Hi,
I have no clue.
- I want to align the red, green, blue boxes in one line
- red,green,blue must be 45px high
- red (center) must be as wide as possible
- yellow must start exactly below the line
- yellow must be left aligned with red one.
Please, please help!
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//DE">
<html>
<head>
<style>
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.X1{
display:inline;
background-color: green;
margin-left: 32px;
width: 12px;
height: 45px;
}
.X2{
display:inline;
background-color: red;
width: 90%;
height: 45px;
}
.X3{
display:inline;
background-color: blue;
width: 12px;
height: 45px;
}
.Y2{
width:90%;
background-color: yellow;
margin-top: 45px;
margin-left: 44px;
}
</style>
</head>
<body>
<div class="X1"> </div>
<div class="X2">Header</div>
<div class="X3"> </div>
<div class="Y2">Her is some long text</div>
</body></html>
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"Gernot Frisch" <Me@Privacy.net> wrote: I have no clue.
Here are a few:
Don't multi post.
Don't upload code, upload a minimised example using real content.
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Spartanicus I have no clue.
Here are a few:
Don't multi post.
I was told that this NG handles CSS, so I posted here, knowing what
the other answer would be.
Don't upload code, upload a minimised example using real content.
Take a look at my code - it _is_ the minimum required code for my
problem.
Any idea about my problem?
Gernot Frisch wrote:
I have no clue.
- I want to align the red, green, blue boxes in one line
- red,green,blue must be 45px high
- red (center) must be as wide as possible
- yellow must start exactly below the line
- yellow must be left aligned with red one.
In X1, X2, X3 change "display:inline" to "float:left".
In Y2 change "margin-top: 45px" to "margin-right: 44px". Delete "width:90%".
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news:5s******************************@giganews.com ... Gernot Frisch wrote:
I have no clue.
- I want to align the red, green, blue boxes in one line
- red,green,blue must be 45px high
- red (center) must be as wide as possible
- yellow must start exactly below the line
- yellow must be left aligned with red one.
In X1, X2, X3 change "display:inline" to "float:left".
In Y2 change "margin-top: 45px" to "margin-right: 44px". Delete
"width:90%".
looks perfect on FF, but IE(6) messes it up... Good point to start
playing, though. Thanks a lot.
Gernot Frisch wrote: I have no clue.
Here are a few:
Don't multi post.
I was told that this NG handles CSS, so I posted here, knowing what
the other answer would be.
<snip>
What's that to do with this?
Do you even have any idea what multipost means? http://smjg.port5.com/faqs/usenet/xpost.html http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/xpost.html
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Spartanicus wrote: "Gernot Frisch" <Me@Privacy.net> wrote:
I have no clue.
Here are a few:
Don't multi post.
Don't upload code, upload a minimised example using real content.
How can one upload an example of this kind of thing without uploading code?
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Stewart Gordon wrote: Spartanicus wrote: "Gernot Frisch" <Me@Privacy.net> wrote:
I have no clue.
Here are a few:
Don't multi post.
Don't upload code, upload a minimised example using real content.
How can one upload an example of this kind of thing without uploading
code?
More liberally translated:
Don't post code here, upload a minimised example using real content to
your web server, then post the URL here.
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
<snip> More liberally translated:
Don't post code here, upload a minimised example using real content to
your web server, then post the URL here.
But why? Have you weighed up the pros and cons of the two approaches?
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Stewart Gordon wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
<snip> More liberally translated:
Don't post code here, upload a minimised example using real content to
your web server, then post the URL here.
But why? Have you
Have I personally?
weighed up the pros and cons of the two approaches?
Yes. Why would I want to wade through dozens (sometimes people post
hundreds) of lines of HTML/CSS? Maybe a long line will wrap in my
newsreader, causing an error.
In order to test someone's problem, I would have to copy the code, save
it as an HTML file, possibly create a separate style sheet file, load it
on my development PC's web server, and view it in a browser just to
begin to see what is going on. And everyone reading the post would have
to do the same.
Then perhaps we discover that the OP did not include everything in the
'code post'. Or hand-typed with errors. This happens all the time.
If you place your sample on your own web server, we have instant access
to a full example, with your code. For CSS questions, I can then even
play with it live using my browser (Firefox/Web Developer's Toolbar).
