W3C HTML/XHTML Standard outta fashion?

[Saqib Ali]

Recently I have been trying to find a web designer that can follow the
W3C HTML/XHTML. We need a website for a non-profit re-designed and
upgraded to conform to W3c HTML/XHTML and usability standards. We have
received many quotes, and excellent/impressive portfolios. However none
of the designer had any sites in their portfolio that conformed to the
W3c standard. I am very disappointed.

Is there is directory/listing of web developer who conform to the
standards i.e. their site actually pass the XHTML validator?

Thanks
saqib (do*********@gmail.com)
http://www.full-disk-encryption.net

[Arne]

Once upon a time *Saqib Ali* wrote:

Recently I have been trying to find a web designer that can follow the
W3C HTML/XHTML. We need a website for a non-profit re-designed and
upgraded to conform to W3c HTML/XHTML and usability standards. We have
received many quotes, and excellent/impressive portfolios. However none
of the designer had any sites in their portfolio that conformed to the
W3c standard. I am very disappointed.

Is there is directory/listing of web developer who conform to the
standards i.e. their site actually pass the XHTML validator?

You may find some here:
http://www.w3csites.com/default.asp

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[Andy Dingley]

Arne wrote:

You may find some here:
http://www.w3csites.com/default.asp

Oh depress me even further!

I looked at the first few, the design houses' own homepages.

Transitional doctypes
XHTML Appendix C
XML prologs
<tablemarkup
content-type <meta>
Confusion between alt and title on images
Lack of title where appropriate on other elements

OK, so they're broadly valid markup and they're probably some of the
best implemented sites out there. But these are also the specialists
making a pitch, and even then they can't get it spot on.
I had some recruitment agency spam today.
£40k+ to wear a suit in a vaguely sales role.
£35k to write bad websites.
£22k to write good standards-based websites.

Why is it so hard to find good standards-aware web designers? Because
the market doesn't want them, doesn't reward them, and a typical outfit
will actually punish a competent developer who understands the issues
in favour of a Potatoshop image-slicer.

[Daniel Gr]

Saqib, I think you should pick the most impressive developer you can
find at the right price, and then add an external accessibility
consultant (like myself!) to secure the code.

Sadly, there are no (or very few) overall professional web designer,
except perhaps Happy Cog and NetRelations. Most are either graphically,
information architecture or accessibility centered. Rarely all three,
or even two of those.

Sorry. But I think that's the reality you'll have to face.
Sincerely,

Daniel Gr
PS. I can drop you a few good names if you email me at [e-mail] -
don't wanna make this post into an ad.

Saqib Ali wrote:

Recently I have been trying to find a web designer that can follow the
W3C HTML/XHTML. We need a website for a non-profit re-designed and
upgraded to conform to W3c HTML/XHTML and usability standards. We have
received many quotes, and excellent/impressive portfolios. However none
of the designer had any sites in their portfolio that conformed to the
W3c standard. I am very disappointed.

Is there is directory/listing of web developer who conform to the
standards i.e. their site actually pass the XHTML validator?

Thanks
saqib (do*********@gmail.com)
http://www.full-disk-encryption.net

[docbook.xml]

You may find some here:

http://www.w3csites.com/default.asp

Not a bad list. The sites are not "strict" XHTML, but I was able to
find few designers who are willing to guarantee that the final product
will be Strict XHTML complaint.... :)

Thanks for the list!!!! :-)

saqib
http://www.full-disk-encryption.net

[Dan]

Andy Dingley wrote:

I had some recruitment agency spam today.
£40k+ to wear a suit in a vaguely sales role.
£35k to write bad websites.
£22k to write good standards-based websites.

Having a good spam filter to block spam like that: priceless.

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Dan

[Chaddy2222]

Saqib Ali wrote:

Recently I have been trying to find a web designer that can follow the
W3C HTML/XHTML. We need a website for a non-profit re-designed and
upgraded to conform to W3c HTML/XHTML and usability standards. We have
received many quotes, and excellent/impressive portfolios. However none
of the designer had any sites in their portfolio that conformed to the
W3c standard. I am very disappointed.

Is there is directory/listing of web developer who conform to the
standards i.e. their site actually pass the XHTML validator?

Thanks
saqib (do*********@gmail.com)

Feel free to e-mail me through the contact page on my website, found in
my sig below.
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Regards Chad. http://freewebdesign.cjb.cc

[Neo Geshel]

Saqib Ali wrote:

Recently I have been trying to find a web designer that can follow the
W3C HTML/XHTML. We need a website for a non-profit re-designed and
upgraded to conform to W3c HTML/XHTML and usability standards. We have
received many quotes, and excellent/impressive portfolios. However none
of the designer had any sites in their portfolio that conformed to the
W3c standard. I am very disappointed.

Is there is directory/listing of web developer who conform to the
standards i.e. their site actually pass the XHTML validator?

Thanks
saqib (do*********@gmail.com)
http://www.full-disk-encryption.net

I do XHTML 1.1 + CSS 2.1 work. All virtually 100% standards-compliant.
Print-friendly without needing a printer-friendly page. Accessible to
99+% of people on the Internet.

View my latest work-in-progress that I am involved with:

http://www.cashcowmag.com/

(not my company, but I did the work)

...Geshel
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[Neo Geshel]

Chaddy2222 wrote:

Saqib Ali wrote:

>Recently I have been trying to find a web designer that can follow the
W3C HTML/XHTML. We need a website for a non-profit re-designed and
upgraded to conform to W3c HTML/XHTML and usability standards. We have
received many quotes, and excellent/impressive portfolios. However none
of the designer had any sites in their portfolio that conformed to the
W3c standard. I am very disappointed.

Is there is directory/listing of web developer who conform to the
standards i.e. their site actually pass the XHTML validator?

Thanks
saqib (do*********@gmail.com)

Feel free to e-mail me through the contact page on my website, found in
my sig below

Regards Chad. http://freewebdesign.cjb.cc

“Server not found - Firefox can’t find the server at freewebdesign.cjb.cc.�.

Hmmmm.... You get what you pay for.

Cheers.
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[Chris F.A. Johnson]

On 2007-01-25, Neo Geshel wrote:

>
View my latest work-in-progress that I am involved with:

http://www.cashcowmag.com/

(not my company, but I did the work)

This is how it looks in my browser:
<http://cfaj.freeshell.org/testing/cashcow.jpg>

There is something too small to read on a red background at the
top.

The page does not fill my browser window, which means you did
something to prevent it, as it would be filled by default.

The columns are far too narrow to use justified text; the resulting
spacing looks awful.

The margin between the columns is too narrow.

Newspaper-type columns do not work well on a web page. I have to
scroll down to reach the bottom of the first page and then scroll
back up to read the continuation in the second column.

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[Andy Dingley]

On 25 Jan, 19:22, Neo Geshel <[e-mail]:

>I do XHTML 1.1 + CSS 2.1 work. All virtually 100% standards-compliant.
Print-friendly without needing a printer-friendly page. Accessible to
99+% of people on the Internet.

No it isn't. It's impossible to do what you claim correctly _and_ reach
that market share.

In XHTML 1.0 it would be impressive if you did this correctly, but in
XHTML 1.1 you simply can't. If you think you can, then your
understanding isn't as deep as you think it is.