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Why is my page displayed differently on Mac vs. PC browsers?

I have a very simple page, which shows 3 Quicktime movies in a table. I
think I'm using just standard simple HTML. In Netscape or Safari on a Mac,
they look fine. In Internet Explorer on a PC, the bottom of the movies are
cut off (size issues with the table cells). Could someone look at the html
here

http://server.drmichaellevin.org/worm_supplement.html

and tell me why this is different on different platforms?

If you don't want to go to the URL, the code is this:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>Untitled Document</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
</head>

<body>
<table width="75%" border="1">
<tr><td>Control</td><td>PCPA</td><td>Reserpine</td></tr>
<tr>
<td><EMBED SRC="Supplement1.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
<td><EMBED SRC="Supplement2.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
<td><EMBED SRC="Supplement3.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>

Thanks in advance!

--

Mike Levin
ml******@comcast.net

Feb 25 '06 #1
22 2661
__/ [ Michael Levin ] on Saturday 25 February 2006 02:50 \__
I have a very simple page, which shows 3 Quicktime movies in a table. I
think I'm using just standard simple HTML. In Netscape or Safari on a Mac,
they look fine. In Internet Explorer on a PC, the bottom of the movies are
cut off (size issues with the table cells). Could someone look at the html
here

http://server.drmichaellevin.org/worm_supplement.html

and tell me why this is different on different platforms?

If you don't want to go to the URL, the code is this:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>Untitled Document</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
</head>

<body>
<table width="75%" border="1">
<tr><td>Control</td><td>PCPA</td><td>Reserpine</td></tr>
<tr>
<td><EMBED SRC="Supplement1.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true
PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
<td><EMBED SRC="Supplement2.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true
PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
<td><EMBED SRC="Supplement3.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true
PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>

Thanks in advance!


If I recall correctly, Internet Explorer does not interpret "height"
correctly. But then again, I am not sure that "height" within a <td> is
legal either. I have been through that frustration testing loop before. Rest
assured that Internet Explorer is on its way out.

"For quite a while now my main browser has been the open source Mozilla
Firefox browser. But in the interests of fairness, when the public IE7
beta came out I quickly downloaded it and started trying to use it as
my primary browser. I was anxious to see if the newly threatened
Microsoft could turn out something better than the fox. And the answer
is... No, at least not yet..."

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=15

Best wishes,

Roy

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Feb 25 '06 #2
In article <C0*********************@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
<ml******@comcast.net> wrote:
I have a very simple page, which shows 3 Quicktime movies in a table. I
think I'm using just standard simple HTML.


10 errors in the HTML according to
http://validator.w3.org/
Feb 25 '06 #3
On 2/25/06 6:21 AM, in article
25**********************@earthling.net.invalid, "Philo D"
<do***@earthling.net.invalid> wrote:
In article <C0*********************@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
<ml******@comcast.net> wrote:
I have a very simple page, which shows 3 Quicktime movies in a table. I
think I'm using just standard simple HTML.


10 errors in the HTML according to
http://validator.w3.org/


Wow - thanks - this looks like a very useful tool. But I'm confused - I must
be doing something very basic wrong because it doesn't seem to like anything
about the very short code, and I got it from a frequently-cited example of
how to include MPG in a web page (not to mention, it works correctly on 3
different browsers on a Mac). Do you have any ideas as to what I'm missing?
All I want is a table that plays 3 movies side-by-side, without having to
click on them (they just go, when the page is uploaded). What's a better way
to do it than

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>Untitled Document</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
</head>

<body>
<table width="75%" border="1">
<tr><td>Control</td><td>PCPA</td><td>Reserpine</td></tr>
<tr>
<td><EMBED SRC="Supplement1.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
<td><EMBED SRC="Supplement2.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
<td><EMBED SRC="Supplement3.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>

--

Mike Levin
ml******@comcast.net

Feb 26 '06 #4
Michael Levin <ml******@comcast.net> wrote:
On 2/25/06 6:21 AM, in article
25**********************@earthling.net.invalid, "Philo D"
<do***@earthling.net.invalid> wrote:
In article <C0253034.1BF91%ml******@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
<ml******@comcast.net> wrote:
I have a very simple page, which shows 3 Quicktime movies in a table. I
think I'm using just standard simple HTML.