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Stewart Gordon wrote:
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
<snip> More liberally translated:
Don't post code here, upload a minimised example using real content to
your web server, then post the URL here. But why? Have you
Have I personally?
weighed up the pros and cons of the two approaches?
Yes.
So why have you, in what follows, addressed neither a single pro of
posting code here nor a single con of uploading code to the WWW and
posting a URL here?
Why would I want to wade through dozens (sometimes people post
hundreds) of lines of HTML/CSS? Maybe a long line will wrap in my
newsreader, causing an error.
It may be true that posting hundreds of lines of code to a newsgroup
isn't a good idea. But whether code is posted on a newsgroup or
uploaded to the web has little effect AFAICT on the undesirability of
wading through hundreds of lines of it.
If it's been minimised efficiently, then unless it's a particularly
complex problem, it probably won't be more than a dozen or two lines.
And there's still the option of uploading it to the web for these more
complex problems.
In order to test someone's problem, I would have to copy the code, save
it as an HTML file, possibly create a separate style sheet file, load it
on my development PC's web server, and view it in a browser just to
begin to see what is going on.
I had no idea that Firefox didn't allow you to browse pages locally on
your hard disk without a web server. Every browser I've ever used does.
And everyone reading the post would have to do the same.
And I can't believe that you've got as far as you have (judging by some
of your posts) and yet remained in your world of delusion that not a
single web browser ever invented allows you to browse on the local
filesystem.
Then perhaps we discover that the OP did not include everything in the
'code post'. Or hand-typed with errors. This happens all the time.
If you place your sample on your own web server, we have instant access
to a full example, with your code. For CSS questions, I can then even
play with it live using my browser (Firefox/Web Developer's Toolbar).
Try telling people who use dial-up connections (yes, such people still
exist before you ask) and read newsgroups offline that they have
"instant" access.
You've mentioned a few bad habits of some people who post code samples
on newsgroups:
- posting very long code samples
- including long lines that will break in some newsreaders
- not including all relevant code in the sample
- deciding by some obscure thought process that hand-copying is superior
to the electronic copy and paste approach
Just because some people commit these sins doesn't mean that posting
code samples on newsgroups is a sin. Do you avoid painkillers at all
costs, just because some silly people overdose on them?
On the contrary, reducing code to a minimal example small enough to post
on a newsgroup has benefits in itself. It makes it easier for everyone
on the newsgroup to find where the problem is. Occasionally, it may
even help the person who's about to post here to find the cause of the
problem him/herself and thereby not have to post here after all.
A good technique is to reduce the code one step at a time, and at each
step to test the code to see if it still reproduces the problem. See also http://tinyurl.com/ru8g3
(Google cached page - the live page seems to be down at the mo)
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Stewart Gordon wrote: I had no idea that Firefox didn't allow you to browse pages locally on
your hard disk without a web server. Every browser I've ever used does.
It does. But that won't show if the problem is due to a Web server
mis-configuration or, for instance, a mis-stated path. I'd much rather
see the example and/or actual page in its environment.
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Ed Mullen wrote: Stewart Gordon wrote: I had no idea that Firefox didn't allow you to browse pages locally on
your hard disk without a web server. Every browser I've ever used does.
It does. But that won't show if the problem is due to a Web server
mis-configuration or, for instance, a mis-stated path. I'd much rather
see the example and/or actual page in its environment.
This 'group is about CSS, isn't it? Not about how to configure a web
server.
IMHO the average person is likely to test trimmed-down examples locally,
not just on a web server.
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Stewart Gordon <sm*******@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:e0**********@sun-cc204.lut.ac.uk: Ed Mullen wrote: Stewart Gordon wrote: I had no idea that Firefox didn't allow you to browse pages
locally on your hard disk without a web server. Every browser
I've ever used does.
It does. But that won't show if the problem is due to a Web server
mis-configuration or, for instance, a mis-stated path. I'd much
rather see the example and/or actual page in its environment.
This 'group is about CSS, isn't it? Not about how to configure a
web server.
It's about CSS on the WWW, not on your computer.
IMHO the average person is likely to test trimmed-down examples
locally, not just on a web server.
Then the average person isn't seeing it how it will actually look on
the web server either. Many problems don't appear until a page is
actually on line.
