Inconsistent behavior

[Matt Silberstein]

Here is an odd one. Take a look at
http://www.nyccure.com/test/changes.html using Firefox. Now reload the
page a few times. It will change. All I have is a ul with some images
as list items.

Yes, I know that inline-block is not defined and I am sure that is the
problem. But it is not simply that it does not display the way I
thought, it is that the display changes with the reload.

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[Els]

Matt Silberstein wrote:

Here is an odd one. Take a look at
http://www.nyccure.com/test/changes.html using Firefox. Now reload the
page a few times. It will change. All I have is a ul with some images
as list items.

Yes, I know that inline-block is not defined and I am sure that is the
problem. But it is not simply that it does not display the way I
thought, it is that the display changes with the reload.

No changes here - every reload shows the same thing.
Tested in Firefox 0.8 and 1.0.6.

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[Matt Silberstein]

On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 19:08:20 +0200, in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets , Els
<el*********@tiscali.nl> in <x3***************@locusmeus.com> wrote:

Matt Silberstein wrote:

Here is an odd one. Take a look at
http://www.nyccure.com/test/changes.html using Firefox. Now reload the
page a few times. It will change. All I have is a ul with some images
as list items.

Yes, I know that inline-block is not defined and I am sure that is the
problem. But it is not simply that it does not display the way I
thought, it is that the display changes with the reload.

No changes here - every reload shows the same thing.
Tested in Firefox 0.8 and 1.0.6.

Hmmm. I have FF 1.0.7 but I doubt that makes a difference. But I just
noticed that the list does not go all the way across the screen here.
I am sure that is what causes the display change, a problem with
figuring out the width. But why does it give me 2+ rows? I only just
noticed because the original this came from has a width limitation. I
don't see anything in this file that would limit the width. And other
pages do go full width, so it is not something obvious about FF.

Gad, I hate computers.


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[Matt Silberstein]

On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:48:55 GMT, in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets , Matt Silberstein
<Re**************************@ix.netcom.com> in
<qi********************************@4ax.com> wrote:

On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 19:08:20 +0200, in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets , Els
<el*********@tiscali.nl> in <x3***************@locusmeus.com> wrote:

Matt Silberstein wrote:

Here is an odd one. Take a look at
http://www.nyccure.com/test/changes.html using Firefox. Now reload the
page a few times. It will change. All I have is a ul with some images
as list items.

Yes, I know that inline-block is not defined and I am sure that is the
problem. But it is not simply that it does not display the way I
thought, it is that the display changes with the reload.

No changes here - every reload shows the same thing.
Tested in Firefox 0.8 and 1.0.6.

Hmmm. I have FF 1.0.7 but I doubt that makes a difference. But I just
noticed that the list does not go all the way across the screen here.
I am sure that is what causes the display change, a problem with
figuring out the width. But why does it give me 2+ rows? I only just
noticed because the original this came from has a width limitation. I
don't see anything in this file that would limit the width. And other
pages do go full width, so it is not something obvious about FF.

Gad, I hate computers.

I just increased the number of items in the list. It now has multiple
roes that go further across the page, though not all the way, and
still gives changing behavior. I don't understand.

And Opera just makes them march across the page in one row.
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[Els]

Matt Silberstein wrote:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:48:55 GMT, in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets , Matt Silberstein
<Re**************************@ix.netcom.com> in
<qi********************************@4ax.com> wrote:

On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 19:08:20 +0200, in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets , Els
<el*********@tiscali.nl> in <x3***************@locusmeus.com> wrote:

Matt Silberstein wrote:

Here is an odd one. Take a look at
http://www.nyccure.com/test/changes.html using Firefox. Now reload the
page a few times. It will change. All I have is a ul with some images
as list items.

Yes, I know that inline-block is not defined and I am sure that is the
problem. But it is not simply that it does not display the way I
thought, it is that the display changes with the reload.

No changes here - every reload shows the same thing.
Tested in Firefox 0.8 and 1.0.6.

Hmmm. I have FF 1.0.7 but I doubt that makes a difference. But I just
noticed that the list does not go all the way across the screen here.
I am sure that is what causes the display change, a problem with
figuring out the width. But why does it give me 2+ rows? I only just
noticed because the original this came from has a width limitation. I
don't see anything in this file that would limit the width. And other
pages do go full width, so it is not something obvious about FF.

Gad, I hate computers.

I just increased the number of items in the list. It now has multiple
roes that go further across the page, though not all the way, and
still gives changing behavior. I don't understand.

