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i know that there are die hard mark uppers that use notepad or some
other plain editors...as far as graphic editors are concerned what are
some reccomendations both commercial and if any freeware

Apr 7 '06 #1
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rich wrote:
i know that there are die hard mark uppers that use notepad or some
other plain editors...as far as graphic editors are concerned what are
some reccomendations both commercial and if any freeware


Try Nvu at <http://www.nvu.com/>. I'm too used to hand-coding my HTML,
and I don't like the way the HTML generated by Nvu looks. However, when
I experimented with it, it generally created pages that successfully
validate at <http://validator.w3.org/>.

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Apr 7 '06 #2
rich wrote:
i know that there are die hard mark uppers that use notepad or some
other plain editors...as far as graphic editors are concerned what are
some reccomendations both commercial and if any freeware.


Hereby a list of editors.
HTML for free:
jedit: http://www.jedit.org/
nedit: http://www.nedit.org/
ewisoft: http://www.ewisoft.com/
netpadd: http://www.netpadd.com/
araneae: http://www.ornj.net/software/araneae/
1st page: http://www.evrsoft.com/
crimson: http://crimsoneditor.com/
ezpad: http://www.mmedia.is/ezpad/
acehtml: http://software.visicommedia.com/en/...ehtmlfreeware/
notetab light: http://www.notetab.com/
html-kit: http://www.chami.com/html-kit/
context: http://www.fixedsys.com/context/
pspad: http://www.pspad.com/en/index.html
websmill: http://www.xtreeme.com/websmill/
metapad: http://www.liquidninja.com/metapad/
quanta (linux): http://freeware.acehtml.com/
tswebeditor: http://tswebeditor.net.tc/
notespad: http://www.newbie.net/NotesPad/index.html
grey matter pro: http://www.pagetutor.com/misc/grey.html
editpad lite: http://www.editpadlite.com/editpadlite.html
stones webwrite: http://www.webwriter.dk/english/index.htm
matizha sublime:
http://www.dohnews.com/index.php?mod...&ceid=3&meid=4
nvu: http://www.nvu.com/

HMTL not for free:
textpad: http://www.textpad.com/
notetab: http://www.notetab.com/
editplus: http://www.editplus.com/
ultraedit: http://www.idmcomp.com/
editpad: http://www.editpadpro.com/
hypertext studio: http://www.olsonsoft.com/
namo: http://www.namo.com/products/webeditor/
acehtml pro: http://www.visicommedia.com/acehtml/
ibm websphere: http://www-3.ibm.com/software/webservers/hpbuilder/
spider writer: http://www.actiprosoftware.com/Products/SpiderWriter/

PHP for free
phpedit: http://phpedit.org/
Winsyntax: http://www.dirfile.com/arisesoft_winsyntax.htm
devphp: http://devphp.sourceforge.net/
phpcoder: http://www.phpide.com/programs.php
Davor's PHP Editor: http://www.pleskina.com/dphped/main.php

PHP not for free:
phped: http://www.nusphere.com/products/
top php studio: http://www.top-systems.net/
dzsoft php editor: http://www.dzsoft.com/dzphp.htm
Expert Editor: http://www.ankord.com/phpxedit.html
komodo: http://www.activestate.com/Products/Komodo/
maguma studio/workbench: http://www.maguma.com/

PHP comming soon:
HydraPHP: http://www.coldmind.com/

XML for free:
xmlpro2: http://www.vervet.com/
cooktop: http://www.xmlcooktop.com/
xray: http://architag.com/xray/
peters xml eiditor: http://www.iol.ie/~pxe/
morphon: http://www.morphon.com/xmleditor/index.shtml

XML not for free:
xopus: http://xopus.com/
editml: http://www.editml.com/
xmlwriter: http://www.xmlwriter.net/
oxygen pro: http://www.oxygenxml.com/
blueprint: http://www.xmlblueprint.com/
xmlspy: http://www.xmlspy.com/products_ide.html
turboxml: http://www.tibco.com/software/busine...n/turboxml.jsp

XML for free and not free
xmlmind: http://www.xmlmind.com/xmleditor/
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Apr 8 '06 #3
Edwin van der Vaart wrote:
Hereby a list of editors.


