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alternative to FrontPage please

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I know and have known for years that MS FrontPage is bad for generating
invalid code. Nonetheless I found it handy-dandy for managing my website
because I could drag a flie from one folder to another and it would
automagically rewrite all hyperlinks in other pages pointing to that file.
It also is good for site summaries, checking hyperlinks, etc.

Is there something out there besides FrontPage that is so handy-dandy
automagical for managing websites? I am more than willing to leave FrontPage
if there is.
Feb 4 '08 #1
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A lot of people like Dreamweaver as a WYIWYG editor, so that may be
worth checking out.

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On Feb 4, 3:45 am, "The Bicycling Guitarist"
<Ch...@TheBicyclingGuitarist.netwrote:
I know and have known for years that MS FrontPage is bad for generating
invalid code. Nonetheless I found it handy-dandy for managing my website
because I could drag a flie from one folder to another and it would
automagically rewrite all hyperlinks in other pages pointing to that file.
It also is good for site summaries, checking hyperlinks, etc.

Is there something out there besides FrontPage that is so handy-dandy
automagical for managing websites? I am more than willing to leave FrontPage
if there is.
Feb 4 '08 #2

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dreamweaver....
Feb 4 '08 #3

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On Feb 4, 2:45 am, "The Bicycling Guitarist"
<Ch...@TheBicyclingGuitarist.netwrote:
I know and have known for years that MS FrontPage is bad for generating
invalid code. Nonetheless I found it handy-dandy for managing my website
because I could drag a flie from one folder to another and it would
automagically rewrite all hyperlinks in other pages pointing to that file.
It also is good for site summaries, checking hyperlinks, etc.

Is there something out there besides FrontPage that is so handy-dandy
automagical for managing websites? I am more than willing to leave FrontPage
if there is.
May I suggest "seamonkey" ? It has a very useful WYSIWYG editor.
Feb 5 '08 #4

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macruzq wrote:
On Feb 4, 2:45 am, "The Bicycling Guitarist"
<Ch...@TheBicyclingGuitarist.netwrote:
>I know and have known for years that MS FrontPage is bad for generating
invalid code. Nonetheless I found it handy-dandy for managing my website
because I could drag a flie from one folder to another and it would
automagically rewrite all hyperlinks in other pages pointing to that file.
It also is good for site summaries, checking hyperlinks, etc.

Is there something out there besides FrontPage that is so handy-dandy
automagical for managing websites? I am more than willing to leave FrontPage
if there is.

May I suggest "seamonkey" ? It has a very useful WYSIWYG editor.
I don't believe that the Composer portion of SeaMonkey is being actively
developed anymore. The most current Composer off-shoot I know of is
Kompozer: http://www.kompozer.net/features.php

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Feb 5 '08 #5

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On Feb 5, 10:51 am, Ed Mullen <e...@edmullen.netwrote:
macruzq wrote:
On Feb 4, 2:45 am, "The Bicycling Guitarist"
<Ch...@TheBicyclingGuitarist.netwrote:
I know and have known for years that MS FrontPage is bad for generating
invalid code. Nonetheless I found it handy-dandy for managing my website
because I could drag a flie from one folder to another and it would
automagically rewrite all hyperlinks in other pages pointing to that file.
It also is good for site summaries, checking hyperlinks, etc.
Is there something out there besides FrontPage that is so handy-dandy
automagical for managing websites? I am more than willing to leave FrontPage
if there is.
May I suggest "seamonkey" ? It has a very useful WYSIWYG editor.

I don't believe that the Composer portion of SeaMonkey is being actively
developed anymore. The most current Composer off-shoot I know of is
Kompozer: http://www.kompozer.net/features.php

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Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
OK, but at least give it a try. Then make your own conclusions.
Feb 5 '08 #6

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macruzq wrote:
On Feb 4, 2:45 am, "The Bicycling Guitarist"
<Ch...@TheBicyclingGuitarist.netwrote:
>I know and have known for years that MS FrontPage is bad for generating
invalid code. Nonetheless I found it handy-dandy for managing my website
because I could drag a flie from one folder to another and it would
automagically rewrite all hyperlinks in other pages pointing to that file.
It also is good for site summaries, checking hyperlinks, etc.

Is there something out there besides FrontPage that is so handy-dandy
automagical for managing websites? I am more than willing to leave FrontPage
if there is.
MS replaced FP with Expression Web, and it is supposed to be much better
in terms of producing valid code. If you have FP I think you can just
pay the upgrade price to get EW.
Feb 5 '08 #7

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C A Upsdell wrote:
macruzq wrote:
>On Feb 4, 2:45 am, "The Bicycling Guitarist"
<Ch...@TheBicyclingGuitarist.netwrote:
>>I know and have known for years that MS FrontPage is bad for
generating invalid code. Nonetheless I found it handy-dandy for
managing my website because I could drag a flie from one folder to
another and it would automagically rewrite all hyperlinks in other
pages pointing to that file. It also is good for site summaries,
checking hyperlinks, etc.

