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how to make my website show in google when certain keywords searched

How can I make google show a link to my website when words are entred
into its search field that don't actually appear in the main page
of/anywhere in my website.

I think these keywords need to be put somewhere not in the body of the
index.html page and I think something called "meta data" is needed but
don't know if this is right.

Any help very much appreciated.

AM

Jun 25 '06 #1
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<ad***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:11**********************@c74g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
How can I make google show a link to my website when words are entred
into its search field that don't actually appear in the main page
of/anywhere in my website.

I think these keywords need to be put somewhere not in the body of the
index.html page and I think something called "meta data" is needed but
don't know if this is right.

Any help very much appreciated.

AM


Do a Google search on Search Engine Placement. You'll find loads of
information!
Jun 26 '06 #2
ad***@hotmail.com wrote:
How can I make google show a link to my website when words are entred
into its search field that don't actually appear in the main page
of/anywhere in my website.
The short answer is "You don't". (Although if a user searched for
(e.g.) "consider" and you have "considered" then I believe it will
match).
I think these keywords need to be put somewhere not in the body of the
index.html page and I think something called "meta data" is needed but
don't know if this is right.


Meta tags have been so abused that search engines pay next to no
attention to them.

Jun 26 '06 #3

David Dorward wrote:
ad***@hotmail.com wrote:
How can I make google show a link to my website when words are entred
into its search field that don't actually appear in the main page
of/anywhere in my website.


The short answer is "You don't". (Although if a user searched for
(e.g.) "consider" and you have "considered" then I believe it will
match).
I think these keywords need to be put somewhere not in the body of the
index.html page and I think something called "meta data" is needed but
don't know if this is right.


Meta tags have been so abused that search engines pay next to no
attention to them.


Dear sirs,
So therefore because of this, you no longer need to use the Meta
keyword tag in order to get placed in a search engine. You may be able
to put these words into a hidden div, but that is the closest I can
think of to having displayable text that isn't displayed. Just create
a div like this:
<div name="keywords" style="position:absolute;visibility:hidden">
your keywords that you want hidden
</div>

If you later want to reveal that text, you can just use JavaScript like
this to change it:
window.document.all.keywords.visibility = "visible";

Jun 26 '06 #4
Gazing into my crystal ball I observed
"pe********************@gmail.com" <pe********************@gmail.com>
writing in news:11**********************@y41g2000cwy.googlegr oups.com:
Meta tags have been so abused that search engines pay next to no
attention to them.
Dear sirs,
So therefore because of this, you no longer need to use the Meta
keyword tag in order to get placed in a search engine. You may be able
to put these words into a hidden div, but that is the closest I can
think of to having displayable text that isn't displayed. Just create
a div like this:
<div name="keywords" style="position:absolute;visibility:hidden">
your keywords that you want hidden
</div>


Google and other search engines will penalize you for hidden keywords.
This is the same thing as white text on white background. The bots have
been trained to spot it.

If you later want to reveal that text, you can just use JavaScript like
this to change it:
window.document.all.keywords.visibility = "visible";


And for users who do not have javascript available, how are they going to
see it?

The best thing to do is use sematically correct markup, and put your
keywords into the actual content. Don't try to play games with the bots,
they win every time.

--
Adrienne Boswell at Home
Arbpen Web Site Design Services
http://www.cavalcade-of-coding.info
Please respond to the group so others can share

Jun 26 '06 #5
In our last episode,
<11**********************@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups .com>, the lovely and
talented ad***@hotmail.com broadcast on comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html:
How can I make google show a link to my website when words are entred
into its search field that don't actually appear in the main page
of/anywhere in my website.


Would there be any reason you would want to do that which is not deceptive?
--
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"We have no opinion on your Arab - Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with
Kuwait." -- Bush's Ambassador April Glaspie, giving Saddam Hussein
the greenlight to invade Kuwait.
Jun 26 '06 #6
Adrienne Boswell wrote:
Google and other search engines will penalize you for hidden keywords.
This is the same thing as white text on white background. The bots have
been trained to spot it.
If you later want to reveal that text, you can just use JavaScript like
this to change it:
window.document.all.keywords.visibility = "visible";


How about <noscript> ?
I've noticed some sites using this to target (or spam) search engines.
Most browsers certainly don't show it - I'm not sure if they do with
javascript disabled, or not.
Do google penalise for that, or not ?
Jun 26 '06 #7
Chris Sharman wrote:
Adrienne Boswell wrote:
Google and other search engines will penalize you for hidden
keywords. This is the same thing as white text on white background.
The bots have been trained to spot it.
How about <noscript> ?
I've noticed some sites using this to target (or spam) search engines.
Most browsers certainly don't show it


...those with JavaScript enabled won't render <noscript> blocks. The
other 10% will render it.
- I'm not sure if they do with javascript disabled, or not.
Try it. Add <noscript>Can I see this?</noscript>
to your web page, then disable JavaScript.
Do google penalise for that, or not ?


