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Hi,

I am working on an intranet product based on html.
I want to use a special font that is not installed on most users PCs.
Is there a way of offering to down load a font? Most users will be
using Internet Explorer.

Francis

Oct 30 '06 #1
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On 30 Oct 2006 vi**@systar.fr wrote:
I want to use a special font
What does that mean, "special font"?
that is not installed on most users PCs.
Is there a way of offering to down load a font? Most users will be
using Internet Explorer.
Have a look at
http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/...i18n-weft.html

Oct 30 '06 #2

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vi**@systar.fr wrote:
Hi,

I am working on an intranet product based on html.
I want to use a special font that is not installed on most users PCs.
Is there a way of offering to down load a font? Most users will be
using Internet Explorer.

Francis
(The following addresses your issue with respect to the Internet. See
the bottom with respect to your intranet.)

*** Start Rant ***

You can provide a link on your Web site through which users can download
the font. Be sure that you have versions for PCs (Windows), Macs, and
Unix. Unless this is a font you created, also be sure you are not
violating a copyright or license.

I once encountered a Web page that used an unusual font and had such a
link. The page's owner had created the font himself. I still have the
font, but the Web site is now defunct. Thus, I can't direct you to his
site to see how he presented the font.

You might also wait until the Web Fonts specification for CSS3 is
finalized. This would allow you to provide the font temporarily to
visitors to your page, seamlessly embedded within the page. Again, you
must be sure the font does not have a restricted license that prohibits
embedding. Also, you must be prepared to wait; I don't expect this
specification to be finalized any time soon. There has been no activity
to advance it in four years. Although the comment period supposedly
closed 30 August 2002, comments were still being made the middle of this
year.

In the meantime, while some browser developers have implemented their
own proprietary capability for embedding fonts in Web pages, others are
waiting until W3C publishes its final recommendation on Web Fonts. You
might go with the proprietary implementation, but anyone in your
audience using a different browser will not see your desired font.

*** End Rant ***

Since you want to restrict this to an intranet, I must assume that
everyone seeing the page is within the same organization. Have your
system administrator install your desired font in all the computers in
the intranet. If the system -- intranet and individual computers -- is
properly configured, your system administrator should be able to do this
remotely without the users even knowing what happened.

--

David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

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Oct 30 '06 #3

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Andreas Prilop wrote:
On 30 Oct 2006 vi**@systar.fr wrote:
>I want to use a special font

What does that mean, "special font"?
>that is not installed on most users PCs.
Is there a way of offering to down load a font? Most users will be
using Internet Explorer.

Have a look at
http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/...i18n-weft.html
Flavell's report addresses font-embedding in Web pages when only
Internet Explorer (or its clones) are used. However, anyone using that
capability must first recognize that IE's share of the browser market
has dropped over the past three years to 60%-70%. That means any
implementation of this IE-only capability will leave 30%-40% of those
surfing the Web unable to see the intended font.
--

David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

Concerned about someone (e.g., Pres. Bush) snooping
into your E-mail? Use PGP.
See my <http://www.rossde.com/PGP/>
Oct 30 '06 #4

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David E. Ross wrote:
vi**@systar.fr wrote:
Hi,

I am working on an intranet product based on html.
I want to use a special font that is not installed on most users PCs.
Is there a way of offering to down load a font? Most users will be
using Internet Explorer.

Francis

(The following addresses your issue with respect to the Internet. See
the bottom with respect to your intranet.)

*** Start Rant ***

You can provide a link on your Web site through which users can download
the font. Be sure that you have versions for PCs (Windows), Macs, and
Unix. Unless this is a font you created, also be sure you are not
violating a copyright or license.

I once encountered a Web page that used an unusual font and had such a
link. The page's owner had created the font himself. I still have the
font, but the Web site is now defunct. Thus, I can't direct you to his
site to see how he presented the font.