How come you didn't mention Scinbtilla/SciTE? :)

<http://scintilla.sourceforge.net/SciTE.html>

And there's also notepad++, based on the Scintilla text editing
component, but with a reduced GUI.

<http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/>

--
Bart.
Apr 8 '06 #4
Greetings.

In article <11*********************@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups. com>, rich
wrote:
i know that there are die hard mark uppers that use notepad or some
other plain editors...as far as graphic editors are concerned what are
some reccomendations both commercial and if any freeware


What do you mean by "graphic editors"? You mean an editor for graphics, or
a text editor with a graphical user interface?

In the former case, Adobe Photoshop is probably the most popular
proprietary program, but also quite expensive. The GIMP is probably the
most popular free program.

In the latter case, Emacsen and vi-like editors are extensible and quite
popular. They have been widely ported and have optional GUIs. For
editing HTML, XHTML, XML, and CSS I use XEmacs.

Regards,
Tristan

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Apr 9 '06 #5
> what are some reccomendations both commercial
and if any freeware


The Zeus for Windows:

http://www.zeusedit.com

It does code folding, smart indenting and syntax
highlighting. It also has features like project
workspace mangement, seamless ftp editing etc.

Jussi Jumppanen
Author of: Zeus for Windows
NOTE: Zeus is shareware (45 day trial period)

Apr 9 '06 #6
David E. Ross wrote:
Try Nvu at <http://www.nvu.com/>. I'm too used to hand-coding my HTML,
and I don't like the way the HTML generated by Nvu looks. However, when
I experimented with it, it generally created pages that successfully
validate at <http://validator.w3.org/>.


Note that despite generating valid markup as a rule, Nvu does not
generate markup that does not comply with HTML specifications: it
generates DOCTYPE declarations without the URL part. This would be
harmless as such, if browsers didn't do DOCTYPE sniffing. An
Nvu-generated document throws IE into "quirks" mode, when Transitional
is used (and I think it's still the default in Nvu).

Solutions include
- selecting Strict DOCTYPE in Nvu, no matter what markup you actually
use (the selection only affects the DOCTYPE declaration that Nvu
inserts, not the way Nvu behaves); in validation, you may then need to
use DOCTYPE override
- changing the DOCTYPE declaration in a text editor; when you later open
the document in Nvu, it will leave the DOCTYPE declaration intact.
Apr 9 '06 #7

David E. Ross wrote:
rich wrote:
i know that there are die hard mark uppers that use notepad or some
other plain editors...as far as graphic editors are concerned what are
some reccomendations both commercial and if any freeware

Try Nvu at <http://www.nvu.com/>. I'm too used to hand-coding my HTML,
and I don't like the way the HTML generated by Nvu looks. However, when
I experimented with it, it generally created pages that successfully
validate at <http://validator.w3.org/>.

Yes, I think NVU is a good WYSIWYG programs go is very good. The HTML
generated is generally good (though it's ugly to look at) but it can
create valid code without to much trouble.
I would also suggest running the code through HTML-Tidy to make it more
readable, if you want.
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Apr 9 '06 #8

Don't forget the free CSE HTML Validator Lite editor and syntax
checker/validator for Windows:
http://www.htmlvalidator.com/lite/

and the not-free standard/pro editions:
http://www.htmlvalidator.com/

Thanks.

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rich wrote:
i know that there are die hard mark uppers that use notepad or some
other plain editors...as far as graphic editors are concerned what are
some reccomendations both commercial and if any freeware.


