Preview in other browsers?

[Gernot Frisch]

Hi,

is there a free web service, that gives me an image, how my website
looks in this or that webbrowser. (Safari, old Netscape etc...) ?

[Mark Parnell]

Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, Gernot Frisch
<[e-mail]> declared in comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets:

is there a free web service, that gives me an image, how my website
looks in this or that webbrowser. (Safari, old Netscape etc...) ?

http://browsercam.com/ has a free trial. It doesn't take into account
differing font sizes, and only a small number of window widths, but it's
better than nothing if e.g. you don't have access to a Mac.

--
Mark Parnell

Now implementing http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

[Felix Miata]

On 06/03/22 03:57 Gernot Frisch apparently typed:

is there a free web service, that gives me an image, how my website
looks in this or that webbrowser. (Safari, old Netscape etc...) ?

I use http://www.snugtech.com/safaritest/ for Safari. Old Netscape was
available for virtually everything, so you should be able to install and
use it yourself if you really think there's any point to it.
--
"Blessed are they whose ways are blameless, who walk according
to the law of the Lord." Psalm 119:11 NIV

Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409

Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/auth

[Gernot Frisch]

I use http://www.snugtech.com/safaritest/ for Safari. Old Netscape
was
available for virtually everything, so you should be able to install
and
use it yourself if you really think there's any point to it.
Thank you. What othe browsers are commonly used? I tested IE6, Firefox
and now Safari. Is that enough?

"Blessed are they whose ways are blameless, who walk according
to the law of the Lord." Psalm 119:11 NIV

Totally agree.

[rafiqusa]

This link might be useful for you.
http://www.delorie.com/web/wpbcv.html

- Rafiq.
http://www.ajaxtoday.com

[Mark Parnell]

Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, Gernot Frisch
<[e-mail]> declared in comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets:

Thank you. What othe browsers are commonly used? I tested IE6, Firefox
and now Safari. Is that enough?

Definitely need at least a recent version of Opera. IE5 and 5.5 are a
good idea too - unfortunately still a lot of people using them, and they
have a lot of bugs.

"Blessed are they whose ways are blameless, who walk according
to the law of the Lord." Psalm 119:11 NIV

Totally agree.

That makes 3 of us. :-)

--
Mark Parnell

Now implementing http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

[Carolyn Marenger]

Gernot Frisch wrote:

I use http://www.snugtech.com/safaritest/ for Safari. Old Netscape
was
available for virtually everything, so you should be able to install
and
use it yourself if you really think there's any point to it.

Thank you. What othe browsers are commonly used? I tested IE6, Firefox
and now Safari. Is that enough?

I can't give you statistics as to how many people out in the world use which
browsers, but I use Konqueror as my main browser. I will also warn you
about some of the flaws in the various statistic gathering software out
there - just in case you decide to hunt down the stats.

When I go to some sites, such as Air Canada to book a flight - I get a
message in Konqueror telling me that I may not be able to use all the
features of the site. I then tell my browser to identify itself as
something Air Canada's server's like and I don't get the message anymore -
the site also works just fine for me. The Stats on the Air Canada site
tells there techies that 99.9% (or whatever) of browsers that access their
site are the big three browsers. It shows them that a few months ago,
someone with konqueror browsed one page quickly and never came back.

If you really want to find out what bropwsers people are using when
accessing your site, ask them. Put up an interactive quiz, and ask them
what browser they use, what version, what screen resolution, and what size
viewport. While you are at it, ask them for their thoughts on your site.
After that, you will have a good idea what browsers are being used, what
colours they like to see, and whatever other information you may want ready
for the next release of your site.

Carolyn
--
Carolyn Marenger

[Gernot Frisch]

If you really want to find out what bropwsers people are using when
accessing your site, ask them. Put up an interactive quiz, and ask
them
what browser they use, what version, what screen resolution, and
what size
viewport. While you are at it, ask them for their thoughts on your
site.
After that, you will have a good idea what browsers are being used,
what
colours they like to see, and whatever other information you may
want ready
for the next release of your site.

Why didn't I come to this idea... Thank you, I'll do that.

[Spartanicus]

Carolyn Marenger <ca****@marenger.com> wrote:

If you really want to find out what bropwsers people are using when
accessing your site, ask them. Put up an interactive quiz, and ask them
what browser they use, what version,
Unlikely that this would yield a representative result, people for who'm
a site works are less likely to fill in such a questionnaire, same for
certain personality types (certain personality types may gravitate
towards certain browsers).
what screen resolution,
Which has no relevance to a web author.
and what size viewport.

The typical user doesn't know what a viewport is, not it's width. Also,
viewport width is likely to vary for a given user.

--
Spartanicus

[Carolyn Marenger]

Spartanicus wrote:

Carolyn Marenger <ca****@marenger.com> wrote:

If you really want to find out what bropwsers people are using when
accessing your site, ask them. Put up an interactive quiz, and ask them
what browser they use, what version,

Unlikely that this would yield a representative result, people for who'm
a site works are less likely to fill in such a questionnaire, same for
certain personality types (certain personality types may gravitate
towards certain browsers).

This is a factor to take into account when deciding wether or not to use a
survey. Another is how to word it and implement it so that it catches an
honest answer, not a biased one. However, it may give him an indication of
what some of the users are interested in.

what screen resolution,

Which has no relevance to a web author.

Yes, that I am aware of.

and what size viewport.

The typical user doesn't know what a viewport is, not it's width. Also,
viewport width is likely to vary for a given user.