You might also wait until the Web Fonts specification for CSS3 is
finalized. This would allow you to provide the font temporarily to
visitors to your page, seamlessly embedded within the page. Again, you
must be sure the font does not have a restricted license that prohibits
embedding. Also, you must be prepared to wait; I don't expect this
specification to be finalized any time soon. There has been no activity
to advance it in four years. Although the comment period supposedly
closed 30 August 2002, comments were still being made the middle of this
year.

In the meantime, while some browser developers have implemented their
own proprietary capability for embedding fonts in Web pages, others are
waiting until W3C publishes its final recommendation on Web Fonts. You
might go with the proprietary implementation, but anyone in your
audience using a different browser will not see your desired font.

*** End Rant ***

Since you want to restrict this to an intranet, I must assume that
everyone seeing the page is within the same organization. Have your
system administrator install your desired font in all the computers in
the intranet. If the system -- intranet and individual computers -- is
properly configured, your system administrator should be able to do this
remotely without the users even knowing what happened.

--

David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

Concerned about someone (e.g., Pres. Bush) snooping
into your E-mail? Use PGP.
See my <http://www.rossde.com/PGP/>
Thank you for your response. As it happens, I am neither on the www nor
on a local intranet where I can ask the system administrator to do
something. I am working on products that clients can install on their
own intranet. The product my company sells is guaranteed to work on
Internet Explorer. Anyway if users don't have the font it will not
prevent them from reading the page.
The font I want to install is one where digits appear looking like
7-bar displays (as in pocket calculators).

Oct 30 '06 #5

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vi**@systar.fr wrote:
Hi,

I am working on an intranet product based on html.
I want to use a special font that is not installed on most users PCs.
Is there a way of offering to down load a font? Most users will be
using Internet Explorer.

Francis
Out of curiosity, *why* do you want a 7-bar numeric display? It's not
particularly readable when compared to real fonts. Is it really worth
the effort to make an embedded font whose only function is to make your
application *less* usable?

Jeremy
Oct 31 '06 #6

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Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:03:11 -0800 from David E. Ross
<no****@nowhere.not>:
I once encountered a Web page that used an unusual font and had such a
link. The page's owner had created the font himself. I still have the
font, but the Web site is now defunct. Thus, I can't direct you to his
site to see how he presented the font.
http://www.archive.org doesn't have it?

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
HTML 4.01 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/
validator: http://validator.w3.org/
CSS 2.1 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/
validator: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
Why We Won't Help You:
http://diveintomark.org/archives/200..._wont_help_you
Oct 31 '06 #7

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vi**@systar.fr wrote:
David E. Ross wrote:
>vi**@systar.fr wrote:
>>Hi,

I am working on an intranet product based on html.
I want to use a special font that is not installed on most users PCs.
Is there a way of offering to down load a font? Most users will be
using Internet Explorer.

Francis
(The following addresses your issue with respect to the Internet. See
the bottom with respect to your intranet.)

*** Start Rant ***

You can provide a link on your Web site through which users can download
the font. Be sure that you have versions for PCs (Windows), Macs, and
Unix. Unless this is a font you created, also be sure you are not
violating a copyright or license.

I once encountered a Web page that used an unusual font and had such a
link. The page's owner had created the font himself. I still have the
font, but the Web site is now defunct. Thus, I can't direct you to his
site to see how he presented the font.

You might also wait until the Web Fonts specification for CSS3 is
finalized. This would allow you to provide the font temporarily to
visitors to your page, seamlessly embedded within the page. Again, you
must be sure the font does not have a restricted license that prohibits
embedding. Also, you must be prepared to wait; I don't expect this
specification to be finalized any time soon. There has been no activity
to advance it in four years. Although the comment period supposedly
closed 30 August 2002, comments were still being made the middle of this
year.

In the meantime, while some browser developers have implemented their
own proprietary capability for embedding fonts in Web pages, others are
waiting until W3C publishes its final recommendation on Web Fonts. You
might go with the proprietary implementation, but anyone in your
audience using a different browser will not see your desired font.

