Authoring tool recommendation

[dmarrese]

I am a parent volunteer for a swim team website (makoswim.org) and am
looking for a recommendation for a new web authoring tool .

While I am technically oriented and have somehave some knowledge of
HTML but not a deep techie. I want to give this site an extreme
makeover. The tool I've been using has probably outlived it's
usefulness (IBM Websphere Home Page Builder
- out of support).

I need something easy to use. I'd like to add multilevel menus, perhaps
a secure page for members, create surveys etc. Online tutorials or
education would be a plus however I don't have alot of disposable time
for a steep learning curve.

I played around with an older version of NetObjects Fusion V7 but found
it cumbersome. I am tempted to buy Dreamweaver but I'd like to hear
what this forum might recommend.

Lastly the other consideration is that I may only do this for another
year or
two and someone without any technical background may inherit.
THANKS in advance.

[Jack]

dm******@gmail.com wrote:

I am a parent volunteer for a swim team website (makoswim.org) and am
looking for a recommendation for a new web authoring tool .

What? No "Greetings" this time? Wah!

--
Jack.
http://www.jackpot.uk.net/

[Stan McCann]

dm******@gmail.com wrote in
news:11*********************@m79g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com:

I am a parent volunteer for a swim team website (makoswim.org) and
am looking for a recommendation for a new web authoring tool .

Any text editor.

While I am technically oriented and have somehave some knowledge of
HTML but not a deep techie. I want to give this site an extreme
makeover. The tool I've been using has probably outlived it's
usefulness (IBM Websphere Home Page Builder
- out of support).

I need something easy to use. I'd like to add multilevel menus,
perhaps a secure page for members, create surveys etc. Online
tutorials or education would be a plus however I don't have alot of
disposable time for a steep learning curve.

Then you should hire someone to do the pages. You are talking about
dynamic pages which will also require some programming. A good
question to ask a prospective developer would be "What doctype will
you use to create the pages?" If the person does not know what a
doctype is, run away. If you get any other answer rather than "HTML
4.01 strict", run away. The programming portion might be Perl, PHP or
some other server side language. If the prospective developer says
"javascript", "ASP", or some other client side language, run away.
Not knowing all of the languages available, simply ask whether it is
server side or client side. You need a server side language.

I played around with an older version of NetObjects Fusion V7 but
found it cumbersome. I am tempted to buy Dreamweaver but I'd like to
hear what this forum might recommend.

A text editor.

Lastly the other consideration is that I may only do this for
another year or
two and someone without any technical background may inherit.

There are no "good" WYSIWYMG editors. You wouldn't want to tearing
your car's engine apart with no knowledge of the mechanics involved;
so why would you (anyone) think that creating/editing/maintaining web
pages can be done with no knowledge of the languages and
specifications used.

Please don't multi-post. One post is enough, you don't need to post
the same message with multiple topics.

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http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
A zest for living must include a willingness to die. - R.A. Heinlein

[dmarrese]

Thanks for suggestion. Nothing is easy. I 'll need to either need
outsource or dig in and learn. Forgive the question but why the
aversion to client side languages?

Dominic
ps... Thought I was posting to two separate forums? Sorry about that is
I violated protocol.

Stan McCann wrote:

dm******@gmail.com wrote in
news:11*********************@m79g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com:

I am a parent volunteer for a swim team website (makoswim.org) and
am looking for a recommendation for a new web authoring tool .

Any text editor.

While I am technically oriented and have somehave some knowledge of
HTML but not a deep techie. I want to give this site an extreme
makeover. The tool I've been using has probably outlived it's
usefulness (IBM Websphere Home Page Builder
- out of support).

I need something easy to use. I'd like to add multilevel menus,
perhaps a secure page for members, create surveys etc. Online
tutorials or education would be a plus however I don't have alot of
disposable time for a steep learning curve.

Then you should hire someone to do the pages. You are talking about
dynamic pages which will also require some programming. A good
question to ask a prospective developer would be "What doctype will
you use to create the pages?" If the person does not know what a
doctype is, run away. If you get any other answer rather than "HTML
4.01 strict", run away. The programming portion might be Perl, PHP or
some other server side language. If the prospective developer says
"javascript", "ASP", or some other client side language, run away.
Not knowing all of the languages available, simply ask whether it is
server side or client side. You need a server side language.

