Stacking problem in IE

[Axel Siebenwirth]

Hi,

I have implemented CSS dropdown menus. But there is one problem now with
IE6... When I hover over a menu item and the sub-menu opens and then I
want to move over the submenu, the submenu disappears... :(

Works in FF. The page validates as XHTML 1.0 Strict.

Thank you for your help!

Best regards,
Axel

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[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Axel Siebenwirth wrote:

I have implemented CSS dropdown menus. But there is one problem now
with IE6... When I hover over a menu item and the sub-menu opens and
then I want to move over the submenu, the submenu disappears... :(

Works in FF. The page validates as XHTML 1.0 Strict.

You forgot the URL.

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[Axel Siebenwirth]

Axel Siebenwirth wrote:

Hi,

I have implemented CSS dropdown menus. But there is one problem now with
IE6... When I hover over a menu item and the sub-menu opens and then I
want to move over the submenu, the submenu disappears... :(

Oops, the URL is http://www.refugio-thueringen.de/dev/.

The CSS is at http://www.refugio-thueringen.de/dev/basic.css.

Thank you!

>
Works in FF. The page validates as XHTML 1.0 Strict.

Thank you for your help!

Best regards,
Axel

--
By three methods we may learn wisdom:
First, by reflection, which is noblest;
Second, by imitation, which is easiest;
and third by experience, which is the bitterest.

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Axel Siebenwirth wrote:

Axel Siebenwirth wrote:

>Hi,

I have implemented CSS dropdown menus. But there is one problem now with
IE6... When I hover over a menu item and the sub-menu opens and then I
want to move over the submenu, the submenu disappears... :(

Oops, the URL is http://www.refugio-thueringen.de/dev/.

Not only does the submenu disappear, when visible it is nearly
transparent and very hard to read.

A quick glance ... you have almost everything set with pixel-precision
positioning. I for one would not want to debug that.

If JavaScript is disabled in IE, there is no submenu at all. You've lost
about 10% of your visitors.

Regarding your hard-coded fonts, see this page:
http://k75s.home.att.net/fontsize.html

The CSS is at http://www.refugio-thueringen.de/dev/basic.css.

You've not assigned a body background color, so I see my ugly default
purple.

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-bts
-Warning: I brake for lawn deer

[Axel Siebenwirth]

Hi,

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Axel Siebenwirth wrote:

>Axel Siebenwirth wrote:

>>Hi,

I have implemented CSS dropdown menus. But there is one problem now with
IE6... When I hover over a menu item and the sub-menu opens and then I
want to move over the submenu, the submenu disappears... :(

Oops, the URL is http://www.refugio-thueringen.de/dev/.

Not only does the submenu disappear, when visible it is nearly
transparent and very hard to read.

Yes. I don't know why. Does anybody have an idea how to fix this?

A quick glance ... you have almost everything set with pixel-precision
positioning. I for one would not want to debug that.

That has nothing to do with submenu-transparency/-disappearing problem I
guess.

If JavaScript is disabled in IE, there is no submenu at all. You've lost
about 10% of your visitors.

The Javascript is only for IE since it doesn't support hover for
anything else then "a". So this fix is needed. Otherwise I wouldn't have
a dropdown menu at all. Most of the dropdowns in the web are completely
javascript so I am pretty good with my CSS menu.

Regarding your hard-coded fonts, see this page:
http://k75s.home.att.net/fontsize.html

But Verdana looks so nice ;)

>The CSS is at http://www.refugio-thueringen.de/dev/basic.css.

You've not assigned a body background color, so I see my ugly default
purple.

Fixed. Background is white now. You set your default background-color to
purple to see what pages don't set their background-color? ;)

Regards,
Axel
--
By three methods we may learn wisdom:
First, by reflection, which is noblest;
Second, by imitation, which is easiest;
and third by experience, which is the bitterest.

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Axel Siebenwirth wrote:

Hi,

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

>Axel Siebenwirth wrote:

>>Axel Siebenwirth wrote:
Hi,

I have implemented CSS dropdown menus. But there is one problem
now with IE6... When I hover over a menu item and the sub-menu
opens and then I want to move over the submenu, the submenu
disappears... :(
Oops, the URL is http://www.refugio-thueringen.de/dev/.

