like all newsreaders, I'm responding to the message with the sig.
Wait...that's what it's supposed to do. It's not supposed to tamper with or
edit the incoming message. Oops! I called the wrong guy an idiot. ;-)
--
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The Troll Whisperer wrote:
>Here's a dime, Jukka; go buy yourself a *real* newsreader. One that can be
configured to not display sigs that are proberly delimited with the pattern
"-- " on a line by itself.
>>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express
What an idiot you are. Using the worst possible news reader and then flaming
others because it cannot trim sigs. Moron.
To be fair, I did fail to have the proper "-- " delimiter on at least
one post -- a typo when I cut and pasted. Sorry about that.
I do agree, however, that those who object strongly to certain sigs
(and who lack the sense of humor to recognize the difference between
a regular sig and a one-time intentonal flouting of the rules in an
attempt at lighthearted humor) would be well-advised to drop Microsoft
Outlook Express and get a newsreader that has the option to not
display sigs.
--
Note to the humor impaired; Long sig used as a joke during
a discussion of long sigs. Normal sig will terurn soon.
ASCII-art stereograms:
Here are two ASCII stereograms. View with a monospace font.
To see the 3d effect, you need to focus your eyes such that
the two adjacent "X" characters at the top look like three.
Once you've done that, wait a few moments for your eyes to
get used to it, then slowly look down at the rest of the image.
Sometimes it helps to print out the pattern and look at that.
X X
.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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p p p p p p p p p p p p p p t t
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m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m
a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a
c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c
o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o
n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n
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m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m
/ / / / / / / / / / / / / / /
Guy Macon wrote:
What in God's name prompted you to post /that/ sig? I don't care if my
news reader stripped it out in my reply, it was still there in your
post! Yuck! And pointless eye abuse. Don't care about bandwidth but
some surely do. Are you just trying to be annoying? It doesn't matter
what you said *above* the sig, the sig makes you look ignorant, or at
least attempting to be provocative for no purpose. I used to actually
read your posts. Now I'm just skimming over and past them. Re-think
your strategy, Guy.
--
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Why do you need a driver's license to buy alcohol when you can't drink
and drive?
Ed Mullen wrote:
>What in God's name prompted you to post /that/ sig? I don't care if my
news reader stripped it out in my reply, it was still there in your
post! Yuck! And pointless eye abuse.
A good newsreader will give you the option of stripping out .sigs
before displaying posts to the reader. This is an especially
valuable option for those who are easily annoyed by .sigs.
>Don't care about bandwidth but
some surely do. Are you just trying to be annoying? It doesn't matter
what you said *above* the sig, the sig makes you look ignorant, or at
least attempting to be provocative for no purpose. I used to actually
read your posts. Now I'm just skimming over and past them. Re-think
your strategy, Guy.
It was a one-time attempt at humor. Sorry that you didn't find it funny.
If you decide to ignore the content of my posts because one joke fell
flat for you, all I can say is that, in my opinion, you will be missing
a lot of useful information that has sigs that stay under the recognized
4-line 79 character limit. It's your choice, though.
--
Guy Macon
<http://www.GuyMacon.com/>
Guy Macon wrote:
>
A good newsreader will give you the option of stripping out .sigs
before displaying posts to the reader. This is an especially
valuable option for those who are easily annoyed by .sigs.
You've got it wrong there. The sig is only stripped out when replying.
If it worked as you suggest, there would be no point in including a sig
since nobody would see it and there would be no need to strip it when
replying since it had already been stripped on receiving.
--
Gus
On Jul 27, 2:00*am, Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/wrote:
It was a one-time attempt at humor. *Sorry that you didn't find it funny.
ok kiss make up whatever. Hey what ever happened to that kook with the
really really really long signature. He use to argue with everyone.
He did a care-bear's site.
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On Jul 27, 4:05*am, Gus Richter <gusrich...@netscape.netwrote:
If it worked as you suggest, there would be no point in including a sig
since nobody would see it and there would be no need to strip it when
replying since it had already been stripped on receiving.
That's a mighty big assumption that everyone would stip them out.
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Travis Newbury wrote:
On Jul 27, 4:05 am, Gus Richter <gusrich...@netscape.netwrote:
>If it worked as you suggest, there would be no point in including a sig
since nobody would see it and there would be no need to strip it when
replying since it had already been stripped on receiving.