10 errors in the HTML according to
http://validator.w3.org/


Wow - thanks - this looks like a very useful tool. But I'm confused - I must
be doing something very basic wrong because it doesn't seem to like anything
about the very short code, and I got it from a frequently-cited example of
how to include MPG in a web page (not to mention, it works correctly on 3
different browsers on a Mac). Do you have any ideas as to what I'm missing?


Apparently, EMBED is not allowed in a table element.
I'm not sure if it is allowed at all.

--
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to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour
Feb 26 '06 #5
Michael Levin <ml******@comcast.net> wrote:
All I want is a table that plays 3 movies side-by-side, without having to
click on them


Why?

--
Spartanicus
Feb 26 '06 #6
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:31:42 +0100, Spartanicus <in*****@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Michael Levin <ml******@comcast.net> wrote:
All I want is a table that plays 3 movies side-by-side, without having
to
click on them


Why?


Because he can? Oh, wait. He can't.

So, why? Good question.

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Feb 26 '06 #7
In article <C0*********************@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
<ml******@comcast.net> wrote:
On 2/25/06 6:21 AM, in article
25**********************@earthling.net.invalid, "Philo D"
<do***@earthling.net.invalid> wrote:
In article <C0253034.1BF91%ml******@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
<ml******@comcast.net> wrote:
I have a very simple page, which shows 3 Quicktime movies in a table. I
think I'm using just standard simple HTML.


10 errors in the HTML according to
http://validator.w3.org/


Wow - thanks - this looks like a very useful tool. But I'm confused
[...] Do you have any ideas as to what I'm missing?


First, decide which version of HTML you intend to write.
Put that in your header.
Then feed your page to validator.w3.org
Now, correct the first error it reports.
Then feed it to validator.w3.org again.
Eventually you should converge to a page with valid HTML.
Feb 26 '06 #8
On 2/26/06 8:31 AM, in article
ec********************************@n...utvinternet.ie,
"Spartanicus" <in*****@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Michael Levin <ml******@comcast.net> wrote:
All I want is a table that plays 3 movies side-by-side, without having to
click on them


Why?


this will be part of some data that I need to show reviewers of a biology
paper of ours. Each movie has a moving worm in it and I want people to
compare their behavior side-by-side as the movies play together.

--

Mike Levin
ml******@comcast.net

Feb 26 '06 #9
On 2/26/06 8:33 AM, in article op.s5k1aknzl8uz2z@zoete_b, "Barbara de Zoete"
<tr******@pretletters.net> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:31:42 +0100, Spartanicus <in*****@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
Michael Levin <ml******@comcast.net> wrote:
All I want is a table that plays 3 movies side-by-side, without having
to
click on them


Why?


Because he can? Oh, wait. He can't.

So, why? Good question.


I think I'm missing something. Is this really such a weird thing to want
to do (html-wise) or are people just curious as to what I intend to use this
for?

--

Mike Levin
ml******@comcast.net

Feb 26 '06 #10
On 2/26/06 12:19 PM, in article
26**********************@earthling.net.invalid, "Philo D"
<do***@earthling.net.invalid> wrote:
In article <C0*********************@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
<ml******@comcast.net> wrote:
On 2/25/06 6:21 AM, in article
250220060621407007%do***@earthling.net.invalid, "Philo D"
<do***@earthling.net.invalid> wrote:
In article <C0253034.1BF91%ml******@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
<ml******@comcast.net> wrote:

I have a very simple page, which shows 3 Quicktime movies in a table. I
think I'm using just standard simple HTML.

10 errors in the HTML according to
http://validator.w3.org/


Wow - thanks - this looks like a very useful tool. But I'm confused
[...] Do you have any ideas as to what I'm missing?