And Opera just makes them march across the page in one row.

Yup - and that's what Firefox does every couple of reloads as well.
It alternates between 1, 2 and 3 rows (of different lengts). Both
FF1.0.6 and 0.8.

--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vão. O resto é imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -

[Matt Silberstein]

On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 20:19:01 +0200, in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets , Els
<el*********@tiscali.nl> in <1w****************@locusmeus.com> wrote:

Matt Silberstein wrote:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:48:55 GMT, in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets , Matt Silberstein
<Re**************************@ix.netcom.com> in
<qi********************************@4ax.com> wrote:

On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 19:08:20 +0200, in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets , Els
<el*********@tiscali.nl> in <x3***************@locusmeus.com> wrote:

Matt Silberstein wrote:

> Here is an odd one. Take a look at
> http://www.nyccure.com/test/changes.html using Firefox. Now reload the
> page a few times. It will change. All I have is a ul with some images
> as list items.
>
> Yes, I know that inline-block is not defined and I am sure that is the
> problem. But it is not simply that it does not display the way I
> thought, it is that the display changes with the reload.

No changes here - every reload shows the same thing.
Tested in Firefox 0.8 and 1.0.6.

Hmmm. I have FF 1.0.7 but I doubt that makes a difference. But I just
noticed that the list does not go all the way across the screen here.
I am sure that is what causes the display change, a problem with
figuring out the width. But why does it give me 2+ rows? I only just
noticed because the original this came from has a width limitation. I
don't see anything in this file that would limit the width. And other
pages do go full width, so it is not something obvious about FF.

Gad, I hate computers.

I just increased the number of items in the list. It now has multiple
roes that go further across the page, though not all the way, and
still gives changing behavior. I don't understand.

And Opera just makes them march across the page in one row.

Yup - and that's what Firefox does every couple of reloads as well.
It alternates between 1, 2 and 3 rows (of different lengts). Both
FF1.0.6 and 0.8.

At least you see it as well. Has anyone seen this kind of behavior
before?


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[Roedy Green]

On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:57:11 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<Re**************************@ix.netcom.com> wrote or quoted :

http://www.nyccure.com/test/changes.html using Firefox. Now reload the
page a few times. It will change. All I have is a ul with some images
as list items.

I checked with FireFox 1.0.7. IT sometimes shows 1 line and sometimes
2.

What you have done would require a report to the SPCA if you attempted
the analogous thing on an animal.

I am not surprised it writhes.

1. you put the id on the wrong element.

2. you tried to turn a LI into a DT, and yet you overrode just a
handful of attributes. I would expect LI would still have many of its
list-itemish attributes from the default browser setting that could
have something to do with the instability.

3. If you are going to do weird things like this, it seems you would
have to modify both UL and LI.

4. I have noticed that ANY page will often render incompletely if you
stop it and reload it.
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[Matt Silberstein]

On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 08:18:38 GMT, in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets , Roedy Green
<my******************************@munged.invalid > in
<3g********************************@4ax.com> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 16:57:11 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<Re**************************@ix.netcom.com> wrote or quoted :

http://www.nyccure.com/test/changes.html using Firefox. Now reload the
page a few times. It will change. All I have is a ul with some images
as list items.
I checked with FireFox 1.0.7. IT sometimes shows 1 line and sometimes
2.

What you have done would require a report to the SPCA if you attempted
the analogous thing on an animal.

I am not surprised it writhes.

1. you put the id on the wrong element.

Changing that did not help. But correcting that does not help.

http://www.nyccure.com/test/changes2.html

This version fixes you the problem you mention in 3 below. It still
changes, but does not show as many forms.
2. you tried to turn a LI into a DT, and yet you overrode just a
handful of attributes. I would expect LI would still have many of its
list-itemish attributes from the default browser setting that could
have something to do with the instability.
I don't see how I turned it into a DT. I

3. If you are going to do weird things like this, it seems you would
have to modify both UL and LI.

4. I have noticed that ANY page will often render incompletely if you
stop it and reload it.

But this finished loading each time and still changed.

Does anyone have a simply photo gallery? I don't have titles for the
images and I want a border around them, one that will change with a
hover. Finally, I want it to make the images fit no matter the screen
size by adjusting the number in the line. I can't seem to get it to
work. I am using a ul because this seems to me to be a large menu. I
can put borders around the images, but can't make them change with a
hover. Is this impossible without JavaScript? If so, I will figure out
some other way to make it obvious they are linked images.
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