Sound and W3C

[Ben]

How do I add sound so that it plays automatically when the page is
loaded? My search turned up some references to <bgsound>, but it was
described as a Microsoft-designed tag. I prefer to stick to
non-properietary standards.

Also, is there a sound format that most browsers can play natively,
without a plug-in? The sound is 5-seconds, voice-only.

[David Dorward]

Ben wrote:

How do I add sound so that it plays automatically when the page is
loaded?

Eugh. Nasty. Horrible. My speakers are my own, don't touch them without
explicit permission! (This is not an uncommonly held view).

That said, the standard way to include media is with the <objectelement.

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[Jeremy]

David Dorward wrote:

Ben wrote:

>How do I add sound so that it plays automatically when the page is
loaded?

Eugh. Nasty. Horrible. My speakers are my own, don't touch them without
explicit permission! (This is not an uncommonly held view).

That said, the standard way to include media is with the <objectelement.

Agreed. If a website makes noise, I leave. It's a little rule I have.
Goes double for sound/video ads. If you want readers, do not put this
crap on your site.

Jeremy

[Neredbojias]

To further the education of mankind, "Ben" <sp******@hotmail.com>
vouchsafed:

How do I add sound so that it plays automatically when the page is
loaded?

I wonder how many people actually browse with their sound turned on?

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Infinity has its limits.

[Alan J. Flavell]

On Fri, 7 Jul 2006, Neredbojias wrote:

I wonder how many people actually browse with their sound turned on?

These days, many of our users spend time connected-in to
videoconferences, using personal videoconferencing stations based on
their peecee[1]. You can imagine how pleased they are if they do a
bit of web browsing on the side, and it comes blaring out into their
videoconference.

[1] particle physics research involves big international
collaborations - internet videoconferencing is an effective way to
keep in touch.

[Els]

Neredbojias wrote:

To further the education of mankind, "Ben" <sp******@hotmail.com>
vouchsafed:

>How do I add sound so that it plays automatically when the page is
loaded?

I wonder how many people actually browse with their sound turned on?

I do - otherwise I don't hear the music I'm playing :-)
And I hate it when some website builder thinks I want to hear their
stuff right through it, especially when there isn't a big fat red
button "stop the sound" in the center of the viewport.

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Now playing: Musical Youth - Pass The Dutchie

[Benjamin Niemann]

Neredbojias <http://www.neredbojias.com/fliam.php?cat=alt.htmlwrote:

To further the education of mankind, "Ben" <sp******@hotmail.com>
vouchsafed:

>How do I add sound so that it plays automatically when the page is
loaded?

I wonder how many people actually browse with their sound turned on?

It was pretty common that I was listening to music (mp3 or streaming) using
headphones at work. There was a particular website, which I was visiting
once in a while, that sometimes had a 'speaking ad'. It always scared the
hell out of me, when a person materialized directly behind me and spoke to
me, although I had not notice anyone coming into the room...
--
Benjamin Niemann
Email: pink at odahoda dot de
WWW: http://pink.odahoda.de/

[Andy Dingley]

Ben wrote:

How do I add sound so that it plays automatically when the page is
loaded?

You (generally) don't.

My search turned up some references to <bgsound>,

So use <bgsound>. Not many want it, those who do want it and will also
be prevented from it by lack of support for <bgsoundare a vanishingly
small group. Think of it as a feature, not a bug.

[Sherm Pendley]

Neredbojias <http://www.neredbojias.com/fliam.php?cat=alt.htmlwrites:

To further the education of mankind, "Ben" <sp******@hotmail.com>
vouchsafed:

>How do I add sound so that it plays automatically when the page is
loaded?

I wonder how many people actually browse with their sound turned on?

I do, I'm listening to music through headphones about half the time.

That's one reason why in-page sounds are such a bad idea - they tend to
make a horrible mess whenever something's already playing.

sherm--

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[Ben]

Thanks for the info about <object>. It seems to require a sound file
that runs off a plugin. Is there a sound format that browsers play
natively (maybe AIFF?), and does it still work with <object>?

I've thought of a way to make the page work with the sound optional,
but since it is such a small sound-bite (5 seconds of voice), I'm
hoping to avoid plugins.

David Dorward wrote:

Ben wrote:

How do I add sound so that it plays automatically when the page is
loaded?

Eugh. Nasty. Horrible. My speakers are my own, don't touch them without
explicit permission! (This is not an uncommonly held view).

That said, the standard way to include media is with the <objectelement.

--
David Dorward <http://blog.dorward.me.uk/ <http://dorward.me.uk/>
Home is where the ~/.bashrc is

[Harlan Messinger]

Ben wrote:

David Dorward wrote:

>Ben wrote:

>>How do I add sound so that it plays automatically when the page is
loaded?

Eugh. Nasty. Horrible. My speakers are my own, don't touch them without
explicit permission! (This is not an uncommonly held view).

That said, the standard way to include media is with the <objectelement.

Thanks for the info about <object>. It seems to require a sound file
that runs off a plugin. Is there a sound format that browsers play
natively (maybe AIFF?),

No.