Hereby a list of editors.
HTML for free:
jedit: http://www.jedit.org/
nedit: http://www.nedit.org/
ewisoft: http://www.ewisoft.com/
netpadd: http://www.netpadd.com/
araneae: http://www.ornj.net/software/araneae/

Apr 10 '06 #9
rich wrote:
i know that there are die hard mark uppers that use notepad or some
other plain editors...as far as graphic editors are concerned what are
some reccomendations both commercial and if any freeware


I like TextWrangler. I do most of my markup by hand.
Apr 11 '06 #11
Albert Wiersch spammed:
Don't forget the free CSE HTML Validator Lite editor and syntax
checker/validator for Windows:


To save Jukka the trouble, I'd just point out that CSE is a bag of
nails and certainly _isn't_ a validator.

Albert, why don't you re-write it and make it into a true validator?
It's potentially a useful tool, just not as it is at present.

Apr 11 '06 #12
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Andy Dingley drags back above my newsreader's
patience threshold that:
Albert Wiersch spammed:
Don't forget the free CSE HTML Validator Lite editor and syntax
checker/validator for Windows:

If only we *could* forget that false validator!
To save Jukka the trouble,
Me2, Sir...
I'd just point out that CSE is a bag of nails and certainly _isn't_
a validator.

Albert, why don't you re-write it and make it into a true validator?
Perhaps he should incorporate a true validator, indeed. At least then
the product's claim could become accurate, without having to keep
arguing the point.
It's potentially a useful tool,


I see nothing nothing wrong in principle with checkers/linters. Nor
do I see anything wrong with validation (in the SGML/XML sense), but
in the knowledge that typical HTML user agents don't actually respect
all aspects of SGML validity.

I just want to be confident which one it is that I'm dealing with.

These two rogue specimens which claim to be validators, but don't seem
to contain any code which would be capable of establishing validity in
the technical sense, are just a distraction when one is trying to
teach or explain the relevant issues.
Apr 11 '06 #13

I'm glad that you mentioned CSE HTML Validator is not a real validator. That
is true, but only in the strict technical sense of the word validator (but
not in common usage, by the way). I don't, and never did, dispute that. The
good thing about non-real validators is that they are able to find problems
that a "real" validator can't, thus making them MUCH MORE USEFUL in many
ways. They can provide helpful advice and tips, and can be much more
helpful. Some (like CSE HTML Validator) can check CSS, spelling, and
accessibility, all quickly and easily. Furthermore, many of them can be
configured to a much greater degree according to what the web developer
wants.

As for the problems "real" validators miss like the W3C HTML Validator, see
http://www.htmlvalidator.com/htmlval...eisbetter.html

While real validators can certainly be helpful, there are other checkers
that can be just as, if not more useful. They can be used with a real
validator if the end user so desires. So while someone can use our product,
they certainly aren't limited to using it. There are other tools available
too that provide useful checks, like HTML Tidy, which some people like. But
I can say that thousands of people use and like the high level degree of
syntax checking that CSE HTML Validator provides. For many, it makes
checking pages a lot better and easier and it finds more problems.

There's a misbelief is some groups that people should ONLY use a real
validator because that's the only "good" way to check a document. That is
completely false! A real validator can be helpful, but it is by no means
proof that a document is problem-free. There are many HTML and real-world
issues that a real validator will completely ignore and is incapable of
checking for. See the above link for examples.

As for including a "real" validator, I get virtually zero requests for one.
I have thought about it, but don't think it would be too useful, other than
to satisfy the people who complain about the name all the time. Now, if
someone were to assist me in adding a "real" validator, then I could
potentially justify the time needed to do so. Please contact me if you're
interested and are knowledgeable in the available command line tools for
real DTD based validation. I have integrated HTML Tidy into CSE HTML
Validator and it may be possible to integrate a "real" validator in as well
should enough people want one to justify it or should it be easy enough to
add.

--
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http://www.htmlvalidator.com/
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Albert Wiersch spammed:
Don't forget the free CSE HTML Validator Lite editor and syntax
checker/validator for Windows:


To save Jukka the trouble, I'd just point out that CSE is a bag of
nails and certainly _isn't_ a validator.

Albert, why don't you re-write it and make it into a true validator?
It's potentially a useful tool, just not as it is at present.