I guess you've never heard the saying "When in Rome, do as the Romans
do"? You're not the only one to come into a newsgroup and think you
are going to change years of convention. It didn't work for them and
its not going to work for you.
What will happen if you continue going against convention is you'll be
killfiled by those you are asking for help thereby getting you no help
at all. By the lack of responses, I'd guess some have already got you
in the kf.
Beauregard gave you several reasons for this convention and you ignored
them all by saying "I don't do that." No, maybe not, but many do; thus
the convention of requesting URLs instead of poring through code that
may be meaningless anyway.
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2006, Stewart Gordon wrote (to Beauregard T.
Shagnasty): So why have you, in what follows, addressed neither a single pro of
posting code here nor a single con of uploading code to the WWW and
posting a URL here?
You have been clearly advised, by folk who surely have more experience
here than you have, that the best way to go about getting quality
advice is to upload a stripped-down test case, complete, to the server
that you use.
This is good advice: having verified that it still exhibits the
problem that one is complaining about, one can then apply the various
on-line validators to be sure there aren't any obvious errors (many
problems are solved by this means already, without any recourse to
usenet), then post a clear statement of the problem, with the relevant
URL, and anyone - you included - stands a good chance of getting a
quality answer.
Whether you take the advice or not is no care of mine; I for one
haven't got time to argue with you about why it's good advice. If you
stay around, I confidently predict you'll learn that it is.
I had no idea that Firefox didn't allow you to browse pages locally
on your hard disk without a web server. Every browser I've ever
used does.
[...]
And I can't believe that you've got as far as you have (judging by
some of your posts) and yet remained in your world of delusion that
not a single web browser ever invented allows you to browse on the
local filesystem.
So, you're an ill-mannered buffoon, too. The killfile awaits. The
choice seems to be up to you now.
Stewart Gordon wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Don't post code here, upload a minimised example using real content to
your web server, then post the URL here.
But why? Have you weighed up the pros and cons of the two approaches?
Why don't you just accept the fact that posting a URL is the accepted
convention of this newsgroup?
If you want to play here, following the rules will get you a whole lot
farther than ignoring them. ;)
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Stan Brown wrote: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:01:41 +0100 from Stewart Gordon <smjg_1998
@yahoo.com>: So why have you, in what follows, addressed neither a single pro of
posting code here nor a single con of uploading code to the WWW and
posting a URL here?
Because it's been done to death.
Please provide a link to the discussion I missed.
This is why proper etiquette is to read a group for a significant
period of time before posting -- so you get yourself up to speed and
don't post churlish demands for a discussion to be repeated for your
benefit.
How long is a "significant period of time" IYO? I've been on and off
this 'group probably for years, and never recall seeing a subject line
to the effect of a discussion on this topic.
Stewart.
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Stan McCann wrote: Stewart Gordon <sm*******@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:e0**********@sun-cc204.lut.ac.uk:
<snip> This 'group is about CSS, isn't it? Not about how to configure a
web server.
It's about CSS on the WWW, not on your computer.
In all my life, I'd never imagined that they were two different
languages. Please enlighten me. What's the difference?
IMHO the average person is likely to test trimmed-down examples
locally, not just on a web server.
Then the average person isn't seeing it how it will actually look on
the web server either. Many problems don't appear until a page is
actually on line.
I can think of several examples, but that's pretty much irrelevant.
_If_ the problem cannot be reproduced on the local filesystem, _then_ it
goes without saying that it's foolish to expect anybody to reproduce it
from code posted on a newsgroup. If OTOH the problem manifests equally
when testing locally, as is often the case, then it should be harmless
to post the code to the newsgroup, and then anyone can easily c&p the
code into a text editor in order to test and even experiment with it.
In order to test fixes to the problem before posting, people will need
to make their own copies of the code anyway.
Uploading code to the web in order to illustrate the problem is
certainly no panacea. Test cases will often not be uploaded to the same
URL where the live page is going to be, especially if doing so would
damage the existing site while an improvement is in progress. This
difference can in itself lead to problems that will appear in the
testcase but not in the live version when it comes, or vice versa. Yet
another possibility is that the testcase and the live site don't
strictly coincide in the human errors that were committed in the very
process of uploading.
