Site review

[TC]

This is my very first website using CSS. Constructive criticisms
appreciated.

http://www.unitedhunters.org/index.html

[Leonard Blaisdell]

In article <Ze******************@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>,
"TC" <no*****@yahoo.com> wrote:

This is my very first website using CSS. Constructive criticisms
appreciated.

http://www.unitedhunters.org/index.html

Only constructive criticism? Well, your 'Articles' link doesn't work.
Some will bitch that you are using a mailto link for email. I haven't
checked your HTML or CSS on the validators, but it loads like lightning
on a dialup using Safari. Your links to outside sites aren't your
concern. It looks good in Lynx. Text expansion and contraction acts as
it should as does page resizing. I don't even hate the layout or
background. There are probably text-size issues that I won't address.
IMO it's far better than ninety percent plus of existing sites.

leo

--
<http://web0.greatbasin.net/~leo/>

[Spartanicus]

"TC" <no*****@yahoo.com> wrote:

This is my very first website using CSS. Constructive criticisms
appreciated.
This is more on topic in alt.html.critique
http://www.unitedhunters.org/index.html

a) "logo" is not a correct textual alternative for the logo image.
b) Your logo should be marked up as the h1, with the current h1 content
as the alt content of the image.
c) Ditch the presentational markup such as <center>, the border
attribute etc.
d) You've replicated the content as alt content: <a ...><img ...
alt="Click here to join floridahunters"><br>Click to join
floridahunters</a>, this makes no sense.
e) <img ...></img> empty elements should be quick closed under XHTML
rules (<img ... />).
f) It doesn't conform to Appendix C guidelines (space before quick
closing an element).
g) Your HTML doesn't validate.

--
Spartanicus

[Roedy Green]

On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 02:04:41 GMT, "TC" <no*****@yahoo.com> wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

http://www.unitedhunters.org/index.html

you are missing the home addresses of the principles so animal rights
people can shoot them back.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching.

[Stan Brown]

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 20:57:09 -0800 from Leonard Blaisdell
<le*@greatbasin.com>:

Some will bitch that you are using a mailto link for email.

??? What other link _could_ one use?

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
HTML 4.01 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/
validator: http://validator.w3.org/
CSS 2.1 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/
validator: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
Why We Won't Help You:
http://diveintomark.org/archives/200..._wont_help_you

[Stan Brown]

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:20:24 GMT from Spartanicus
<in*****@invalid.invalid>:

d) You've replicated the content as alt content: <a ...><img ...
alt="Click here to join floridahunters"><br>Click to join
floridahunters</a>, this makes no sense.

And "Click" is amateurish:

'Why "Click here" is bad linking practice'
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www/click.html

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
HTML 4.01 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/
validator: http://validator.w3.org/
CSS 2.1 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/
validator: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
Why We Won't Help You:
http://diveintomark.org/archives/200..._wont_help_you

[TC]

Stan Brown wrote:

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:20:24 GMT from Spartanicus
<in*****@invalid.invalid>:

d) You've replicated the content as alt content: <a ...><img ...
alt="Click here to join floridahunters"><br>Click to join
floridahunters</a>, this makes no sense.

And "Click" is amateurish:

Someone should tell Yahoo this. This code is what is provided from
Yahoo. It was a cut and paste.

[Chris Hughes]

In message <q4*********************@tornado.tampabay.rr.com >, TC
<no*****@yahoo.com> writes

Stan Brown wrote:

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:20:24 GMT from Spartanicus
<in*****@invalid.invalid>:

> d) You've replicated the content as alt content: <a ...><img ...
> alt="Click here to join floridahunters"><br>Click to join
> floridahunters</a>, this makes no sense.

And "Click" is amateurish:

Someone should tell Yahoo this. This code is what is provided from
Yahoo. It was a cut and paste.

May I add that is very much more readable if you can that all-over
background?
--
Chris Hughes
"Reality is that which, when you cease to believe, continues to exist."
http://www.epicure.demon.co.uk

[Jim Moe]

TC wrote:

This is my very first website using CSS. Constructive criticisms
appreciated.

The background image is too dark. It greatly lowers the readable
contrast of the content. Use of such backgrounds requires that they be
almost completely faded to white.
Specify a default background color. Some people do not allow images to
load in their browser (try it yourself, it's entertaining) and their
default background may not work well with your foreground colors.
The "Click to join..." text shows up twice when images are disabled.
Also that section of code is invalid. And the image link is broken.
Why the mix of fonts for <Hx>? The first is Times New, followed by
Arial (ugh) and the default sans-serif. It seems rather odd.
Otherwise it is very well put together.

--
jmm (hyphen) list (at) sohnen-moe (dot) com
(Remove .AXSPAMGN for email)

[Chris Beall]

TC wrote:

This is my very first website using CSS. Constructive criticisms
appreciated.

http://www.unitedhunters.org/index.html

TC,

External appearance is good, much better than most.