First, decide which version of HTML you intend to write.
Put that in your header.
Then feed your page to validator.w3.org
Now, correct the first error it reports.
Then feed it to validator.w3.org again.
Eventually you should converge to a page with valid HTML.


I understand the process of debugging but since this validator hated so
many things about my short code, I wonder whether rather trying to fix what
I have piece-meal, it might be better to start from scratch and use the
correct elements. I don't want to debug piece by piece if my whole approach
here is misguided and I need to use a different approach for this. How would
people go about displaying 3 quicktime MPG movies to run side-by-side?

--

Mike Levin
ml******@comcast.net

Feb 26 '06 #11
Michael Levin <ml******@comcast.net> writes:
Michael Levin <ml******@comcast.net> wrote:
All I want is a table that plays 3 movies side-by-side, without having to
click on them


this will be part of some data that I need to show reviewers of a biology
paper of ours. Each movie has a moving worm in it and I want people to
compare their behavior side-by-side as the movies play together.


A problem here is that the videos will load - and therefore may
start playing - at different times. If you have sufficiently capable
video-editing software available, then it might be best to combine the
videos into a single video file that showed the three individual
videos side by side in split-screen.

This reduces it to a much easier problem which can be solved by
embedding or linking to the video file as appropriate (linking will be
easier).

--
Chris
Feb 26 '06 #12
Michael Levin <ml******@comcast.net> wrote:
I understand the process of debugging but since this validator hated so
many things about my short code,


It's not that bad I think. As I said the primary error was the <EMBED>
tag in the table cells. Most other errors followed from that.

--
I recommend Macs to my friends, and Windows machines
to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour
Feb 26 '06 #13
On 2/26/06 4:58 PM, in article
1hbe2dt.ohgbf51rc59hcN%andekl_no@saaf_spam.se, "Anders Eklöf"
<andekl_no@saaf_spam.se> wrote:
Michael Levin <ml******@comcast.net> wrote:
I understand the process of debugging but since this validator hated so
many things about my short code,


It's not that bad I think. As I said the primary error was the <EMBED>
tag in the table cells. Most other errors followed from that.


ok; can you suggest an alternative that would be valid (or more
importantly, would display correctly in Internet Explorer on a PC)?

--

Mike Levin
ml******@comcast.net

Feb 26 '06 #14
Michael Levin <ml******@comcast.net> wrote:
I understand the process of debugging but since this validator hated so
many things about my short code,


It's not that bad I think. As I said the primary error was the <EMBED>
tag in the table cells. Most other errors followed from that.


ok; can you suggest an alternative that would be valid (or more
importantly, would display correctly in Internet Explorer on a PC)?


You've been given good advice for your situation, edit the three videos
into one, then link to the video.

--
Spartanicus
Feb 26 '06 #15
On 2/26/06 3:42 PM, in article 87************@dinopsis.dur.ac.uk, "Chris
Morris" <c.********@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
A problem here is that the videos will load - and therefore may
start playing - at different times. If you have sufficiently capable
video-editing software available, then it might be best to combine the
videos into a single video file that showed the three individual
videos side by side in split-screen.

This reduces it to a much easier problem which can be solved by
embedding or linking to the video file as appropriate (linking will be
easier).


good idea (I hadn't seen this post before now)! Can you suggest any such
software? I've got iMovie and QuickTime Pro, neither of which seem to allow
me to do that. I can get hold of a PC if need be (I do most of my work on a
Mac); is there a good program that allows side-by-side linking?

Mike

--

Mike Levin
ml******@comcast.net

Feb 27 '06 #16
On 2/26/06 5:30 PM, in article
vn********************************@n...utvinternet.ie,
"Spartanicus" <in*****@invalid.invalid> wrote:
You've been given good advice for your situation, edit the three videos
into one, then link to the video.


good idea! I hadn't seen this post before now - I think it hadn't made it to
my news server when I posted my last reply. Anyway, can you suggest any such
software? I've got iMovie and QuickTime Pro, neither of which seem to allow
me to do that. I can get hold of a PC if need be (I do most of my work on a
Mac); is there a good program that allows side-by-side linking?