I played around with an older version of NetObjects Fusion V7 but
found it cumbersome. I am tempted to buy Dreamweaver but I'd like to
hear what this forum might recommend.

A text editor.

Lastly the other consideration is that I may only do this for
another year or
two and someone without any technical background may inherit.

There are no "good" WYSIWYMG editors. You wouldn't want to tearing
your car's engine apart with no knowledge of the mechanics involved;
so why would you (anyone) think that creating/editing/maintaining web
pages can be done with no knowledge of the languages and
specifications used.

Please don't multi-post. One post is enough, you don't need to post
the same message with multiple topics.

--
Stan McCann, RETIRED!!, "Uncle Pirate" http://stanmccann.us/
Implementing negative score for googlegroup postings, see
http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
A zest for living must include a willingness to die. - R.A. Heinlein

[Alexander Huber]

Hi!

If you need a visual Web editor, Dreamweaver is a good choice, it
produces decent XHTML, has support for CSS layouts, web programming
languages, such as PHP5, and accessibility controls.

Alexander.
dm******@gmail.com wrote:

I am a parent volunteer for a swim team website (makoswim.org) and am
looking for a recommendation for a new web authoring tool .

While I am technically oriented and have somehave some knowledge of
HTML but not a deep techie. I want to give this site an extreme
makeover. The tool I've been using has probably outlived it's
usefulness (IBM Websphere Home Page Builder
- out of support).

I need something easy to use. I'd like to add multilevel menus, perhaps
a secure page for members, create surveys etc. Online tutorials or
education would be a plus however I don't have alot of disposable time
for a steep learning curve.

I played around with an older version of NetObjects Fusion V7 but found
it cumbersome. I am tempted to buy Dreamweaver but I'd like to hear
what this forum might recommend.

Lastly the other consideration is that I may only do this for another
year or
two and someone without any technical background may inherit.
THANKS in advance.

--
Alexander Huber
mailto:al*****@gmx.net

[David Dorward]

dm******@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks for suggestion. Nothing is easy. I 'll need to either need
outsource or dig in and learn. Forgive the question but why the
aversion to client side languages?

They are unreliable due to client support being optional (and not all that
infrequently disabled for various reasons, including security).

ps... Thought I was posting to two separate forums?

No. Just Usenet. http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/xpost.html is worth a
read.

On the subject of which, please don't post upside down:
http://allmyfaqs.net/faq.pl?How_to_post

--
David Dorward <http://blog.dorward.me.uk/ <http://dorward.me.uk/>
Home is where the ~/.bashrc is

[dmarrese]

David:

THANKS for pointers on USENET. Cheers.

[Joel Shepherd]

Stan McCann <[e-mail]:

If the person does not know what a
doctype is, run away. If you get any other answer rather than "HTML
4.01 strict", run away. The programming portion might be Perl, PHP or
some other server side language. If the prospective developer says
"javascript", "ASP", or some other client side language, run away.

What if the person confuses "ASP" with a client-side language? Sounds
like a "run away" tripwire to me; doesn't it to you?

--
Joel.

[Stan McCann]

Joel Shepherd <jo******@ix.netcom.comwrote in
news:jo****************************@news.west.eart hlink.net:

Stan McCann <[e-mail]:

>If the person does not know what a
doctype is, run away. If you get any other answer rather than
"HTML 4.01 strict", run away. The programming portion might be
Perl, PHP or some other server side language. If the prospective
developer says "javascript", "ASP", or some other client side
language, run away.

What if the person confuses "ASP" with a client-side language?
Sounds like a "run away" tripwire to me; doesn't it to you?

Duh. <cheeks flushed with embrrassment>It sure does sound that way.
Although I don't know ASP (and don't want to), the S is even there
being a give away.

--
Stan McCann, RETIRED!!, "Uncle Pirate" http://stanmccann.us/
Implementing negative score for googlegroup postings, see
http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
A zest for living must include a willingness to die. - R.A. Heinlein

[Jim Moe]

dm******@gmail.com wrote:

I am a parent volunteer for a swim team website (makoswim.org) and am
looking for a recommendation for a new web authoring tool .