Is there something out there besides FrontPage that is so handy-dandy
automagical for managing websites? I am more than willing to leave
FrontPage if there is.

MS replaced FP with Expression Web, and it is supposed to be much better
in terms of producing valid code. If you have FP I think you can just
pay the upgrade price to get EW.
Based on MS's past/present apps that generate markup, "EW" is probably an
excellent name for their latest attempt. It would be even better if they
went the Yahoo! way with "EW!"
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Feb 5 '08 #8

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macruzq wrote:
>
[re: Seamonkey as a web site management tool]
at least give it a try. Then make your own conclusions.
Neither Seamonkey nor Kompozer has any site management features remotely
resembling what the OP asked about. BTW, "WYSIWYG" has nothing to do
with it, either.

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Feb 6 '08 #9

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macruzq wrote:
On Feb 5, 10:51 am, Ed Mullen <e...@edmullen.netwrote:
>macruzq wrote:
>>On Feb 4, 2:45 am, "The Bicycling Guitarist"
<Ch...@TheBicyclingGuitarist.netwrote:
I know and have known for years that MS FrontPage is bad for generating
invalid code. Nonetheless I found it handy-dandy for managing my website
because I could drag a flie from one folder to another and it would
automagically rewrite all hyperlinks in other pages pointing to that file.
It also is good for site summaries, checking hyperlinks, etc.
Is there something out there besides FrontPage that is so handy-dandy
automagical for managing websites? I am more than willing to leave FrontPage
if there is.
May I suggest "seamonkey" ? It has a very useful WYSIWYG editor.
I don't believe that the Composer portion of SeaMonkey is being actively
developed anymore. The most current Composer off-shoot I know of is
Kompozer: http://www.kompozer.net/features.php

--
Ed Mullenhttp://edmullen.nethttp://mozilla.edmullen.nethttp://abington.edmullen.net
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.

OK, but at least give it a try. Then make your own conclusions.
I use SeaMonkey. I code my Web pages using a text editor. The only
thing I use a WYSIWYG editor for is the rare copy/paste op to quickly
gen up a temporary page. I don't use Composer, I use Kompozer.

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http://mozilla.edmullen.net
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grow, only to be troubled and insecure?
Feb 6 '08 #10

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Ed Mullen wrote:
macruzq wrote:
>On Feb 5, 10:51 am, Ed Mullen <e...@edmullen.netwrote:
>>macruzq wrote:
On Feb 4, 2:45 am, "The Bicycling Guitarist"
<Ch...@TheBicyclingGuitarist.netwrote:
I know and have known for years that MS FrontPage is bad for
generating invalid code. Nonetheless I found it handy-dandy
for managing my website because I could drag a flie from one
folder to another and it would automagically rewrite all
hyperlinks in other pages pointing to that file. It also is
good for site summaries, checking hyperlinks, etc. Is there
something out there besides FrontPage that is so handy-dandy
automagical for managing websites? I am more than willing to
leave FrontPage if there is.
May I suggest "seamonkey" ? It has a very useful WYSIWYG
editor.
I don't believe that the Composer portion of SeaMonkey is
being actively developed anymore. The most current Composer
off-shoot I know of is Kompozer:
http://www.kompozer.net/features.php

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Mullenhttp://edmullen.nethttp://mozilla.edmullen.nethttp://abin
>>gton.edmullen.net Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.

OK, but at least give it a try. Then make your own conclusions.

I use SeaMonkey. I code my Web pages using a text editor. The
only thing I use a WYSIWYG editor for is the rare copy/paste op
to quickly gen up a temporary page. I don't use Composer, I use
Kompozer.
Quanta Plus here. Text editor and multiple project manager (and
quick FTP uploading right from the editing window); no WYSIWYG
thanks. :)
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Feb 6 '08 #11

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"Blinky the Shark" <no*****@box.invalidwrote in message
news:pa****************************@thurston.blink ynet.net...
>C A Upsdell wrote:
>>
MS replaced FP with Expression Web, and it is supposed to be much better
in terms of producing valid code. If you have FP I think you can just
pay the upgrade price to get EW.

Based on MS's past/present apps that generate markup, "EW" is probably an
excellent name for their latest attempt. It would be even better if they
went the Yahoo! way with "EW!"

Lol. I am reminded of the worse than usual Windows ME of some years ago. I
use to say its name in the same context someone would say Fudge me or Screw
me.

Bergamot correctly noticed I am not asking for WYSIWYG but for site
management features.

Feb 6 '08 #12

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The Bicycling Guitarist wrote:
>
I am not asking for WYSIWYG but for site management features.
AIUI, FrontPage actually has some pretty good tools in this area. As
long as you aren't using it for code editing, I don't see a big need to
switch to something else. There may come a time when that becomes
necessary, but I don't think there's any rush.