--

Mike Levin
ml******@comcast.net

Feb 27 '06 #17
Michael Levin <ml******@comcast.net> wrote:
You've been given good advice for your situation, edit the three videos
into one, then link to the video.


good idea! I hadn't seen this post before now - I think it hadn't made it to
my news server when I posted my last reply. Anyway, can you suggest any such
software? I've got iMovie and QuickTime Pro, neither of which seem to allow
me to do that. I can get hold of a PC if need be (I do most of my work on a
Mac); is there a good program that allows side-by-side linking?


Any decent video editor should do, the best known video editor for the
Mac is probably Adobe Premiere.

Use the video *source* files to create the new video, not compressed
file formats such as QuickTime.

--
Spartanicus
Feb 27 '06 #18

"Michael Levin" <ml******@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:C0253034.1BF91%ml******@comcast.net...
I have a very simple page, which shows 3 Quicktime movies in a table. I
think I'm using just standard simple HTML. In Netscape or Safari on a Mac,
they look fine. In Internet Explorer on a PC, the bottom of the movies are
cut off (size issues with the table cells). Could someone look at the html
here

http://server.drmichaellevin.org/worm_supplement.html

and tell me why this is different on different platforms?

If you don't want to go to the URL, the code is this:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> [snip] Thanks in advance!

--

Mike Levin
ml******@comcast.net


I may be missing something, but your code works beautifully in
IE 6.0 on two PCs here, both with Win2000 SP4 and WinXP Prof
2002 SP2. Nor height problem with MOVs, nothing cut off!

Siggi
Mar 3 '06 #19
Michael Ulrich <sm***********@yahoo.com> wrote:
I may be missing something, but your code works beautifully in
IE 6.0 on two PCs here, both with Win2000 SP4 and WinXP Prof
2002 SP2. Nor height problem with MOVs, nothing cut off!


Well, his post was 6 days ago, so there's a strong possibility he's made
changes since then.

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Mar 3 '06 #20

"Mike Rosenberg" <mi**@POSTTOGROUP.invalid> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:1hbm71s.17dn01yp1lhm0N%mi**@POSTTOGROUP.inval id...
Well, his post was 6 days ago, so there's a strong possibility he's made
changes since then.


I know I'm a bit slow; just wondered what his problem was.
I have none with his original code.

Siggi
Mar 3 '06 #21
Michael Ulrich <sm***********@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Mike Rosenberg" <mi**@POSTTOGROUP.invalid> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:1hbm71s.17dn01yp1lhm0N%mi**@POSTTOGROUP.inval id...
Well, his post was 6 days ago, so there's a strong possibility he's made
changes since then.


I know I'm a bit slow; just wondered what his problem was.
I have none with his original code.


It's still there - he didn't change it.
As I see it, the problem is that EMBED is not approved by W3C, and
thus there is no standard on the implementation of such elements.
So it may look different in different browsers

--
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to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour
Mar 3 '06 #22
In article <C0*********************@comcast.net>,
Michael Levin <ml******@comcast.net> wrote:
On 2/26/06 3:42 PM, in article 87************@dinopsis.dur.ac.uk, "Chris
Morris" <c.********@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
A problem here is that the videos will load - and therefore may
start playing - at different times. If you have sufficiently capable
video-editing software available, then it might be best to combine the
videos into a single video file that showed the three individual
videos side by side in split-screen.
good idea (I hadn't seen this post before now)! Can you suggest any such
software? I've got iMovie and QuickTime Pro, neither of which seem to allow
me to do that.


Off-topic, but QuickTime Player Pro allows it like this:
1) Create a still image of the desired movie size.
2) Import it as image sequence.
3) Paste the three movies in (each at the start of the new movie) using
the Add to Movie command (command-option-v) instead of regular paste.
4) In the properties of the video tracks (command-j) adjust the offset
of the second and third track.
5) Turn on High Quality on all video tracks to prevent flicker.
6) Export using a more efficient codec (e.g. Animation in this case).

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Mar 4 '06 #23

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