That's a mighty big assumption that everyone would stip them out.
I take it that English is not your first language, or you are lacking in
reading skills. Guy said that a "good newsreader will strip the sig
before displaying". I don't say it, nor assume it to be so. In fact, my
post disputes this. Guy did not say "everyone", he said "a good one".
--
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Travis Newbury <http://travisnewbury.blogspot.com/Flash Crap
Do you stutter or are you otherwise challenged? Do you really think that
by irritating people by repeating your "crap" four times will attract
people? I may have otherwise gone to have a look.
I conclude that you are challenged since you do not properly use the (--
) but choose to irritate readers in this way as well.
--
Gus
On Jul 27, 9:43*am, Gus Richter <gusrich...@netscape.netwrote:
Do you stutter or are you otherwise challenged? Do you really think that
by irritating people by repeating your "crap" four times will attract
people? I may have otherwise gone to have a look.
Visit, don't visit. What ever you do is pretty much irrelevant to
me.
--
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Travis Newbury <http://travisnewbury.blogspot.com/Flash Crap
Travis Newbury <http://travisnewbury.blogspot.com/Flash Crap
Travis Newbury <http://travisnewbury.blogspot.com/Flash Crap
On 2008-07-27, Gus Richter wrote:
Guy Macon wrote:
>>
A good newsreader will give you the option of stripping out .sigs
before displaying posts to the reader. This is an especially
valuable option for those who are easily annoyed by .sigs.
You've got it wrong there. The sig is only stripped out when replying.
A good newsreader has the option to show or not show sigs when
displaying posts.
If it worked as you suggest, there would be no point in including a sig
since nobody would see it and there would be no need to strip it when
replying since it had already been stripped on receiving.
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Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:44:34 +0000, /Chris F.A. Johnson/:
On 2008-07-27, Gus Richter wrote:
>You've got it wrong there. The sig is only stripped out when replying.
A good newsreader has the option to show or not show sigs when
displaying posts.
I wouldn't say that is top-of-pops feature which makes a newsreader
good. Especially if most people follow the etiquette of having sig
of no more than 4 lines.
--
Stanimir
Gus Richter wrote:
>
Travis Newbury wrote:
>On Jul 27, 4:05 am, Gus Richter <gusrich...@netscape.netwrote:
>>If it worked as you suggest, there would be no point in including a sig
since nobody would see it and there would be no need to strip it when
replying since it had already been stripped on receiving.
That's a mighty big assumption that everyone would stip them out.
I take it that English is not your first language, or you are lacking in
reading skills. Guy said that a "good newsreader will strip the sig
before displaying". I don't say it, nor assume it to be so. In fact, my
post disputes this. Guy did not say "everyone", he said "a good one".
>--
Travis Newbury <http://travisnewbury.blogspot.com/Flash Crap
Travis Newbury <http://travisnewbury.blogspot.com/Flash Crap
Travis Newbury <http://travisnewbury.blogspot.com/Flash Crap
Travis Newbury <http://travisnewbury.blogspot.com/Flash Crap
Do you stutter or are you otherwise challenged? Do you really think that
by irritating people by repeating your "crap" four times will attract
people? I may have otherwise gone to have a look.
I conclude that you are challenged since you do not properly use the (--
) but choose to irritate readers in this way as well.
And who are you, the .sig police?
Usenet has standards. The standard for .sigs is no more than 4 lines,
no more than 79 characters per line. Within that standard, the user
is allowed to put anything he wishes in his sig. Deal with it.
--
Guy Macon
<http://www.GuyMacon.com/>
Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
>
Gus Richter wrote:
>Guy Macon wrote:
>>>
A good newsreader will give you the option of stripping out .sigs
before displaying posts to the reader. This is an especially
valuable option for those who are easily annoyed by .sigs.
You've got it wrong there. The sig is only stripped out when replying.
A good newsreader has the option to show or not show sigs when
displaying posts.
Gus was a little excited and wasn't thinking straight.
This is an exciting day for Gus; he just got accepted
into the .sig police academy!
--
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<http://www.GuyMacon.com/>
Guy Macon wrote:
Gus Richter wrote:
>Travis Newbury wrote:
>>On Jul 27, 4:05 am, Gus Richter <gusrich...@netscape.netwrote:
If it worked as you suggest, there would be no point in including a sig
since nobody would see it and there would be no need to strip it when
replying since it had already been stripped on receiving.