Moreover, what if the person with the problem doesn't even _have_ a web
hosting account? Maybe someone is working for weeks or months on
composing the site before putting it online, and plans to cross the
bridge of finding a host when he/she gets to it. Or maybe someone is
writing HTML pages not for the WWW, but for an intranet, to distribute
on a CD or other medium, or for software documentation bundled with the
software itself. He/she/it is thus faced with a choice of three evils:
(a) to sign up for a paid-for hosting account earlier than planned, at
potentially higher cost (how significant this is will depend on how long
it's likely to be before the real site goes live)
(b) sign up for a free hosting account, and risk (considering the
(general) lower reliability of free hosts) the server being down at the
time somebody is trying to help or the adverts that the host inflicts
screwing things up
(c) putting up with the people on these newsgroups who refuse to test
code that's posted on them, instead pontificating their biased arguments
against this practice
I guess you've never heard the saying "When in Rome, do as the Romans
do"? You're not the only one to come into a newsgroup and think you
are going to change years of convention. It didn't work for them and
its not going to work for you.
Try telling that to the people behind the phasing out of Latin being
taught in British schools.
What will happen if you continue going against convention is you'll be
killfiled by those you are asking for help thereby getting you no help
at all. By the lack of responses, I'd guess some have already got you
in the kf.
If some people can't handle such constructive debate, that's their problem.
Beauregard gave you several reasons for this convention and you ignored
them all by saying "I don't do that."
No I didn't. I tried to make the argument fairer by
(a) telling the other side of the story
(b) pointing out places where the reasoning falls apart
There are indeed good reasons to do what Beauregard is trying to
promote, but that doesn't mean that it should be a convention. There
doesn't even need to be a convention at all. People should be allowed
to choose whichever practice both works and suits them best.
No, maybe not, but many do; thus the convention of requesting URLs
instead of poring through code that may be meaningless anyway.
Just because _some_ people make mistakes while doing X doesn't mean that
X is universally a wrong course of action. If it were, then it would be
wrong even to write web pages. And like I said, do you avoid
painkillers at all costs, just because some silly people overdose on them?
Everybody, please stop over-generalising.
Stewart.
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On Wed, 29 Mar 2006, Stewart Gordon wrote: It's about CSS on the WWW, not on your computer.
In all my life, I'd never imagined that they were two different
languages. Please enlighten me. What's the difference?
A trivial example:
A webserver might send your stylesheets with type "text/plain"
or "text/html" or "text/css;charset=utf-7", which are all
wrong for this purpose. You cannot solve such a problem -
cannot even see it - when you only supply a few lines of
source text.
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Stewart Gordon wrote: Stan Brown wrote: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:01:41 +0100 from Stewart Gordon <smjg_1998
@yahoo.com>: So why have you, in what follows, addressed neither a single pro of
posting code here nor a single con of uploading code to the WWW and
posting a URL here?
Because it's been done to death.
Please provide a link to the discussion I missed.
This is why proper etiquette is to read a group for a significant
period of time before posting -- so you get yourself up to speed and
don't post churlish demands for a discussion to be repeated for your
benefit.
How long is a "significant period of time" IYO? I've been on and off
this 'group probably for years, and never recall seeing a subject
line to the effect of a discussion on this topic.
This topic is rarely seen in the *Subject* of a post, but often in a
reply. Here's an example from 1998:
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html/msg/338b1417dd124f09>
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Andreas Prilop wrote: On Wed, 29 Mar 2006, Stewart Gordon wrote:
It's about CSS on the WWW, not on your computer. In all my life, I'd never imagined that they were two different
languages. Please enlighten me. What's the difference?
A trivial example:
A webserver might send your stylesheets with type "text/plain"
or "text/html" or "text/css;charset=utf-7", which are all
wrong for this purpose.
Yes, that's quite a straightforward example. Another is transferring
from a case-insensitive to a case-sensitive file system. But these
aren't aspects of the CSS language itself.
You cannot solve such a problem - cannot even see it - when you only
supply a few lines of source text.
But if the poster has already established that no problem of this nature
is occurring, e.g. by testing locally, then it doesn't matter in this
respect.
Stewart.
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kchayka wrote: Stewart Gordon wrote:
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Don't post code here, upload a minimised example using real content to
your web server, then post the URL here.