[Neredbojias]

To further the education of mankind, "Alan J. Flavell"
<fl*****@physics.gla.ac.ukvouchsafed:

On Fri, 7 Jul 2006, Neredbojias wrote:

>I wonder how many people actually browse with their sound turned on?

These days, many of our users spend time connected-in to
videoconferences, using personal videoconferencing stations based on
their peecee[1]. You can imagine how pleased they are if they do a
bit of web browsing on the side, and it comes blaring out into their
videoconference.

'Tis probably like finding a charmed quark.

[1] particle physics research involves big international
collaborations - internet videoconferencing is an effective way to
keep in touch.

Just so much blah blah blah. Theoretical physics rules.

--
Neredbojias
Infinity has its limits.

[Neredbojias]

To further the education of mankind, Els <el*********@tiscali.nl>
vouchsafed:

>>How do I add sound so that it plays automatically when the page is
loaded?

I wonder how many people actually browse with their sound turned on?

I do - otherwise I don't hear the music I'm playing :-)
And I hate it when some website builder thinks I want to hear their
stuff right through it, especially when there isn't a big fat red
button "stop the sound" in the center of the viewport.

I agree, but can't you shut off the sound on your browser (-and turn it
back on again when you may want to?)

PS: I'm not asking as a point, I don't know - although I seem to remember
seeing such options somewhere.

--
Neredbojias
Infinity has its limits.

[Neredbojias]

To further the education of mankind, Benjamin Niemann <pi**@odahoda.de>
vouchsafed:

>>How do I add sound so that it plays automatically when the page is
loaded?

I wonder how many people actually browse with their sound turned on?

It was pretty common that I was listening to music (mp3 or streaming)
using headphones at work. There was a particular website, which I was
visiting once in a while, that sometimes had a 'speaking ad'. It
always scared the hell out of me, when a person materialized directly
behind me and spoke to me, although I had not notice anyone coming
into the room...

Hmm, no cure for that, I guess. Me, I just listen to the radio, if
anything.

--
Neredbojias
Infinity has its limits.

[Neredbojias]

To further the education of mankind, Sherm Pendley <sherm@Sherm-Pendleys-
Computer.localvouchsafed:

Neredbojias <http://www.neredbojias.com/fliam.php?cat=alt.htmlwrites:

>To further the education of mankind, "Ben" <sp******@hotmail.com>
vouchsafed:

>>How do I add sound so that it plays automatically when the page is
loaded?

I wonder how many people actually browse with their sound turned on?

I do, I'm listening to music through headphones about half the time.

That's one reason why in-page sounds are such a bad idea - they tend to
make a horrible mess whenever something's already playing.

I'm basically agin' anything which starts <cringe>automatically</cringein
a page. It's also why I don't use Flash and won't until most of it is
truly optional. Those ?designers? which markup crap like that in their
pages are really clueless.

--
Neredbojias
Infinity has its limits.

[Els]

Neredbojias wrote:

To further the education of mankind, Els <el*********@tiscali.nl>
vouchsafed:

>>>How do I add sound so that it plays automatically when the page is
loaded?

I wonder how many people actually browse with their sound turned on?

I do - otherwise I don't hear the music I'm playing :-)
And I hate it when some website builder thinks I want to hear their
stuff right through it, especially when there isn't a big fat red
button "stop the sound" in the center of the viewport.

I agree, but can't you shut off the sound on your browser (-and turn it
back on again when you may want to?)

Not that I know of, but then again, I never investigated all the
options of the various browsers. I know Opera started talking to me
the other day when I accidentally hit a shortcut, but other than
that... they don't seem to do much with sound :-)

PS: I'm not asking as a point, I don't know - although I seem to remember
seeing such options somewhere.

No such memories here ;-)

--
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accessible web design: http://locusoptimus.com/

Now playing: Dave Edmunds - Paralyzed

[David E. Ross]

Ben wrote:

How do I add sound so that it plays automatically when the page is
loaded? My search turned up some references to <bgsound>, but it was
described as a Microsoft-designed tag. I prefer to stick to
non-properietary standards.

Also, is there a sound format that most browsers can play natively,
without a plug-in? The sound is 5-seconds, voice-only.

Don't!! Instead, provide a link to users, with text indicating they
should select that link if they want to hear your voice.

I find the many sounds of Micro$oft applications to be very annoying, so
I generally have my speakers turned off. I usually turn them on when I
want to listen to music, either from a CD or from the Web via
RealPlayer. I really don't want to hear your voice over a Beethoven
symphony or (horrors) "Carmina Burana".

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[Stephen Poley]

On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 12:54:05 +0200, Els <el*********@tiscali.nlwrote:

>Neredbojias wrote:

>I agree, but can't you shut off the sound on your browser (-and turn it
back on again when you may want to?)

Not that I know of, but then again, I never investigated all the
options of the various browsers. I know Opera started talking to me
the other day when I accidentally hit a shortcut, but other than
that... they don't seem to do much with sound :-)

>PS: I'm not asking as a point, I don't know - although I seem to remember
seeing such options somewhere.

No such memories here ;-)

In Opera one can do this in the quick-preferences menu - F12.

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Stephen Poley

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