*** End Rant ***

Since you want to restrict this to an intranet, I must assume that
everyone seeing the page is within the same organization. Have your
system administrator install your desired font in all the computers in
the intranet. If the system -- intranet and individual computers -- is
properly configured, your system administrator should be able to do this
remotely without the users even knowing what happened.

--

David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

Concerned about someone (e.g., Pres. Bush) snooping
into your E-mail? Use PGP.
See my <http://www.rossde.com/PGP/>

Thank you for your response. As it happens, I am neither on the www nor
on a local intranet where I can ask the system administrator to do
something. I am working on products that clients can install on their
own intranet. The product my company sells is guaranteed to work on
Internet Explorer. Anyway if users don't have the font it will not
prevent them from reading the page.
The font I want to install is one where digits appear looking like
7-bar displays (as in pocket calculators).
Package the font with your product. Any intranet should have a system
administrator who can handle distributing the font.

Building a Web-based product that is targeted to IE is tying your
business to a fading star. See the charts and related discussion at my
<http://www.rossde.com/viewing_site.html>, starting with the heading
"Why?".

--

David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

Concerned about someone (e.g., Pres. Bush) snooping
into your E-mail? Use PGP.
See my <http://www.rossde.com/PGP/>
Oct 31 '06 #8

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Jeremy wrote:
vi**@systar.fr wrote:
Hi,

I am working on an intranet product based on html.
I want to use a special font that is not installed on most users PCs.
Is there a way of offering to down load a font? Most users will be
using Internet Explorer.

Francis

Out of curiosity, *why* do you want a 7-bar numeric display? It's not
particularly readable when compared to real fonts. Is it really worth
the effort to make an embedded font whose only function is to make your
application *less* usable?

Jeremy
Because I want to offer varied ways of displaying information, that are
adapted to the type of information displayed (example: countdown in
hours/minutes). Because I want some figures to attract attention on the
page. Because I saw the same somewhere and thought it looked cool.
Because that's the kind of thing I do for a living.

Francis

Oct 31 '06 #9

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VK
I am working on an intranet product based on html.
I want to use a special font that is not installed on most users PCs.
Is there a way of offering to down load a font? Most users will be
using Internet Explorer.
see
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html/msg/cc09d075c5568cab>

Oct 31 '06 #10

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In message <11*********************@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups. com>, Tue,
31 Oct 2006 02:58:10, vi**@systar.fr writes
>Jeremy wrote:
>Out of curiosity, *why* do you want a 7-bar numeric display? It's not
particularly readable when compared to real fonts. Is it really worth
the effort to make an embedded font whose only function is to make your
application *less* usable?
>Because I want to offer varied ways of displaying information, that are
adapted to the type of information displayed (example: countdown in
hours/minutes). Because I want some figures to attract attention on the
page. Because I saw the same somewhere and thought it looked cool.
Because that's the kind of thing I do for a living.
<URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/$$7seg.htmis a temporary test page
currently showing the seconds digit of a 7-segment click, but not with a
font (technically, it requires a font containing, IIRC, dot and
underline; and the result depends on the bounding-box, but not the
appearance, of those characters. Minor change would allow any font to
be used, provided that it has at least one character of non-zero size).
The means of determining the segments may be of some use even to those
who dislike the display method.

Perhaps one should make a set of transparent images of lit segments (and
one of the background?) and position those needed on top of each other,
in one pile per character (my js-anclk.htm does slightly similarly, for
the black hands of a clock).
It's a good idea to read news:comp.lang.javascript and its FAQ. See below.

--
(c) John Stockton, Surrey, UK. ?@merlyn.demon.co.uk Turnpike v6.05 IE 6
<URL:http://www.jibbering.com/faq/>? JL/RC: FAQ of news:comp.lang.javascript
<URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/js-index.htmjscr maths, dates, sources.
<URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/TP/BP/Delphi/jscr/&c, FAQ items, links.
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