On 4-Jun-2006 Michael Laplante gave us:
HTML for free:
jedit : http://www.jedit.org/
nedit : http://www.nedit.org/
ewisoft : http://www.ewisoft.com/
netpadd : http://www.netpadd.com/
araneae : http://www.ornj.net/software/araneae/
1st page : http://www.evrsoft.com/
crimson : http://crimsoneditor.com/
ezpad : http://www.mmedia.is/ezpad/
acehtml : http://software.visicommedia.com/en/...ehtmlfreeware/
notetab light : http://www.notetab.com/
html-kit : http://www.chami.com/html-kit/
context : http://www.fixedsys.com/context/
pspad : http://www.pspad.com/en/index.html
websmill : http://www.xtreeme.com/websmill/
metapad : http://www.liquidninja.com/metapad/
quanta (linux) : http://freeware.acehtml.com/
tswebeditor : http://tswebeditor.net.tc/
notespad : http://www.newbie.net/NotesPad/index.html
grey matter pro : http://www.pagetutor.com/misc/grey.html
editpad lite : http://www.editpadlite.com/editpadlite.html
stones webwrite : http://www.webwriter.dk/english/index.htm
matizha sublime :
http://www.dohnews.com/index.php?mod...&ceid=3&meid=4
nvu : http://www.nvu.com/
SciTE : http://scintilla.sourceforge.net/SciTE.html
Notepad++ : http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm
vim : http://www.vim.org/download.php
FCK-Editor : http://www.fckeditor.com/

HMTL not for free:
textpad : http://www.textpad.com/
notetab : http://www.notetab.com/
editplus : http://www.editplus.com/
ultraedit : http://www.idmcomp.com/
editpad : http://www.editpadpro.com/
hypertext studio: http://www.olsonsoft.com/
namo : http://www.namo.com/products/webeditor/
acehtml pro : http://www.visicommedia.com/acehtml/
ibm websphere : http://www-3.ibm.com/software/webservers/hpbuilder/
spider writer : http://www.actiprosoftware.com/Products/SpiderWriter/
Zues : http://www.zeusedit.com/

PHP for free
phpedit : http://phpedit.org/
Winsyntax : http://www.dirfile.com/arisesoft_winsyntax.htm
devphp : http://devphp.sourceforge.net/
phpcoder : http://www.phpide.com/programs.php
Davor's PHP Editor: http://www.pleskina.com/dphped/main.php
php designer : http://www.mpsoftware.dk/

PHP not for free:
phped : http://www.nusphere.com/products/
top php studio : http://www.top-systems.net/
dzsoft php editor: http://www.dzsoft.com/dzphp.htm
Expert Editor : http://www.ankord.com/phpxedit.html
komodo : http://www.activestate.com/Products/Komodo/
maguma studio/workbench: http://www.maguma.com/

PHP comming soon:
HydraPHP: http://www.coldmind.com/

XML for free:
xmlpro2 : http://www.vervet.com/
cooktop : http://www.xmlcooktop.com/
xray : http://architag.com/xray/
peters xml eiditor: http://www.iol.ie/~pxe/
morphon : http://www.morphon.com/xmleditor/index.shtml

XML not for free:
xopus : http://xopus.com/
editml : http://www.editml.com/
xmlwriter: http://www.xmlwriter.net/
oxygen pro: http://www.oxygenxml.com/
blueprint: http://www.xmlblueprint.com/
xmlspy : http://www.xmlspy.com/products_ide.html
turboxml: http://www.tibco.com/software/busine...n/turboxml.jsp

XML for free and not free
xmlmind : http://www.xmlmind.com/xmleditor/

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[Jeremy]

dm******@gmail.com wrote:

I am a parent volunteer for a swim team website (makoswim.org) and am
looking for a recommendation for a new web authoring tool .

While I am technically oriented and have somehave some knowledge of
HTML but not a deep techie. I want to give this site an extreme
makeover. The tool I've been using has probably outlived it's
usefulness (IBM Websphere Home Page Builder
- out of support).

I need something easy to use. I'd like to add multilevel menus, perhaps
a secure page for members, create surveys etc. Online tutorials or
education would be a plus however I don't have alot of disposable time
for a steep learning curve.

I played around with an older version of NetObjects Fusion V7 but found
it cumbersome. I am tempted to buy Dreamweaver but I'd like to hear
what this forum might recommend.

Lastly the other consideration is that I may only do this for another
year or
two and someone without any technical background may inherit.
THANKS in advance.

I think you want a CMS. Wordpress <http://www.wordpress.orgis a
popular and often-supported choice. Some web hosts will even install it
for you through a control panel option. You install it, pick a
template/theme, and go to town. No technical knowledge necessary.