Not only does the submenu disappear, when visible it is nearly
transparent and very hard to read.

Yes. I don't know why. Does anybody have an idea how to fix this?

Your /dev/ pages seem to have disappeared?

>A quick glance ... you have almost everything set with
pixel-precision positioning. I for one would not want to debug that.

That has nothing to do with submenu-transparency/-disappearing
problem I guess.

Transparency, no. Disappearing, possibly. The pixel-jogging bugs of IE
may be the reason. When the cursor is moved, the menu jogs, and is no
longer under the 'hover' position. That's a guess.

>If JavaScript is disabled in IE, there is no submenu at all. You've
lost about 10% of your visitors.

The Javascript is only for IE since it doesn't support hover for
anything else then "a". So this fix is needed. Otherwise I wouldn't
have a dropdown menu at all. Most of the dropdowns in the web are
completely javascript so I am pretty good with my CSS menu.

You may be able to set the <ato display: block and eliminate the need
for most of the JavaScript.

>Regarding your hard-coded fonts, see this page:
http://k75s.home.att.net/fontsize.html

But Verdana looks so nice ;)

Unless the visitor doesn't have it...

>>The CSS is at http://www.refugio-thueringen.de/dev/basic.css.

You've not assigned a body background color, so I see my ugly
default purple.

Fixed. Background is white now. You set your default background-color
to purple to see what pages don't set their background-color? ;)

Of course!

--
-bts
-Warning: I brake for lawn deer

[Axel Siebenwirth]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Axel Siebenwirth wrote:

>Hi,

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

>>Axel Siebenwirth wrote:

Axel Siebenwirth wrote:
Hi,
>
I have implemented CSS dropdown menus. But there is one problem
now with IE6... When I hover over a menu item and the sub-menu
opens and then I want to move over the submenu, the submenu
disappears... :(
Oops, the URL is http://www.refugio-thueringen.de/dev/.
Not only does the submenu disappear, when visible it is nearly
transparent and very hard to read.

Yes. I don't know why. Does anybody have an idea how to fix this?

Your /dev/ pages seem to have disappeared?

I put it in the root now even though I am not quite finished yet...
www.refugio-thueringen.de

>

>>A quick glance ... you have almost everything set with
pixel-precision positioning. I for one would not want to debug that.

That has nothing to do with submenu-transparency/-disappearing
problem I guess.

Transparency, no. Disappearing, possibly. The pixel-jogging bugs of IE
may be the reason. When the cursor is moved, the menu jogs, and is no
longer under the 'hover' position. That's a guess.

>>If JavaScript is disabled in IE, there is no submenu at all. You've
lost about 10% of your visitors.

The Javascript is only for IE since it doesn't support hover for
anything else then "a". So this fix is needed. Otherwise I wouldn't
have a dropdown menu at all. Most of the dropdowns in the web are
completely javascript so I am pretty good with my CSS menu.

You may be able to set the <ato display: block and eliminate the need
for most of the JavaScript.

See http://www.alistapart.com/articles/horizdropdowns/ especially the
section "Making it work"...

>

>>Regarding your hard-coded fonts, see this page:
http://k75s.home.att.net/fontsize.html

But Verdana looks so nice ;)

Unless the visitor doesn't have it...

>>>The CSS is at http://www.refugio-thueringen.de/dev/basic.css.
You've not assigned a body background color, so I see my ugly
default purple.

Fixed. Background is white now. You set your default background-color
to purple to see what pages don't set their background-color? ;)

Of course!

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By three methods we may learn wisdom:
First, by reflection, which is noblest;
Second, by imitation, which is easiest;
and third by experience, which is the bitterest.

[Eric B. Bednarz]

Axel Siebenwirth <no****@nospam.comwrites:

See http://www.alistapart.com/articles/horizdropdowns/ especially the
section "Making it work"...

Admittedly, it generally kind of works if you disable CSS.

* no keyboard navigation
* it's idiotic to rely on script (IE) to reveal content that was removed
by CSS in the first place
* 'CSS dropdowns' are the joy of the UI clue-challenged;
*if* you think you need a 'dropdown' menu, you *do* need timeouts for
showing as well as hiding them as well -- everything else is a
usability and accessibility nightmare
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