Apr 11 '06 #14
so i see that the general opinion of nvu is pretty good..it does
produce code that is in some areas a bit junky but running the page
through html tidy should fix it up..do you use a validator plus html
tidy..

Apr 12 '06 #15

rich wrote:
so i see that the general opinion of nvu is pretty good..it does
produce code that is in some areas a bit junky but running the page
through html tidy should fix it up..do you use a validator plus html
tidy..

Yes, the code generated by NVU is generally ok, but you would want to
use: http://validator.w3.org and check your pages and fix any errors.
I also use HTML-Kit for hand codeing now a days.
--
Regards Chad. http://freewebdesign.cjb.cc

Apr 13 '06 #16
Bart Lateur wrote:
Edwin van der Vaart wrote:
Hereby a list of editors.
How come you didn't mention Scinbtilla/SciTE? :)

<http://scintilla.sourceforge.net/SciTE.html>

I didn't know that Scinbtilla/SciTE exist.
And there's also notepad++, based on the Scintilla text editing
component, but with a reduced GUI.

<http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/>

Thanx for the information.
--
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http://www.evandervaart.nl/ Persoonlijke website
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Apr 14 '06 #17
Albert Wiersch wrote:
Don't forget the free CSE HTML Validator Lite editor and syntax
checker/validator for Windows:
http://www.htmlvalidator.com/lite/

and the not-free standard/pro editions:
http://www.htmlvalidator.com/

Thanx for the info.
--
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http://www.semi-conductor.nl/ Links to Semiconductors sites
http://www.evandervaart.nl/ Persoonlijke website
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Apr 14 '06 #18
To further the education of mankind, Edwin van der Vaart
<e.***********@want.nospam.com> declaimed:
Bart Lateur wrote:
Edwin van der Vaart wrote:
Hereby a list of editors.


How come you didn't mention Scinbtilla/SciTE? :)

<http://scintilla.sourceforge.net/SciTE.html>

I didn't know that Scinbtilla/SciTE exist.


You didn't?? Why, it's a scintillating editor!

--
Neredbojias
Infinity can have limits.
Apr 14 '06 #19
Edwin van der Vaart wrote:
Albert Wiersch wrote:
Don't forget the free CSE HTML Validator

Thanx for the info.


Edwin, that program he's plugging is *not* a validator. It will not give
the same results as the W3C validators, no matter how much you customize
it. Don't be fooled by his "real world" baloney, either.

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Apr 15 '06 #20
Neredbojias wrote:
To further the education of mankind, Edwin van der Vaart
<e.***********@want.nospam.com> declaimed:
Bart Lateur wrote:
Edwin van der Vaart wrote:

Hereby a list of editors.
How come you didn't mention Scinbtilla/SciTE? :)

<http://scintilla.sourceforge.net/SciTE.html>

I didn't know that Scinbtilla/SciTE exist.


You didn't?? Why, it's a scintillating editor!

Why, because I don't search for new editors.
--
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Apr 15 '06 #21
kchayka wrote:
Edwin van der Vaart wrote:
Albert Wiersch wrote:
Don't forget the free CSE HTML Validator

Thanx for the info.


Edwin, that program he's plugging is *not* a validator. It will not give
the same results as the W3C validators, no matter how much you customize
it. Don't be fooled by his "real world" baloney, either.

Kchayka, thanx for your comments.
I was a bit to fast for the previous reply. I now realize that Albert
had send a link to an validator application/pluggin.
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Apr 15 '06 #22

Hi Edwin,

The links were links to CSE HTML Validator Lite and CSE HTML Validator
Std/Pro. These are standalone Windows programs which include an HTML editor
and would make a perfectly fine addition to your HTML editor list should you
choose to add it. While we also have a Firefox plugin on the site, it is not
the only thing available.

--
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Fix your website: http://onlinewebcheck.com
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kchayka wrote:
Edwin van der Vaart wrote:
Albert Wiersch wrote:
Don't forget the free CSE HTML Validator

Thanx for the info.