That's a mighty big assumption that everyone would stip them out.
I take it that English is not your first language, or you are lacking in
reading skills. Guy said that a "good newsreader will strip the sig
before displaying". I don't say it, nor assume it to be so. In fact, my
post disputes this. Guy did not say "everyone", he said "a good one".
>>--
Travis Newbury <http://travisnewbury.blogspot.com/Flash Crap
Travis Newbury <http://travisnewbury.blogspot.com/Flash Crap
Travis Newbury <http://travisnewbury.blogspot.com/Flash Crap
Travis Newbury <http://travisnewbury.blogspot.com/Flash Crap
Do you stutter or are you otherwise challenged? Do you really think that
by irritating people by repeating your "crap" four times will attract
people? I may have otherwise gone to have a look.
I conclude that you are challenged since you do not properly use the (--
) but choose to irritate readers in this way as well.
And who are you, the .sig police?
Just someone that tries to follow conventions, point out false
allegations and irritating "crap".
Usenet has standards. The standard for .sigs is no more than 4 lines,
no more than 79 characters per line. Within that standard, the user
is allowed to put anything he wishes in his sig. Deal with it.
Please provide a link to these "Usenet Standards".
--
Gus
Guy Macon wrote:
Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
>Gus Richter wrote:
>>Guy Macon wrote:
A good newsreader will give you the option of stripping out .sigs
before displaying posts to the reader. This is an especially
valuable option for those who are easily annoyed by .sigs.
You've got it wrong there. The sig is only stripped out when replying.
A good newsreader has the option to show or not show sigs when
displaying posts.
Gus was a little excited and wasn't thinking straight.
This is an exciting day for Gus; he just got accepted
into the .sig police academy!
Thinking straight, thank you. More than I can say about you. Trolling is
what you're into. What would a Googlegrouper like you and Chris know
about a good newsreader? How about using one?
--
Gus
Here's another thread replete with devastating brilliance and insight. I
wouldn't have missed it for worlds. But being the bozo newbie that I am
(with my code replete with frames and javascript, and not a style sheet
in sight), the sharp and witty post which showed how to count angels on
pinheads has completely passed me by.
Pity really.
On Jul 28, 5:29*am, Tim Streater <tim.strea...@dante.org.ukwrote:
Here's another thread replete with devastating brilliance and insight.
Yea, what a shame..
Gus Richter wrote:
>
Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/wrote:
>Gus Richter wrote:
>>Travis Newbury wrote:
Gus Richter wrote:
If it worked as you suggest, there would be no point in including a sig
since nobody would see it and there would be no need to strip it when
replying since it had already been stripped on receiving.
That's a mighty big assumption that everyone would stip them out.
I take it that English is not your first language, or you are lacking in
reading skills. Guy said that a "good newsreader will strip the sig
before displaying". I don't say it, nor assume it to be so. In fact, my
post disputes this. Guy did not say "everyone", he said "a good one".
--
Travis Newbury <http://travisnewbury.blogspot.com/Flash Crap
Travis Newbury <http://travisnewbury.blogspot.com/Flash Crap
Travis Newbury <http://travisnewbury.blogspot.com/Flash Crap
Travis Newbury <http://travisnewbury.blogspot.com/Flash Crap
Do you stutter or are you otherwise challenged? Do you really think that
by irritating people by repeating your "crap" four times will attract
people? I may have otherwise gone to have a look.
I conclude that you are challenged since you do not properly use the (--
) but choose to irritate readers in this way as well.
And who are you, the .sig police?
Just someone that tries to follow conventions, point out false
allegations and irritating "crap".
>Usenet has standards. The standard for .sigs is no more than 4 lines,
no more than 79 characters per line. Within that standard, the user
is allowed to put anything he wishes in his sig. Deal with it.
Please provide a link to these "Usenet Standards".
I take it that English is not your first language, or that you are
lacking in reading skills. The phrase "Usenet Standards" implies
an RFC or other official document. The phrase "Usenet has standards"
implies a long tradition of clueful Usenet users doing something the
same way and thus creating a de-facto standard.
That being said, Section 4.3 of RFC 3676 documents the
"-- " separator and Page 4 of RFC 1855 documents the
4-line McQuary limit.