The leafy background makes text hard to read, especially full
paragraphs, as on the home page. It needs to be very pale.

On the Articles page, change the link for "Learn to use a Compass" to
point directly to http://www.learn-orienteering.org/old/lesson1.html.
This will save your visitors two clicks and a lot of searching through
irrelevant material.

Inconsistency: Some offsite links (photos, for example) open a new
window. Others (Learn to use a Compass, for example) don't.

Suggestion: Style off-site links differently, so users can tell that
they will be going somewhere else.

The Membership page has a horizontal scroll bar on a 600 X 800 window.
Other pages don't. That's because you have a <pre> tag at the top of
the text, which inhibits word spill.

Mystery: Using Netscape 7.1, your logo in the upper left corner looks
odd. Although the original image is clear, when displayed on the pages,
the right half of the image is mottled, as if viewed through a screen.
It looks OK in IE 6.

Chris Beall

[Eric Lindsay]

In article <MP************************@news.individual.net> ,
Stan Brown <th************@fastmail.fm> wrote:

Wed, 02 Nov 2005 20:57:09 -0800 from Leonard Blaisdell
<le*@greatbasin.com>:

Some will bitch that you are using a mailto link for email.

??? What other link _could_ one use?

I was wondering what alternatives there were to a mailto link also.

Although with the amount of spam out there, I am increasingly reluctant
to put any sort of mail link anywhere on a web page. The spammers long
ago managed to get past the few simple methods of obscuring the mailto
link content that I knew. I am gradually going through removing every
mail link that I have, as I notice them, but that will eventually mean
that no-one can send me legitimate mail unless they happen to know me.

--
http://www.ericlindsay.com

[Leonard Blaisdell]

In article <MP************************@news.individual.net> ,
Stan Brown <th************@fastmail.fm> wrote:

??? What other link _could_ one use?

A form instead of a link. But you knew that :-)

leo

--
<http://web0.greatbasin.net/~leo/>

[Stan Brown]

Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:28:31 -0800 from Leonard Blaisdell
<le*@greatbasin.com>:

In article <MP************************@news.individual.net> ,
Stan Brown <th************@fastmail.fm> wrote:

??? What other link _could_ one use?

A form instead of a link. But you knew that :-)

No, I was thrown off by your "some will bitch" about using a mailto.
I know of no possible objection to a mailto from the user's point pf
view.

Forms have a number of well-known problems from the user's point of
view, however well they may serve authors' desire to avoid spam even
at the cost of losing legitimate mail.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
HTML 4.01 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/
validator: http://validator.w3.org/
CSS 2.1 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/
validator: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
Why We Won't Help You:
http://diveintomark.org/archives/200..._wont_help_you

[TC]

Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

In article <Ze******************@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>,
"TC" <no*****@yahoo.com> wrote:

This is my very first website using CSS. Constructive criticisms
appreciated.

http://www.unitedhunters.org/index.html

Only constructive criticism? Well, your 'Articles' link doesn't work.
Some will bitch that you are using a mailto link for email. I haven't
checked your HTML or CSS on the validators, but it loads like
lightning on a dialup using Safari. Your links to outside sites
aren't your concern. It looks good in Lynx. Text expansion and
contraction acts as it should as does page resizing. I don't even
hate the layout or background. There are probably text-size issues
that I won't address. IMO it's far better than ninety percent plus
of existing sites.

leo

What is the Articles link doing? Or not doing?

[TC]

Chris Beall wrote:

TC wrote:

This is my very first website using CSS. Constructive criticisms
appreciated.

http://www.unitedhunters.org/index.html
TC,

External appearance is good, much better than most.

Thanks!

The leafy background makes text hard to read, especially full
paragraphs, as on the home page. It needs to be very pale.
I'll pale it down. I agree. I recommended against the background but
the directors really wanted it done.

On the Articles page, change the link for "Learn to use a Compass" to
point directly to http://www.learn-orienteering.org/old/lesson1.html.
This will save your visitors two clicks and a lot of searching
through irrelevant material.
Done.

Inconsistency: Some offsite links (photos, for example) open a new
window. Others (Learn to use a Compass, for example) don't.
I was in the process of removing deprecated target=_blank attributes. I
missed those. Is there a suitable replacement?

Suggestion: Style off-site links differently, so users can tell that
they will be going somewhere else.

The Membership page has a horizontal scroll bar on a 600 X 800
window. Other pages don't. That's because you have a <pre> tag at
the top of the text, which inhibits word spill.
What is this in? I can't see this.

Mystery: Using Netscape 7.1, your logo in the upper left corner
looks odd. Although the original image is clear, when displayed on
the pages, the right half of the image is mottled, as if viewed
through a screen. It looks OK in IE 6.

Chris Beall

Thanks for the review!

[TC]

TC wrote:

This is my very first website using CSS. Constructive criticisms
appreciated.

http://www.unitedhunters.org/index.html

Thanks all! I've made some changes and researched other issues. It's a
good learning experience.