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Difficulty in the beginning

( 9 in the first place, means difficulty in the beginning? )

I'm new at css, at least for the sizing, positioning
and decorating of div tags.

But I am a java/c/c++/perl/php/sh/bash programmer,
so I ought to be able to catch on fast.
But it isn't working out that way.

I tried to make a simple header-above two column layout.
My first stab looked fine on Firefox, running on linux.
The css validated at w3c with no errors. The same
page looked mostly the same on Safari on Mac, but
it looked like it had a skin disease on IE6 on XP.

This sounds a lot like the early days of javascript.
What good is w3c validation if the layouts still differ
from browser to browser?

I did use a lot of width: some%; sizing.
When I changed to hard-coded pixel sizes
the differences between browsers became
less apparent, but were still there and still
visually disconcerting.

Does learning CSS mean learning the quirks
of all the major browsers? The now unfashionable
use of tables-based layouts is at least portable.

Nov 15 '06 #1
11 1385
sciontologist wrote:
The now unfashionable use of tables-based layouts is at least
portable.
So is CSS, if written correctly. Have you a URL to the problem page?

Look around at some templates; maybe give you some ideas.
http://benmeadowcroft.com/webdev/css...ft-column.html
http://webhost.bridgew.edu/etribou/layouts/ ...

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck
Nov 15 '06 #2

sciontologist wrote:
The css validated at w3c with no errors. The same
page looked mostly the same on Safari on Mac, but
it looked like it had a skin disease on IE6 on XP.
"It's all rubbish but I'm not going to post a URL to my concrete
example so you can see what might be wrong with it"

You really are just a troll, aren't you?
If you like, then CSS and RDF are both worthless and you should stick
to the tables you prefer. Now go away and don't bother people who are
trying to move forwards.

Nov 15 '06 #3
What is a troll. I was expressing
anger and dissapointment.

I was pissed off because I had such
high hopes for CSS, and (at first glance)
it started to look like deja-javascript all over again.

..... spent a few hours making a template.
It did validate. It did look different in
IE6, than on Firefox.

I will post it at some point.
Can't do it now.

Nov 15 '06 #4

Shut my mouth.
My css validated, but the html did not.
I had a DOCTYPE mismatch.
Fixing that fixed the template.
Now I'm starting to like css again.

Nov 15 '06 #5
sciontologist wrote:
Shut my mouth.
My css validated, but the html did not.
I had a DOCTYPE mismatch.
Fixing that fixed the template.
Now I'm starting to like css again.
Whoohoo.

BTW, we newsgroup readers, who don't use that abominable Google Groups
interface would appreciate if you replied to the correct posts, and
didn't start new threads when a reply should be used. Thanks for your
consideration.

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck
Nov 15 '06 #6
>
BTW, we newsgroup readers, who don't use that abominable Google Groups
interface would appreciate if you replied to the correct posts, and
didn't start new threads when a reply should be used. Thanks for your
consideration.
I do have a tendancy to do what ever the hell I like.
I did notice that valid css (once I got the DOCTYPES synched up)
looked essentially the same everywhere, on all browsers,
but *ONLY* if I used hard-coded pixel widths and locations.
And I don't like those because 400px means different things
at different resolutions.

And when I switched to percentage widths like:
width: 90%; the results stayed much the same on
Firefox and Safari, but STILL Looked awful on IE6

I'm not a big windows fan, but I do have one of those abominable
machines on my desk somewhere, so I downloaded IE7 and found percentage
widths
and offsets DO work just fine on IE7 (but not IE6)

So, somewhat ironically, my orignal complaints would have been valid a
month ago.
Now they no longer hold water.

Nov 15 '06 #7
On 15 Nov 2006 12:46:53 -0800, "sciontologist"
<Sa***************@gmail.comwrote:
>What is a troll. I was expressing
anger and dissapointment.

I was pissed off because I had such
high hopes for CSS, and (at first glance)
it started to look like deja-javascript all over again.

.... spent a few hours making a template.
It did validate. It did look different in
IE6, than on Firefox.

I will post it at some point.
Can't do it now.
Hi,

Did I hear someone ask 'What is a troll'?

http://www.andrews-corner.org/troll.html

Although you sound more frustrated than troll-like :-)

Andrew.
--

Andrew
http://www.andrews-corner.org/
Nov 15 '06 #8
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

[snip]
BTW, we newsgroup readers, who don't use that abominable Google
Groups interface would appreciate if you replied to the correct
posts, and didn't start new threads when a reply should be used.
Thanks for your consideration.
Looking at the message headers, it /was/ a reply and only the Subject
changed. It threads properly in Thunderbird - are you sure the problem
isn't with 40tude?

Mike
Nov 16 '06 #9
Michael Winter wrote:
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>BTW, we newsgroup readers, who don't use that abominable Google
Groups interface would appreciate if you replied to the correct
posts, and didn't start new threads when a reply should be used.
Thanks for your consideration.

Looking at the message headers, it /was/ a reply and only the Subject
changed. It threads properly in Thunderbird - are you sure the
problem isn't with 40tude?
Oh, you're right. My apologies. I have 40tude set to sort by Subject
line, and didn't notice it this time. Thanks.

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck
Nov 16 '06 #10
In article <3f********************************@4ax.com>,
Andrew <sorry.no.email@post_NG.comwrote:
On 15 Nov 2006 12:46:53 -0800, "sciontologist"
<Sa***************@gmail.comwrote:
What is a troll. I was expressing
anger and dissapointment.

I was pissed off because I had such
high hopes for CSS, and (at first glance)
it started to look like deja-javascript all over again.

.... spent a few hours making a template.
It did validate. It did look different in
IE6, than on Firefox.

I will post it at some point.
Can't do it now.

Hi,

Did I hear someone ask 'What is a troll'?

http://www.andrews-corner.org/troll.html

Although you sound more frustrated than troll-like :-)
Still, it is a condition that can be lessened. I know. I remember
well my first meeting:

I walked into it, chairs all in a circle, people already there:

"Hi, my name is dorayme... and I am a troll"

Believe me, it helped. I don't like the prayer stuff, but it is
still worth it...

--
dorayme
Nov 16 '06 #11
In article <11********************@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.co m>,
"sciontologist" <Sa***************@gmail.comwrote:

BTW, we newsgroup readers, who don't use that abominable Google Groups
interface would appreciate if you replied to the correct posts, and
didn't start new threads when a reply should be used. Thanks for your
consideration.

I do have a tendancy to do what ever the hell I like.
I did notice that valid css (once I got the DOCTYPES synched up)
looked essentially the same everywhere, on all browsers,
but *ONLY* if I used hard-coded pixel widths and locations.
And I don't like those because 400px means different things
at different resolutions.

And when I switched to percentage widths like:
width: 90%; the results stayed much the same on
Firefox and Safari, but STILL Looked awful on IE6
Did you consider trying em units instead of %? That seems to work
for me... (Not knowing exactly what differences you are seeing
are, makes it hard to give useful suggestions)
Nov 16 '06 #12

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