Certifications vs. 4yr CS Degree

[LayneMitch via WebmasterKB.com]

Wasn't sure where to post this...

I needed opinions on web certifications. I'm learning overall web/database
development (HTML/CSS, Actionscript, Javascript, PHP, MYSQL, ASP.NET). These
are my goals.

I'm not going to school for any of it.

What are your opinions on this? Do I need to go to school for this (I don't
see why...)? Could I get a certification somewhere? If so, where and what
certification should I get? (looking for a very respectable certification).
What are the advantages of going to school? (if there are any - I mean, I've
gotten so far by myself and through various online forums...)

I'm interested in your opinions on this one.

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[Andy Dingley]

On 27 Jan, 21:51, A-OK-SITE <[e-mail]:

Education is great, but companies almost always require certificates
that prove your ability to go with it

Name a (web relevant) company and a certification that's ever
"required". There are no web certifications worth their paper,
accordingly no-one demands them.

At a decent grade of networking (on Cisco kit), you will require Cisco
certification.

At the high end of Java or Oracle development, you will be expected to
have SCBCD or similar. If you don't have it, you'll need to prove
equivalent skill by other means. You are unlikely to be _required_ to
have it though.

MCSE etc are often required for employees, but IMHE new recruits will
be shoved through them, rather than excluded.

[Kevin Scholl]

On Jan 27, 4:51 pm, A-OK-SITE <[e-mail]:

On Jan 27, 3:40 pm, "LayneMitch via WebmasterKB.com" <u39402@uwe>
wrote:

Wasn't sure where to post this...

I needed opinions on web certifications. I'm learning overall web/database
development (HTML/CSS, Actionscript, Javascript, PHP, MYSQL, ASP.NET). These
are my goals.

I'm not going to school for any of it.

What are your opinions on this? Do I need to go to school for this (I don't
see why...)? Could I get a certification somewhere? If so, where and what
certification should I get? (looking for a very respectable certification).
What are the advantages of going to school? (if there are any - I mean, I've
gotten so far by myself and through various online forums...)

I'm interested in your opinions on this one.

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Education is great, but companies almost always require certificates

Nonsense. All certificates show is that one knows the intricacies of a
piece of software or a particular methodology. They are a nice extra,
nothing more, and are rarely _required_.

OTOH, education (that is to say, a degree) typically demonstrates
effective thought processes and creative thinking, as well as
substantial drive and dedication.

Demonstrable experience ultimately proves more important than either,
though.

[Bergamot]

Rik Wasmus wrote:

>
And any 'normal' usenet user doesn't see & care about ratings Google
Groups seem to have invented.

I didn't know what you were referring to so I looked it up. OMGawd.

It never ceases to amaze me the idiocy google can dream up where it
comes to google groups. What a complete waste of server resources.

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Berg

[usenet.sucks]

On Jan 28, 9:29 am, Andy Dingley <[e-mail]:

On 27 Jan, 21:51, A-OK-SITE <[e-mail]:

Education is great, but companies almost always require certificates
that prove your ability to go with it

Name a (web relevant) company and a certification that's ever
"required". There are no web certifications worth their paper,
accordingly no-one demands them.

At a decent grade of networking (on Cisco kit), you will require Cisco
certification.

At the high end of Java or Oracle development, you will be expected to
have SCBCD or similar. If you don't have it, you'll need to prove
equivalent skill by other means. You are unlikely to be _required_ to
have it though.

MCSE etc are often required for employees, but IMHE new recruits will
be shoved through them, rather than excluded.

That's if you get hired. Who got you your jib your mommie.

[Harlan Messinger]

Bergamot wrote:

Rik Wasmus wrote:

>And any 'normal' usenet user doesn't see & care about ratings Google
Groups seem to have invented.

I didn't know what you were referring to so I looked it up. OMGawd.

It never ceases to amaze me the idiocy google can dream up where it
comes to google groups. What a complete waste of server resources.

One occasional visitor in sci.lang with a rather creative understanding
of scientific investigation, besides being aggrieved over the failure of
his ideas to elicit acceptance in the group, also rants once in a while
against the "killrating mob". I once went to see what he was talking
about, skeptical that there was a whole mob of people who would go out
of their way to flag his messages in Google Groups. And I was right:
though I was surprised to see that a lot of his posts *are* rated, the
majority of these ratings are based on one vote (which can easily be
determined). So maybe this fellow has *one* stalker/antagonist, but
there is no mob. I pointed this out to him and got no response.

[Andy Dingley]

On 28 Jan, 18:36, Bergamot <[e-mail]:

Rik Wasmus wrote:

And any 'normal' usenet user doesn't see & care about ratings Google
Groups seem to have invented.

I didn't know what you were referring to so I looked it up. OMGawd.

The "Acclaim of Idiots" system. They're quite funny really.

OTOH, look at VK's You can't say it doesn't work _sometimes_. 8-)

[Steve Swift]

us**********@gmail.com (or ow*****@gmail.com) wrote:

That's if you get hired. Who got you your jib your mommie.

You seem to be using AT&T as your ADSL provider (you may not know this,
your ISP may be using AT&T without your knowledge), and you're probably
in, or close to Oklahoma City. It won't be long before I get the AT&T
record of the residence where the connection originated, then I'll be
back, posting it here. Of course, if you're using an ADSL connection
from your employers, that's even better.

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Steve Swift
http://www.swiftys.org.uk/swifty.html
http://www.ringers.org.uk

[Andy Dingley]

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:31:06 +0000, Steve Swift
<St***********@gmail.comwrote:

>us**********@gmail.com (or ow*****@gmail.com) wrote:

>That's if you get hired. Who got you your jib your mommie.

You seem to be using AT&T as your ADSL provider

No, usenet.sucks is just Daniel @ a-ok-site socking, not owo.dod

[Jonathan N. Little]

Bergamot wrote:

Rik Wasmus wrote:

>And any 'normal' usenet user doesn't see & care about ratings Google
Groups seem to have invented.

I didn't know what you were referring to so I looked it up. OMGawd.

It never ceases to amaze me the idiocy google can dream up where it
comes to google groups. What a complete waste of server resources.

Wow! We all get profiles? And who gives us our stars? Should we sing the
Barney song now? I think I'd rather learn something useful then go for
stars...

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Jonathan
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