Kchayka, thanx for your comments.
I was a bit to fast for the previous reply. I now realize that Albert had
send a link to an validator application/pluggin.
--
Edwin van der Vaart

Apr 15 '06 #23
Albert Wiersch wrote:
Hi Edwin,

The links were links to [snakeoil]


Someone posted a list of editors. I have no knowledge of most
of them. But I was pleased to see that the two or three I know
to be snake-oil or spammerware didn't appear in the list.
Long may it remain that way!

(For the benefit of anyone who hasn't encountered this before,
we'd probably respect Albert and his product if only he'd drop
the utterly fraudulent marketing claims).

--
Nick Kew
Apr 15 '06 #24
To further the education of mankind, Edwin van der Vaart
<e.***********@want.nospam.com> declaimed:
Neredbojias wrote:
To further the education of mankind, Edwin van der Vaart
<e.***********@want.nospam.com> declaimed:
Bart Lateur wrote:
Edwin van der Vaart wrote:

> Hereby a list of editors.
How come you didn't mention Scinbtilla/SciTE? :)

<http://scintilla.sourceforge.net/SciTE.html>
I didn't know that Scinbtilla/SciTE exist.


You didn't?? Why, it's a scintillating editor!

Why, because I don't search for new editors.


Language semantics anomaly. My "Why" wasn't a question; it was a
euphemistic emphatic.

Now that that's clear, can Netherlanders really get high by staring at
windmills?

--
Neredbojias
Infinity can have limits.
Apr 15 '06 #25

We do not make any fraudulent marketing claims, nor is our product
"snake-oil". It is a highly regarded product:
http://www.htmlvalidator.com/htmlval/testimonials.html

--
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"Nick Kew" <ni**@asgard.webthing.com> wrote in message
news:n0************@asgard.webthing.com...

(For the benefit of anyone who hasn't encountered this before,
we'd probably respect Albert and his product if only he'd drop
the utterly fraudulent marketing claims).

--
Nick Kew

Apr 15 '06 #26
Neredbojias wrote:
To further the education of mankind, Edwin van der Vaart
<e.***********@want.nospam.com> declaimed:
Neredbojias wrote:
To further the education of mankind, Edwin van der Vaart
<e.***********@want.nospam.com> declaimed:
Bart Lateur wrote:
> Edwin van der Vaart wrote:
>
>> Hereby a list of editors.
> How come you didn't mention Scinbtilla/SciTE? :)
>
> <http://scintilla.sourceforge.net/SciTE.html>
I didn't know that Scinbtilla/SciTE exist.
You didn't?? Why, it's a scintillating editor!

Why, because I don't search for new editors.


Language semantics anomaly. My "Why" wasn't a question; it was a
euphemistic emphatic.

Now that that's clear, can Netherlanders really get high by staring at
windmills?

Not high, but crazy. :)
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Apr 16 '06 #27
Nick Kew wrote:
Albert Wiersch wrote:
Hi Edwin,

The links were links to [snakeoil]


Someone posted a list of editors. I have no knowledge of most
of them. But I was pleased to see that the two or three I know
to be snake-oil or spammerware didn't appear in the list.
Long may it remain that way!

If you're referring to the long list of editors. The list was from
Brucie and he posted a couple of times in alt.html NG.
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Apr 16 '06 #28
To further the education of mankind, Edwin van der Vaart
<e.***********@nospamgmail.com> vouchsafed:
You didn't?? Why, it's a scintillating editor!
Why, because I don't search for new editors.


Language semantics anomaly. My "Why" wasn't a question; it was a
euphemistic emphatic.

Now that that's clear, can Netherlanders really get high by staring at
windmills?

Not high, but crazy. :)


Oh, I've met my share of Crazy Dutch people... The nice thing is, while
they are sometimes a little gruff, they're usually quite jovial and high-
spirited. That's an "upper" for everyone.

--
Neredbojias
Infinity can have limits.
Apr 16 '06 #29

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