If it was keyword stuffing, I would. :-)

--
-bts
-Warning: I brake for lawn deer
Jun 26 '06 #8
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Chris Sharman wrote:
How about <noscript> ?
I've noticed some sites using this to target (or spam) search engines.
Most browsers certainly don't show it


..those with JavaScript enabled won't render <noscript> blocks. The
other 10% will render it.
- I'm not sure if they do with javascript disabled, or not.


Try it. Add <noscript>Can I see this?</noscript>
to your web page, then disable JavaScript.


Yes - certainly it's visible in ie6 & fx - I seem to remember some
earlier ie behaved differently, but that's 10% of 2% these days.
Do google penalise for that, or not ?

If it was keyword stuffing, I would. :-)


I'll find out - we've reported it to google, and I'll see what they do.
No names, no pack drill at this stage, but if they don't straighten our
rivals out, then our copying their behaviour would be a business
imperative. Working through other search engines too.

The <noscript> text in question (names changed) is "owned by John, with
no links to Tom, Dick, Harry, Jemima, Bill, Ted" - which puts them on
page 1 of searches for most of the others, anywhere from 1st down ...

Chris
Jun 27 '06 #9
> How about <noscript> ?

If one really wanna go down that route... Cloaking
is probably better... I will not recommend it though :-)

Another option to the OP could be PPC / Google Adwords?

--
best regards
Thomas Schulz
http://www.micro-sys.dk/products/sitemap-generator/
http://www.micro-sys.dk/products/website-download/
Jun 27 '06 #10
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<11**********************@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups .com>, the lovely and
talented ad***@hotmail.com broadcast on comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html:
How can I make google show a link to my website when words are entred
into its search field that don't actually appear in the main page
of/anywhere in my website.


Would there be any reason you would want to do that which is not deceptive?


We tend to do it for stationary - we sell stationery, but we find some
40% of people searching can't spell it - or maybe more if we're lower
down the results page for the misspelling !

If there's a "right" way to do it, I'd be interested.

Chris
Jun 27 '06 #11
Chris Sharman wrote:
We tend to do it for stationary - we sell stationery, but we find
some 40% of people searching can't spell it - or maybe more if we're
lower down the results page for the misspelling !

If there's a "right" way to do it, I'd be interested.


How about:

"We sell stationary stationery.
It does not move until you use it."

and:

"A free dictionery included with each purchase!"

--
-bts
-Continually amazed at the number of
-college graduates who cannot spell
Jun 27 '06 #12
Els
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Chris Sharman wrote:
We tend to do it for stationary - we sell stationery, but we find
some 40% of people searching can't spell it - or maybe more if we're
lower down the results page for the misspelling !

If there's a "right" way to do it, I'd be interested.


How about:

"We sell stationary stationery.
It does not move until you use it."

and:

"A free dictionery included with each purchase!"


and:

"... as well as a free dictionary!"

(SCNR)
--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
accessible web design: http://locusoptimus.com/
Jun 27 '06 #13
Els wrote:
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
and:

"A free dictionery included with each purchase!"


and:

"... as well as a free dictionary!"

(SCNR)


Neither could I, which is why I spelled it that way. ;-)

--
-bts
-Warning: I brake for lawn deer
Jun 27 '06 #14
On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:28:02 +0100, Chris Sharman
<ch***********@sorry.nospam> wrote:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<11**********************@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups .com>, the lovely and
talented ad***@hotmail.com broadcast on comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html:
How can I make google show a link to my website when words are entred
into its search field that don't actually appear in the main page
of/anywhere in my website.


Would there be any reason you would want to do that which is not deceptive?


We tend to do it for stationary - we sell stationery, but we find some
40% of people searching can't spell it - or maybe more if we're lower
down the results page for the misspelling !

If there's a "right" way to do it, I'd be interested.


Include a sidebar saying something like "Did you know that 40% of people
misspell 'stationery' as 'stationary'?"

--
Stephen Poley

http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/
Jun 27 '06 #15
In message <sl********************@goodwill.io.com>, Lars Eighner
<us****@larseighner.com> writes
How can I make google show a link to my website when words are entred
into its search field that don't actually appear in the main page
of/anywhere in my website.


Would there be any reason you would want to do that which is not
deceptive?