You are correct here too. In designing a survey, I need to know what I want
to learn, and for that using the correct terminology is beneficial. When
actually wording the survey, I convert the technical into layman's terms,
such as, when browsing does your browser window take up the whole screen,
half the screen, or a quarter of the screen. Then in conjunction with the
screen resolution, I might have an idea as to what size windows my viewers
typically use, and also what the smallest ones are.

Being a newsgroup with a technical focus, I used the technical terminology
in the original posting. Maybe I should have elaborated more the first
time. Thanks for pointing it out, so as to hopefully remove any confusion
for anyone who may read this posting.

Thanks, Carolyn
--
Carolyn Marenger

[Carolyn Marenger]

Gernot Frisch wrote:

If you really want to find out what bropwsers people are using when
accessing your site, ask them. Put up an interactive quiz, and ask
them
what browser they use, what version, what screen resolution, and
what size
viewport. While you are at it, ask them for their thoughts on your
site.
After that, you will have a good idea what browsers are being used,
what
colours they like to see, and whatever other information you may
want ready
for the next release of your site.

Why didn't I come to this idea... Thank you, I'll do that.

Before you do, please read Spartanicus' reply and my additional reply.

Thanks, Carolyn
--
Carolyn Marenger

[Gernot Frisch]

"Carolyn Marenger" <ca****@marenger.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:b8***************************@PRIMUS.CA...

Spartanicus wrote:

Carolyn Marenger <ca****@marenger.com> wrote:

If you really want to find out what bropwsers people are using when
accessing your site, ask them. Put up an interactive quiz, and ask
them
what browser they use, what version,

Unlikely that this would yield a representative result, people for
who'm
a site works are less likely to fill in such a questionnaire, same
for
certain personality types (certain personality types may gravitate
towards certain browsers).

This is a factor to take into account when deciding wether or not to
use a
survey. Another is how to word it and implement it so that it
catches an
honest answer, not a biased one. However, it may give him an
indication of
what some of the users are interested in.

what screen resolution,

Which has no relevance to a web author.

Yes, that I am aware of.

and what size viewport.

The typical user doesn't know what a viewport is, not it's width.
Also,
viewport width is likely to vary for a given user.

You are correct here too. In designing a survey, I need to know
what I want
to learn, and for that using the correct terminology is beneficial.
When
actually wording the survey, I convert the technical into layman's
terms,
such as, when browsing does your browser window take up the whole
screen,
half the screen, or a quarter of the screen. Then in conjunction
with the
screen resolution, I might have an idea as to what size windows my
viewers
typically use, and also what the smallest ones are.

Being a newsgroup with a technical focus, I used the technical
terminology
in the original posting. Maybe I should have elaborated more the
first
time. Thanks for pointing it out, so as to hopefully remove any
confusion
for anyone who may read this posting.

I could use php to get the browser name they view the index.php site
with. Although, some browsers allow to be identified as
InternetExploder. Pretty stupid if you ask me.

[Stephen Poley]

On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:10:13 +0200, "Gernot Frisch" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

Although, some browsers allow to be identified as
InternetExploder. Pretty stupid if you ask me.

Very stupid. But I trust you are aware that the stupidity lies not with
the makers of the browsers, but with the makers of sites which implement
browser sniffing? Specifically those who refuse access to any browser
not calling itself Internet Explorer?

--
Stephen Poley

http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/

[Gernot Frisch]

"Stephen Poley" <sb******************@xs4all.nl> schrieb im
Newsbeitrag news:dt********************************@4ax.com...

On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:10:13 +0200, "Gernot Frisch" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

Although, some browsers allow to be identified as
InternetExploder. Pretty stupid if you ask me.

Very stupid. But I trust you are aware that the stupidity lies not
with
the makers of the browsers, but with the makers of sites which
implement
browser sniffing? Specifically those who refuse access to any
browser
not calling itself Internet Explorer?

Who would be so dumb as to lock out potential customners because they
don't have your taste of flavour? I can even browse mircosoft.com with
any browser.

[Stephen Poley]

On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 14:37:07 +0200, "Gernot Frisch" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

"Stephen Poley" <sb******************@xs4all.nl> schrieb im
Newsbeitrag news:dt********************************@4ax.com...

On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:10:13 +0200, "Gernot Frisch" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

Although, some browsers allow to be identified as
InternetExploder. Pretty stupid if you ask me.

Very stupid. But I trust you are aware that the stupidity lies not
with
the makers of the browsers, but with the makers of sites which
implement
browser sniffing? Specifically those who refuse access to any
browser
not calling itself Internet Explorer?

Who would be so dumb as to lock out potential customners because they
don't have your taste of flavour?

A good question indeed. See http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/1349

That particular piece of stupidity does at last seem to be in decline
though. There are still a handful of sites around that find it necessary
to tell me that I am using Opera and that as a result their site may not
display properly. But it's been several months since I was last told to
upgrade to IE 4.

--
Stephen Poley

http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/

[Timothy Larson]

Gernot Frisch wrote:

Thank you. What othe browsers are commonly used? I tested IE6, Firefox
and now Safari. Is that enough?

Analyze the logs of your site, then you'll learn what _your_ audience is
using.
Tim

[Timothy Larson]

Gernot Frisch wrote:

Thank you. What othe browsers are commonly used? I tested IE6, Firefox
and now Safari. Is that enough?

The only other "major" display engine you're missing is Opera. Also
keep an older version of each around, because many people seldom if ever
upgrade. Furthermore, I'd test with at least one text-mode browser
(Lynx or Links) just to be safe.

Tim