And, of course, the The alt.fan.warlord FAQ is the authority
on all things .SIGish... (search on "4 LINES, THE NET STANDARD.") http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/afw/#afwfaq
Also see: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/M/McQuary-limit.html http://lipas.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/signatur.html http://mailformat.dan.info/trailers/sigblocks.html http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3676#section-4.3 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
And before anyone starts the usual bleating about the above
documents not saying that the 4-line McQuary limit is a
requirement, please note that nothing concerning the content
Usenet posyts is required or forbidden. There is no central
governing agency over Usenet, and as such, one can only offer
friendly suggestions or strongly worded suggestions towards
an ideal of compliance. There are no .sig police to run
to if someone wants to go against the rules.
--
Guy Macon
<http://www.GuyMacon.com/>
Gus Richter wrote:
>
Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/wrote:
>Gus was a little excited and wasn't thinking straight.
This is an exciting day for Gus; he just got accepted
into the .sig police academy!
Thinking straight, thank you. More than I can say about you. Trolling is
what you're into. What would a Googlegrouper like you and Chris know
about a good newsreader? How about using one?
You think that I am a Googlegrouper?
I post through Giganews, using a newsreader that I compiled
myself, based on a highly modified version of the source
code for WinVN (the newsreader NASA brought to us). I run
it on a copy of Windows 2000 Advanced server running inside
a VMWare virtual machine that in turn runs on my main
Slackware Linux box.
--
Guy Macon
<http://www.GuyMacon.com/>
"Tim Streater" <ti**********@dante.org.ukwrote...
Here's another thread replete with devastating brilliance and insight.
Your eyes must be MUCH better than mine ...
.... Unless you are hallucinating?
I was just about to nominate it for "Boring Thread of the Day"
--
Andrew
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On Jul 28, 7:34*am, Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/wrote:
I take it that English is not your first language, or that you are
lacking in reading skills....
Why does everyone have to start a conversation with an insult.
Can't we all just be friends...
--
Travis
Flash Crap: http://travisnewbury.blogspot.com
On Jul 28, 2:24*am, Gus Richter <gusrich...@netscape.netwrote:
Thinking straight, thank you. More than I can say about you. Trolling is
what you're into. What would a Googlegrouper like you and Chris know
about a good newsreader? How about using one?
I (and others I assume) access Usenet behind a corporate firewall that
does not allow me to use a news reader. So rather than sometimes
using one (when accessing fro home or some wifi location) and not
using it when I am at the office, I decided to just use google groups
all the time. Using one has nothing to do with "knowing about a good
reader"
--
Travis
Flash Crap: http://travisnewbury.blogspot.com
--
Travis
Flash Crap: http://travisnewbury.blogspot.com
Guy Macon wrote:
>
The phrase "Usenet Standards" implies
an RFC or other official document. The phrase "Usenet has standards"
implies a long tradition of clueful Usenet users doing something the
same way and thus creating a de-facto standard.
You say that "Usenet has standards" and when referring to those
standards you must call them "Usenet Standards". The different
implications are in your mind.
The word that you're searching for is "convention". Since Usenet has no
Stipulated Standards, Generally Accepted Standards or De-facto Standards
may be understood to exist due to generally accepted customs resulting
from conventional agreed-upon practices.
--
Gus
On Jul 28, 1:14*pm, Gus Richter <gusrich...@netscape.netwrote:
The phrase "Usenet Standards" implies...
You say that "Usenet has standards"...
Boys, boys, boys... Isn't this a rather silly argument?
--
Travis
Flash Crap: http://travisnewbury.blogspot.com
Travis Newbury <tr***********@gmail.comwrote in message: b8**********************************... glegroups.com,
On Jul 28, 1:14 pm, Gus Richter <gusrich...@netscape.netwrote:
>>The phrase "Usenet Standards" implies...
You say that "Usenet has standards"...
Boys, boys, boys... Isn't this a rather silly argument?
Yup, and that's also a USENET standard...
--
Red
On 28 Jul 2008, "Andrew Heenan" <fi**@will.comwrote:
"Tim Streater" <ti**********@dante.org.ukwrote...
>Here's another thread replete with devastating brilliance and insight.
Your eyes must be MUCH better than mine ...
... Unless you are hallucinating?
I was just about to nominate it for "Boring Thread of the Day"
You have to read between the lines. That's why they have the "line-height"
attribute in css which allows even fatheads to slip thru.
--
Neredbojias http://www.neredbojias.net/
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