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Another ALT question.

Hello all,

Just a question: Is the text in an ALT attribute indexed by Google/search
engines? I'm curious. I see a number of sites around the 'net that use
rollover images as their navigation menu items. How is that menu
indexed/crawled by search engines? If an image is used in someone's
navigation menu and they provide ALT text for it, is that text indexed?

Thanks.
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Viken K.
http://home.comcast.net/~vikenk

Feb 10 '06 #1
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Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, Viken Karaguesian
<vikenkNO_SPAM@NO_SPAMcomcast.net> declared in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html:
Just a question: Is the text in an ALT attribute indexed by Google/search
engines?
Hard to say. I didn't think so, though Google's recommendations imply
otherwise:
"Make sure that your TITLE and ALT tags are descriptive and accurate."
(Ignoring the fact that there is no such thing as an "ALT tag").
I see a number of sites around the 'net that use
rollover images as their navigation menu items. How is that menu
indexed/crawled by search engines?


They will follow the link (assuming it is a real link, not Javascript
mumbo-jumbo), but that's it.
"The Google crawler doesn't recognize text contained in images."

Both quotes from:
http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html

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Mark Parnell

Now implementing http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
Feb 10 '06 #2
On Thu, 9 Feb 2006, Viken Karaguesian wrote:
Just a question: Is the text in an ALT attribute indexed by
Google/search engines?
The last time that I looked into this, the regular Google text
search seemed as if it had only indexed ALT text where it was inside
<a href="..>...</a>

Other search engines have different policies.

Google Images, on the other hand, seemed to index ALT text
more generally.
I'm curious. I see a number of sites around the 'net that use
rollover images as their navigation menu items. How is that menu
indexed/crawled by search engines?
That seems to be a different question...
If an image is used in someone's navigation menu and they provide
ALT text for it, is that text indexed?
Based on the above observations, I'd say "yes", since a menu item
would not be of much use if it was outside of <a href="..">

Of course the link has to be right there in the HTML - it's not much
use if it's only generated after executing some javascript, taking
into account that indexing robots in general won't execute javascript
to find out what happens (and I can't say I blame them).
Thanks.


Seems to me there's something behind your question, that you haven't
quite revealed. Presumably you're planning to do something (what?),
and are wondering what effect it might or might not have on being
indexed. Your apparently random reference to a rollover was some kind
of clue that there's a real question behind the one that you overtly
asked.

Maybe if you were a bit more frank about your question, you'd get a
better quality answer. But don't overlook the fact that the indexing
services are tuning their rules all the time - tuning a web site to
what we deduce they are doing currently (based on past observations)
is no guarantee of future success. If you see what I mean.
Feb 10 '06 #3
> Seems to me there's something behind your question, that you haven't
quite revealed. Presumably you're planning to do something (what?),
and are wondering what effect it might or might not have on being
indexed. Your apparently random reference to a rollover was some kind
of clue that there's a real question behind the one that you overtly
asked.
Nope. I was perusing the discussion group of the dhtml menu that I use and
someone asked for help (unrelated to this question). He left a link and I
looked at his site. The menu and navigation were all based on a mapped image
and on other images / rollovers.

So I began to wonder. How would a search engine index a site like this, with
no real text in the menu and sparse text in the body?

Just a curiousity question. Really. :>)
Maybe if you were a bit more frank about your question, you'd get a
better quality answer.


I'm sorry if I led you to believe that I had an ulterior motive.

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Viken K.
http://home.comcast.net/~vikenk
Feb 10 '06 #4
Mark Parnell wrote:
"Make sure that your TITLE and ALT tags are descriptive and accurate."
(Ignoring the fact that there is no such thing as an "ALT tag").


And I don't think they really meant "TITLE tag" either, as the TITLE tag
doesn't really have any scope to be descriptive.

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Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me ~ http://tobyinkster.co.uk/contact

Feb 10 '06 #5
In our last episode,
<10****************@markparnell.com.au>,
the lovely and talented Mark Parnell
broadcast on comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html:
Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, Viken Karaguesian
<vikenkNO_SPAM@NO_SPAMcomcast.net> declared in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html:
Just a question: Is the text in an ALT attribute indexed by Google/search
engines?

Hard to say. I didn't think so, though Google's recommendations imply
otherwise:
"Make sure that your TITLE and ALT tags are descriptive and accurate."
(Ignoring the fact that there is no such thing as an "ALT tag").


I would guess that is for google images, but I doubt it is
reflected in web google, or else there would be many more hits
for "spacer."
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Lars Eighner us****@larseighner.com http://www.larseighner.com/
All rights left. All lefts reserved. All reserves removed. All removes right.
Feb 10 '06 #6
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Alan J. Flavell wrote:
The last time that I looked into this, the regular Google text
search seemed as if it had only indexed ALT text where it was inside
<a href="..>...</a>
Right:
<http://google.com/search?q=cache:ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/alt/alt-text.html+%22Supplying+ALT+attributes+doesn+t+make +the+pictures+disappear%22&strip=1>
Google Images, on the other hand, seemed to index ALT text
more generally.


Right:
<http://google.com/images?q=%22Supplying+ALT+attributes+doesn+t+make+ the+pictures+disappear%22>

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Feb 10 '06 #7

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