....or which is of benefit to the person doing the searching?

--
Andy Mabbett
Say "NO!" to compulsory ID Cards: <http://www.no2id.net/>

Free Our Data: <http://www.freeourdata.org.uk>
Jun 27 '06 #16
Yes, my reason is neither decaptive and is of benefit for the people
searching.

It is of benefit for the people searching because it is a specialised
job web site and they may be entering other types of job info. It is
not deceptive for the same reason. I was really amazed that it should
be thought of as deceptive!
Andy Mabbett wrote:
In message <sl********************@goodwill.io.com>, Lars Eighner
<us****@larseighner.com> writes
How can I make google show a link to my website when words are entred
into its search field that don't actually appear in the main page
of/anywhere in my website.


Would there be any reason you would want to do that which is not
deceptive?


...or which is of benefit to the person doing the searching?

--
Andy Mabbett
Say "NO!" to compulsory ID Cards: <http://www.no2id.net/>

Free Our Data: <http://www.freeourdata.org.uk>


Jun 27 '06 #17
Gazing into my crystal ball I observed ad***@hotmail.com writing in
news:11*********************@m73g2000cwd.googlegro ups.com:
Yes, my reason is neither decaptive and is of benefit for the people
searching.

It is of benefit for the people searching because it is a specialised
job web site and they may be entering other types of job info. It is
not deceptive for the same reason. I was really amazed that it should
be thought of as deceptive!


Then, in that case, you could make a special area of the page and include
these keywords in it, eg:
<h2>-- You may be interested in these jobs as well --</h2>
<p>Butcher, Baker, Candlestick Maker</p>

Or if you are keeping track of keywords used:
<h2>-- Other people have searched for -- </h2>
<p>Police, Fireman, Doctor, Lawyer</p>

--
Adrienne Boswell at Home
Arbpen Web Site Design Services
http://www.cavalcade-of-coding.info
Please respond to the group so others can share

Jun 28 '06 #18

Adrienne Boswell wrote:
Gazing into my crystal ball I observed
"pe********************@gmail.com" <pe********************@gmail.com>
writing in news:11**********************@y41g2000cwy.googlegr oups.com:
Meta tags have been so abused that search engines pay next to no
attention to them.


Dear sirs,
So therefore because of this, you no longer need to use the Meta
keyword tag in order to get placed in a search engine. You may be able
to put these words into a hidden div, but that is the closest I can
think of to having displayable text that isn't displayed. Just create
a div like this:
<div name="keywords" style="position:absolute;visibility:hidden">
your keywords that you want hidden
</div>


Google and other search engines will penalize you for hidden keywords.
This is the same thing as white text on white background. The bots have
been trained to spot it.

If you later want to reveal that text, you can just use JavaScript like
this to change it:
window.document.all.keywords.visibility = "visible";


And for users who do not have javascript available, how are they going to
see it?

The best thing to do is use sematically correct markup, and put your
keywords into the actual content. Don't try to play games with the bots,
they win every time.

--
Adrienne Boswell at Home
Arbpen Web Site Design Services
http://www.cavalcade-of-coding.info
Please respond to the group so others can share


Dear sir,
They only win after the fact that many have made them lose. Thank you
for the correction, as I have not really kept up with SEO techniques,
therefore limiting my knowledge of searchbots.

I have the honor to remain your most humble and Ob't Sv't in our war
against the King.

--
Patrick Reilly
1st Coy.
Colonel Seth Warner's Regiment

Jun 28 '06 #19
David Dorward wrote:

Meta tags have been so abused that search engines pay next to no
attention to them.


I have heard this in a number of newsgroups, but never with any sort of
cite. Can you give some link that I can relay to some folks I know who
don't know about this and won't just take my word for it?

Thanks,
Christine
Jun 28 '06 #20
Chris Sharman <ch***********@sorry.nospam> writes:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<11**********************@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups .com>, the lovely and
talented ad***@hotmail.com broadcast on comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html:
How can I make google show a link to my website when words are entred
into its search field that don't actually appear in the main page
of/anywhere in my website.

Would there be any reason you would want to do that which is not
deceptive?


We tend to do it for stationary - we sell stationery, but we find some
40% of people searching can't spell it - or maybe more if we're lower
down the results page for the misspelling !

If there's a "right" way to do it, I'd be interested.


I'd write a little "did you know" box on every page that mentions that 40%
number. That would not only give the word "stationary" a legitimate reason to
be on your page, it would also help clear up the misconception.

sherm--

--
Cocoa programming in Perl: http://camelbones.sourceforge.net
Hire me! My resume: http://www.dot-app.org
Jun 30 '06 #21

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