Dreamweaver has all kinds of similar tools, but is pricey. Someone
mentioned Expression Web as the next generation FP, which is probably
worth looking into.

Something like Kompozer is totally inadequate for a site as large as yours.

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Feb 6 '08 #13

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Bergamot wrote:
The Bicycling Guitarist wrote:
>I am not asking for WYSIWYG but for site management features.

AIUI, FrontPage actually has some pretty good tools in this area. As
long as you aren't using it for code editing, I don't see a big need to
switch to something else. There may come a time when that becomes
necessary, but I don't think there's any rush.

Dreamweaver has all kinds of similar tools, but is pricey. Someone
mentioned Expression Web as the next generation FP, which is probably
worth looking into.

Something like Kompozer is totally inadequate for a site as large as yours.
I use CrimsonEditor that keeps my markup clean ;-) But has no site
management. The WSFTP Pro that I use has sync function to synchronize
the live online sites with local development sites. Xenu works well for
finding bad or broken links. Maybe a handful of specialized tools would
be better than using a WYSIWYG editor just for the site management
features.
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Feb 6 '08 #14

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On 5 fév, 19:02, Bergamot <berga...@visi.comwrote:
macruzq wrote:
[re: Seamonkey as a web site management tool]
at least give it a try. Then make your own conclusions.

Neither Seamonkey nor Kompozer has any site management features remotely
resembling what the OP asked about. BTW, "WYSIWYG" has nothing to do
with it, either.

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Berg,

I agree with you that Nvu 1.0 and KompoZer 0.7.10 site management is
not that good. Charles Cooke and I recommend to use FireFTP 0.97 or
FileZilla 3.0.6 as FTP programs:

http://www.charlescooke.me.uk/web/ugs10.htm#s103

http://www.gtalbot.org/NvuSection/Gu...on10.html#s103
KompoZer's development roadmap:
* 0.7 branch: fix most of the CSS editor's bugs;
* 0.8 branch: implement a decent site manager;

http://www.kompozer.net/about/

Regards, Gérard
Feb 9 '08 #15

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On 6 fév, 08:16, Bergamot <berga...@visi.comwrote:
Someone
mentioned Expression Web as the next generation FP, which is probably
worth looking into.

Something like Kompozer is totally inadequate for a site as large as yours..
Berg,

Just a few quick comments. I tried MS Web Expression when it was in
beta. What I didn't like is that you still could choose the type of
rendering, at least for CSS, which did make it a non-web-standards-
compliant HTML editor. Microsoft has to fix its IE browser and then
stop for good, stop forever offering a CSS IE engine in authoring
tools like MS-Web Expression.

KompoZer inadequate for large site? I don't know... I'm not sure I
agree. KompoZer 0.7.10 with FileZilla 3.0.6, with HandCoder 0.3.4,
with latest HTML Tidy (January 25th 2008), with an advanced text
editor makes it a very potent, very capable, quite powerful WYSIWYG
HTML editor.

Regards, Gérard

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Feb 10 '08 #16

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On 6 fév, 09:36, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4...@central.netwrote:
Maybe a handful of specialized tools would
be better than using a WYSIWYG editor just for the site management
features.

Exactly what I think too. There is no WYSIWYG HTML editor which is
fully recommendable, complete by itself and affordable (open-source,
cross-platform, free, truly web-standards-compliant, meeting ATAG 1.0
recommendations, etc). So, best is to use specialized tools and to
combine their usage.

Regards, Gérard
Feb 10 '08 #17

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GTalbot wrote:
On 5 fév, 19:02, Bergamot <berga...@visi.comwrote:
>>
Neither Seamonkey nor Kompozer has any site management features remotely
resembling what the OP asked about.

I agree with you that Nvu 1.0 and KompoZer 0.7.10 site management is
not that good. Charles Cooke and I recommend to use FireFTP 0.97 or
FileZilla 3.0.6 as FTP programs:
FTP is not site management.
KompoZer's development roadmap:
* 0.7 branch: fix most of the CSS editor's bugs;
* 0.8 branch: implement a decent site manager;
That list has been out there for years. There's been no active
development on Kompozer for a long time now.

I'm not really knocking Kompozer - it is an OK tool for a small site -
but it's totally inadequate for the OP.

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Feb 10 '08 #18

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GTalbot wrote:
On 6 fév, 08:16, Bergamot <berga...@visi.comwrote:
>Something like Kompozer is totally inadequate for a site as large as yours.

KompoZer inadequate for large site? I don't know... I'm not sure I
agree. KompoZer 0.7.10 with FileZilla 3.0.6, with HandCoder 0.3.4,
with latest HTML Tidy (January 25th 2008), with an advanced text
editor makes it a very potent, very capable, quite powerful WYSIWYG
HTML editor.
The OP is not looking for an editor, WYSIWYG or otherwise. He's looking
for site management tools, of which Kompozer has none.

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Feb 10 '08 #19

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