Is there a reliable method of embedding a font?

[-Lost]

I would like to include a specific font. Rather than create images with
the font where and when I need it, I was hoping I could embed it.

I do realize it is optional and is up to the user to download (if and
when prompted to download) the font.

Are these the only methods, and are they the *best* method of embedding
a font?

http://webdesign.about.com/od/fonts/...0202a.htm?rd=1

Otherwise, I was thinking it would be best to just use a generic set of
fonts via CSS, and provide a download link stating the site was
originally designed to use this font.

Any suggestions?

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[rf]

"-Lost" <ma****************@techie.comwrote in message
news:LL******************************@comcast.com. ..

>I would like to include a specific font. Rather than create images with
the font where and when I need it, I was hoping I could embed it.

Sometimes I see you replying with some good answers in the newsgroups. Then
you ask these sorts of questions. It doesn't figure.

No. There is no reliable way to "embed" fonts. A search of the archive would
have confirmed this for you.

I do realize it is optional and is up to the user to download (if and when
prompted to download) the font.

Why would you expect your user to allow you to download your brand x font to
their computer, one they will probably never ever use again? You want your
users to allow their font folder to be cluttered with all and sundry fonts
that some web drezigner thinks they might require?

Any suggestions?

Suggest a font *family* and leave the rest up to your viewer. What is the
big thing about fonts anyway? Make the page readable with the users chosen
font, not your artsy fancy one.

--
Richard

[Stan Brown]

Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:02:31 -0400 from -Lost
<ma****************@techie.com>:

Who said I expect them to download anything?

How else would the font get from your server to their computer so
that the browser can render the page using it?

Sheesh!

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[-Lost]

Stan Brown wrote:

Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:02:31 -0400 from -Lost
<ma****************@techie.com>:

>Who said I expect them to download anything?

How else would the font get from your server to their computer so
that the browser can render the page using it?

Sheesh!

That point is obvious. However, I was noting that I did not issue any
such expectations. One would note that I specifically said I could
offer a link for those who might wish to download the font to see it as
it was originally intended.

I didn't expect anyone to do anything.

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[dorayme]

In article <Ox*****************@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"rf" <[e-mail]:

"-Lost" <ma****************@techie.comwrote in message
news:LL******************************@comcast.com. ..

I would like to include a specific font. Rather than create images with
the font where and when I need it, I was hoping I could embed it.

Sometimes I see you replying with some good answers in the newsgroups. Then
you ask these sorts of questions. It doesn't figure.

Let us not have too primitive or naive a theory of human
psychology/brains/learning. Holes and gaps can take a while to
repair or remove. Sometimes, for various reasons and causes they
can emerge.

You should have seen all the fantastic answers to complex
questions the Hubble Space telescope engineers got right and
yet... You should see how I had never come across the term
"muscle car" in spite of not being all that ignorant about a
certain type of gorgeous thumping powerful hulk machines...

Holes happen!

Suggest a font *family* and leave the rest up to your viewer. What is the
big thing about fonts anyway? Make the page readable with the users chosen
font, not your artsy fancy one.

Now now rf, let us not be too philistinic. Consider if there
really was a way to simply use any font one liked without having
to invade a client machine's font resources. The browser somehow
does it. It could be nice in some situations for limited
purposes.

True, it would be as useful to some of us as it was dangerous
generally. For example, some use a Magnum 44, in a totally
responsible manner. (Dirty Harry used the threat of his to ward
off a group of thugs who accosted him in a dark tunnel. He let
them know he "had company", there was "Smith" and "Wesson" and
himself...)

--
dorayme

[-Lost]

dorayme wrote:

In article <Ox*****************@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"rf" <[e-mail]:

>"-Lost" <ma****************@techie.comwrote in message
news:LL******************************@comcast.com ...

>>I would like to include a specific font. Rather than create images with
the font where and when I need it, I was hoping I could embed it.

Sometimes I see you replying with some good answers in the newsgroups. Then
you ask these sorts of questions. It doesn't figure.

Let us not have too primitive or naive a theory of human
psychology/brains/learning. Holes and gaps can take a while to
repair or remove. Sometimes, for various reasons and causes they
can emerge.

You should have seen all the fantastic answers to complex
questions the Hubble Space telescope engineers got right and
yet... You should see how I had never come across the term
"muscle car" in spite of not being all that ignorant about a
certain type of gorgeous thumping powerful hulk machines...

Holes happen!

>Suggest a font *family* and leave the rest up to your viewer. What is the
big thing about fonts anyway? Make the page readable with the users chosen
font, not your artsy fancy one.

Now now rf, let us not be too philistinic. Consider if there
really was a way to simply use any font one liked without having
to invade a client machine's font resources. The browser somehow
does it. It could be nice in some situations for limited
purposes.

True, it would be as useful to some of us as it was dangerous
generally. For example, some use a Magnum 44, in a totally
responsible manner. (Dirty Harry used the threat of his to ward
off a group of thugs who accosted him in a dark tunnel. He let
them know he "had company", there was "Smith" and "Wesson" and
himself...)

Thanks, dorayme. I think. ;)

I know I may not be the smartest cat in the world, but when I think I
have exhausted (at least what I can think of or remember) all options I
ask for help.

For example, I could have just went with the sIFR method. Although to
me, that is even more moronic than just creating a small image
containing your specified font. Hell, I even read where sIFR was a
"cross-browser" solution. To me, the likelihood of someone being able
to view an image is much greater than someone having both JavaScript
*and* Flash available.

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-Lost
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[dorayme]

In article <Mf******************************@comcast.com>,
-Lost <ma****************@techie.comwrote:

Suggest a font *family* and leave the rest up to your viewer. What is the
big thing about fonts anyway? Make the page readable with the users chosen
font, not your artsy fancy one.

Now now rf, let us not be too philistinic. Consider if there
really was a way to simply use any font one liked without having
to invade a client machine's font resources. The browser somehow
does it. It could be nice in some situations for limited
purposes.

Thanks, dorayme. I think. ;)

Given the state of play though, I am afraid rf is right in his
advice to you, you would better spend your time not worrying
about fonts in web design. But you and I know, deep in our
hearts, that on occasions it would be nice to be able to use a
particular font. rf has no time for heart just at the moment,
tennis and skiing are on his mind. There can be worse things to
have on the mind.

--
dorayme