But why? Have you weighed up the pros and cons of the two approaches?
Why don't you just accept the fact that posting a URL is the accepted
convention of this newsgroup?
If you want to play here, following the rules will get you a whole lot
farther than ignoring them. ;)
Unless he's really just here to argue.
What's green, and lives under a bridge?
JRS: In article <lh*********************@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att
..net>, dated Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:05:53 remote, seen in news:comp.infosys
tems. www.authoring.stylesheets, Beauregard T. Shagnasty
<a.*********@example.invalid> posted : Stewart Gordon wrote:
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
<snip> More liberally translated:
Don't post code here, upload a minimised example using real content to
your web server, then post the URL here.
But why? Have you
Have I personally?
weighed up the pros and cons of the two approaches?
Yes. Why would I want to wade through dozens (sometimes people post
hundreds) of lines of HTML/CSS? Maybe a long line will wrap in my
newsreader, causing an error.
In order to test someone's problem, I would have to copy the code, save
it as an HTML file, possibly create a separate style sheet file, load it
on my development PC's web server, and view it in a browser just to
begin to see what is going on. And everyone reading the post would have
to do the same.
Then perhaps we discover that the OP did not include everything in the
'code post'. Or hand-typed with errors. This happens all the time.
If you place your sample on your own web server, we have instant access
to a full example, with your code. For CSS questions, I can then even
play with it live using my browser (Firefox/Web Developer's Toolbar).
That's rather egocentric.
While long code should undoubtedly not be put in the newsgroup, short
code is immediately accessible to those with off-line newsreaders, and
can be executed locally without delay.
If the code is only on the Web, the other readers will see the answer;
but will, not having seen the question, be less able to evaluate the
answer.
If the code has, as you desire, been minimised, and is then reasonably
short, the best approach is to put it in News (by copy'n'paste) and also
on the Web. That way both types of reader are suited.
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Tony wrote: kchayka wrote:
If you want to play here, following the rules will get you a whole lot
farther than ignoring them. ;)
Unless he's really just here to argue.
The more he posts, the more I think that is the case. Otherwise, he is
either arrogant or naive (maybe both) if he thinks he is the first to
state posting complete code is somehow better than a URL. :-\
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Stewart Gordon wrote: Andreas Prilop wrote: On Wed, 29 Mar 2006, Stewart Gordon wrote:
It's about CSS on the WWW, not on your computer.
In all my life, I'd never imagined that they were two different
languages. Please enlighten me. What's the difference?
A trivial example:
A webserver might send your stylesheets with type "text/plain"
or "text/html" or "text/css;charset=utf-7", which are all
wrong for this purpose.
Yes, that's quite a straightforward example. Another is transferring
from a case-insensitive to a case-sensitive file system. But these
aren't aspects of the CSS language itself.
True enough. But if the author /thinks/ the problem is CSS-related that
would lead to posting here. No way to help if you can't see the problem
online.
You cannot solve such a problem - cannot even see it - when you only
supply a few lines of source text.
But if the poster has already established that no problem of this nature
is occurring, e.g. by testing locally, then it doesn't matter in this
respect.
And what if he hasn't?
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Dr John Stockton wrote: That's rather egocentric.
What is?
I did not make up the convention that it is better to post a URL to a
web page than to post code here.
Jeez. I fill in a better description of someone else's very brief
comment about it and guys start pickin' on me... Go pick on them guys
from 1998.
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JRS: In article <n7*******************@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.n
et>, dated Thu, 30 Mar 2006 01:03:15 remote, seen in news:comp.infosyste
ms. www.authoring.stylesheets, Beauregard T. Shagnasty
<a.*********@example.invalid> posted : Dr John Stockton wrote:
That's rather egocentric.
What is?
That is. I quoted it.
I did not make up the convention that it is better to post a URL to a
web page than to post code here.
But you seem to be supporting it.
Or, in fact, you seem to be saying that the best thing to do is to post
ONLY a URL, without considering that there are alternative alternatives
- posting ONLY code, and posting both URL and (brief) code.
Jeez. I fill in a better description of someone else's very brief
comment about it and guys start pickin' on me... Go pick on them guys
from 1998.
You are not responsible for what you support; but you are responsible
for supporting it.
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