The only other way to get the kind of functionality you want is to do
some server-side programming, which you probably don't have time to
learn. That means you'll have to hire someone to do it for you and
that's expensive.

Jeremy

[Adrienne Boswell]

Stan McCann wote:

Joel Shepherd <jo******@ix.netcom.comwrote in
news:jo****************************@news.west.eart hlink.net:

Stan McCann <[e-mail]:

If the person does not know what a
doctype is, run away. If you get any other answer rather than
"HTML 4.01 strict", run away. The programming portion might be
Perl, PHP or some other server side language. If the prospective
developer says "javascript", "ASP", or some other client side
language, run away.

What if the person confuses "ASP" with a client-side language?
Sounds like a "run away" tripwire to me; doesn't it to you?

Duh. <cheeks flushed with embrrassment>It sure does sound that way.
Although I don't know ASP (and don't want to), the S is even there
being a give away.

Sorry, I have to jump in here. I am an ASP developer. I write good,
clean code, and good clean markup. Of course, I use classic ASP, not
dot net, which seems to just be a server side version of Front Page,
with all the useless markup it creates. I also develop in PHP.

But, I agree with everything else. I actually turned down a coding
project because the designer insisted on abusing tables. Currently,
I'm redoing a site, server and client side to be clean and lean. So
there are a few of us ASP developers who have a conscience as well as a
brain.

--
Adrienne Boswell at work
Administrator nextBlock.com
http://atlas.nextblock.com/files/
Please respond to the group so others can share

[Stan McCann]

"Adrienne Boswell" <ar****@yahoo.comwrote in
news:11**********************@75g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com:

>
Stan McCann wote:

>Joel Shepherd <jo******@ix.netcom.comwrote in
news:jo****************************@news.west.ear thlink.net:

Stan McCann <[e-mail]:

If the person does not know what a
doctype is, run away. If you get any other answer rather than
"HTML 4.01 strict", run away. The programming portion might be
Perl, PHP or some other server side language. If the
prospective developer says "javascript", "ASP", or some other
client side language, run away.

What if the person confuses "ASP" with a client-side language?
Sounds like a "run away" tripwire to me; doesn't it to you?

Duh. <cheeks flushed with embrrassment>It sure does sound that
way. Although I don't know ASP (and don't want to), the S is even
there being a give away.

Sorry, I have to jump in here. I am an ASP developer. I write
good, clean code, and good clean markup. Of course, I use classic
ASP, not dot net, which seems to just be a server side version of
Front Page, with all the useless markup it creates. I also develop
in PHP.

I've nothing against ASP. I got confused thinking about ActiveX when
I lumped ASP with client-side scripting. I've also nothing against
client side scripts for fancying up a page, just not for content. I
browse with client side script blocking so am one of those that sees
all too many totally blank pages due to the entire page being
dependent on client side scripts.

As for .net, that's always scared me. I just don't trust Billy Bob
and his Redmondites.

But, I agree with everything else. I actually turned down a coding
project because the designer insisted on abusing tables. Currently,
I'm redoing a site, server and client side to be clean and lean. So
there are a few of us ASP developers who have a conscience as well
as a brain.

PHP too; I even validate the output of my PHP pages. I was talking to
my partner in a project I'm working on. We had hired out some PHP
coding to integrate with MySQL because I am weak in that area. I kind
of went off on a rant when I found that the guy that wrote the stuff
for us now wants to charge more for "debugging". So I was telling my
partner that one of the most upsetting things about it to me is that I
am *not quite* a perfectionist. If I had forgotten several routines
as this programmer did, I couldn't imagine asking for more money to
fix my mistakes. I do give him much credit for the work we got from
him; it was written clearly enough that I could easily make out what I
needed to include the missing routines.

I'm retired and not looking to learn any new languages although it
looks like I've already begun learning more about MySQL. With what I
do know, I put out the best quality work possible. As with the SQL, I
also learn what I need to, to keep that quality of work high.

--
Stan McCann, RETIRED!!, "Uncle Pirate" http://stanmccann.us/
Implementing negative score for googlegroup postings, see
http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
A zest for living must include a willingness to die. - R.A. Heinlein

[Andy Dingley]

Alexander Huber wrote:

If you need a visual Web editor, Dreamweaver is a good choice,

Costs too much for "amateur" developers, isn't a good enough code
generator for "professional" developers.