Header AND Footer?

[salmanjavaheri]

Hi is there any simple way to get a footer in an html page? so that
when it comes to print, that footer is on EVERY page, just as whatever
you put in the <headtag is at the top of every page printed.

thanks

[Andy Dingley]

On 18 Feb, 09:09, [e-mail] wrote:

Hi is there any simple way to get a footer in an html page?

No.

You can do this (and do it well) with XSL:FO, which is much more
complicated but is targetted more for print-based output and has far
better features for this sort of task. Not much use on the web though.

You could also try <tablemarkup and using <theadand <tfoot>
elements. In _some_ contexts, these may be printed as repeated headers
and footers for each page that the table spans. Note though that this
has two drawbacks: It's far from reliable (print handling
implementation in HTML is usually poor and this behaviour isn't a
mandatory requirement anyway.) Secondly it's a clear abuse of <table>
as a purely layout feature.

[salmanjavaheri]

On Feb 18, 1:23*pm, Andy Dingley <[e-mail]:

On 18 Feb, 09:09, [e-mail] wrote:

Hi is there any simple way to get a footer in an html page?

No.

You can do this (and do it well) with XSL:FO, which is much more
complicated but is targetted more for print-based output and has far
better features for this sort of task. Not much use on the web though.

You could also try <tablemarkup and using <theadand <tfoot>
elements. In _some_ contexts, these may be printed as repeated headers
and footers for each page that the table spans. Note though that this
has two drawbacks: It's far from reliable (print handling
implementation in HTML is usually poor and this behaviour isn't a
mandatory requirement anyway.) Secondly it's a clear abuse of <table>
as a purely layout feature.

thanks for the help - will take a look

i'm 99% sure whatever is in the head tag appears at the top of every
page

[Harlan Messinger]

sa************@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

On Feb 18, 1:23 pm, Andy Dingley <[e-mail]:

>On 18 Feb, 09:09, [e-mail] wrote:

>>Hi is there any simple way to get a footer in an html page?

No.

You can do this (and do it well) with XSL:FO, which is much more
complicated but is targetted more for print-based output and has far
better features for this sort of task. Not much use on the web though.

You could also try <tablemarkup and using <theadand <tfoot>
elements. In _some_ contexts, these may be printed as repeated headers
and footers for each page that the table spans. Note though that this
has two drawbacks: It's far from reliable (print handling
implementation in HTML is usually poor and this behaviour isn't a
mandatory requirement anyway.) Secondly it's a clear abuse of <table>
as a purely layout feature.

thanks for the help - will take a look

i'm 99% sure whatever is in the head tag appears at the top of every
page

You have a browser that prints the META and LINK tags at the top of each
page?

[salmanjavaheri]

i'm getting worried now, just tried it on my office pc and...as you
all said, it didn't work, will check out the one i did at home.
btw all this is for a replacement for the reports that are made in
access, my reports are quite complicated, and very frustating to put
together and edit in access, so i thought i'd try and move to html,
but obviously the headers and footers are going to be an issue.

Is xsl:fo THE solution for reports then? is it easy to learn?

thanks
On Feb 19, 11:50*am, Harlan Messinger
<[e-mail]:

[e-mail] wrote:

On Feb 18, 1:23 pm, Andy Dingley <[e-mail]:

On 18 Feb, 09:09, [e-mail] wrote:

>Hi is there any simple way to get a footer in an html page?
No.

You can do this (and do it well) with XSL:FO, which is much more
complicated but is targetted more for print-based output and has far
better features for this sort of task. Not much use on the web though.

You could also try <tablemarkup and using <theadand <tfoot>
elements. In _some_ contexts, these may be printed as repeated headers
and footers for each page that the table spans. Note though that this
has two drawbacks: It's far from reliable (print handling
implementation in HTML is usually poor and this behaviour isn't a
mandatory requirement anyway.) Secondly it's a clear abuse of <table>
as a purely layout feature.

thanks for the help - will take a look

i'm 99% sure whatever is in the head tag appears at the top of every
page

You have a browser that prints the META and LINK tags at the top of each
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[Harlan Messinger]

sa************@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

On Feb 19, 11:50 am, Harlan Messinger
<[e-mail]:

>[e-mail] wrote:

>>On Feb 18, 1:23 pm, Andy Dingley <[e-mail]:
On 18 Feb, 09:09, [e-mail] wrote:
Hi is there any simple way to get a footer in an html page?
No.
You can do this (and do it well) with XSL:FO, which is much more
complicated but is targetted more for print-based output and has far
better features for this sort of task. Not much use on the web though.
You could also try <tablemarkup and using <theadand <tfoot>
elements. In _some_ contexts, these may be printed as repeated headers
and footers for each page that the table spans. Note though that this
has two drawbacks: It's far from reliable (print handling
implementation in HTML is usually poor and this behaviour isn't a
mandatory requirement anyway.) Secondly it's a clear abuse of <table>
as a purely layout feature.
thanks for the help - will take a look
i'm 99% sure whatever is in the head tag appears at the top of every
page

You have a browser that prints the META and LINK tags at the top of each
page?- Hide quoted text -

i'm getting worried now, just tried it on my office pc and...as you
all said, it didn't work, will check out the one i did at home.
btw all this is for a replacement for the reports that are made in
access, my reports are quite complicated, and very frustating to put
together and edit in access, so i thought i'd try and move to html,
but obviously the headers and footers are going to be an issue.

Is xsl:fo THE solution for reports then? is it easy to learn?

As was mentioned, it isn't much use on the Web. AFAIK there is no
browser support.

How about using Word?

[Andy Dingley]

On 19 Feb, 13:32, [e-mail] wrote:

Is xsl:fo THE solution for reports then?

Works for me! It's my favoured route for "some database stuff" out
to PDFs (or other formats) with a lot of control over paper-based
typography.

is it easy to learn?

There's a lot of it.

_If_ you already know XML, XSLT and CSS, then it's pretty easy. XSL:FO
is written in XML, you'll most likely generate it with XSLT and the
rendering model is pretty close to CSS (with extensions for paged
media). If you don't know all three of these beforehand, then that's a
lot of learning for one project. It's all good stuff you'll not regret
having spent the effort on afterwards, but there's a lot of it.

OTOH, it's far less ugly than Crystal and at least you'll learn
something useful.

[salmanjavaheri]

On Feb 19, 3:50*pm, Andy Dingley <[e-mail]:

On 19 Feb, 13:32, [e-mail] wrote:

Is xsl:fo THE solution for reports then?

Works for me! * It's my favoured route for "some database stuff" out
to PDFs (or other formats) with a lot of control over paper-based
typography.

is it easy to learn?

There's a lot of it.

_If_ you already know XML, XSLT and CSS, then it's pretty easy. XSL:FO
is written in XML, you'll most likely generate it with XSLT and the
rendering model is pretty close to CSS (with extensions for paged
media). If you don't know all three of these beforehand, then that's a
lot of learning for one project. It's all good stuff you'll not regret
having spent the effort on afterwards, but there's a lot of it.

OTOH, it's far less ugly than Crystal and at least you'll learn
something useful.

Sounds like the ticket, pdf's exactly what i'm going to be finishing
them off in, doesn't need to be web viewable. The other main reason
why i'm looking down this route is because the code could all be made
within the database, and then simply exported if i'm correct. Or is
there an even better way? (without getting a much more advanced
database system than access/filemaker)

[Andy Dingley]

On 19 Feb, 17:16, [e-mail] wrote:

Or is there an even better way?

Simplest possible report engine, then a really simple "Print as PDF"
tool like Distiller or Foxit?