stylesheet for bibliography

[raykyoto]

Hi all,

I must be re-inventing the wheel, but I can't seem to find a stylesheet
for bibliographies. I'm probably inputting the wrong keywords into
Google... Well, I gave up searching and since I needed an excuse to
try to learn CSS anyway, I gave it a try. But, I'm stuck with one
thing.

With the book and the help pages I've read so far, all of the examples
have to do with making text within a set of tags colored, italics, etc.
Is it possible to use a stylesheet to ADD text? For example:

<atitle>This is some title</atitle>

to become

"This is some title".

Or is the only way to do this is to explicitly put punctuation marks
inside. As in:

<atitle>"This is some title".</atitle>

I would like a style sheet to do it because every title will be
enclosed in quotation marks and end in a period. Is this considered a
"style"?

Thank you in advance!

Ray

[Rincewind]

On 16 Sep 2005 08:08:13 -0700, ra******@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all,

I must be re-inventing the wheel, but I can't seem to find a stylesheet
for bibliographies. I'm probably inputting the wrong keywords into
Google... Well, I gave up searching and since I needed an excuse to
try to learn CSS anyway, I gave it a try. But, I'm stuck with one
thing.

With the book and the help pages I've read so far, all of the examples
have to do with making text within a set of tags colored, italics, etc.
Is it possible to use a stylesheet to ADD text? For example:

<atitle>This is some title</atitle>

to become

"This is some title".

Or is the only way to do this is to explicitly put punctuation marks
inside. As in:

<atitle>"This is some title".</atitle>

I would like a style sheet to do it because every title will be
enclosed in quotation marks and end in a period. Is this considered a
"style"?

Thank you in advance!

Ray

I don't think you can do this with CSS, it seems more the sort of thing to
be done via a scripting language like PHP where it would be very easy.

Or as you say "explicitly put punctuation marks inside". Easy but time
consuming if you have a lot of records.

[Martin Geisler]

ra******@gmail.com writes:

Hi all,

I must be re-inventing the wheel, but I can't seem to find a stylesheet
for bibliographies. I'm probably inputting the wrong keywords into
Google... Well, I gave up searching and since I needed an excuse to
try to learn CSS anyway, I gave it a try. But, I'm stuck with one
thing.

With the book and the help pages I've read so far, all of the examples
have to do with making text within a set of tags colored, italics, etc.
Is it possible to use a stylesheet to ADD text? For example:

<atitle>This is some title</atitle>

You cannot invent new elements like that --- you have to stick with
the elements defined by (X)HTML. But you can write

<p class="title">This is some title</p>

to mark a paragraph as being a title with regard to the CSS rules you
write. To have quotation marks added automatically use the :before
and :after pseudo-classes together with the content property:

http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/generate.html#content

A stylesheet like this would work in your case:

p.title:before {
content: "“";
}

p.title:after {
content: ".�";
}

It works in some modern browsers, such as Firefox.

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[Robi]

"Martin Geisler" <mg******@mgeisler.net> wrote in message news:87************@futtelifut.dyndns.org...

On 16 Sep 2005 08:08:13 -0700, ra******@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all,

I must be re-inventing the wheel, but I can't seem to find a stylesheet
for bibliographies. I'm probably inputting the wrong keywords into
Google... Well, I gave up searching and since I needed an excuse to
try to learn CSS anyway, I gave it a try. But, I'm stuck with one
thing.

With the book and the help pages I've read so far, all of the examples
have to do with making text within a set of tags colored, italics, etc.
Is it possible to use a stylesheet to ADD text? For example:

<atitle>This is some title</atitle>
You cannot invent new elements like that --- you have to stick with
the elements defined by (X)HTML.

well, actually you can, but they won't be necessarily rendered by agents ;-)
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/html/own-dtd.html
But you can write

<p class="title">This is some title</p>

to mark a paragraph as being a title with regard to the CSS rules you
write. To have quotation marks added automatically use the :before
and :after pseudo-classes together with the content property:

http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/generate.html#content

A stylesheet like this would work in your case:

p.title:before {
content: "“"; ^^^ que??? }

p.title:after {
content: ".�"; ^^^ huh??? }

It works in some modern browsers, such as Firefox.

what's that in the before/after content? (after the period)

[Martin Geisler]

"Robi" <[e-mail]> writes:

[...] --- you have to stick with the elements defined by (X)HTML.

well, actually you can, but they won't be necessarily rendered by
agents ;-) http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/html/own-dtd.html

Hmm, yes, of course :-)

A stylesheet like this would work in your case:

p.title:before {
content: "“";

^^^ que???

}

p.title:after {
content: "�.";

^^^ huh???

}

It works in some modern browsers, such as Firefox.

what's that in the before/after content? (after the period)

It was curly quotes, UTF-8 encoded as far as I know: U+201C and
U+201D. I hope my Gnus encoded them correctly, but I'm not sending
UTF-8 encoded news that often so it might have failed.

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[raykyoto]

Hi all,

Thank you for your replies! Adding that to the p tag wasn't what I had
in mind, but I did give it a try and it seemed to work. I then played
around and tried this:

atitle:before {
content: """;
}

atitle:after {
content: "."";
}

This worked...in Firefox...but I presume it isn't supported by other
browsers? I was trying to replicate something like what LaTeX's bibtex
does (or even Endnote). But, perhaps Rincewind has a better
idea...that is to use php. Perhaps keeping my bibliography entries in
a flat file and letting php loop through it might be a better idea...

Thank you for your help!

Ray

[Lauri Raittila]

in comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets, ra******@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all,

Thank you for your replies! Adding that to the p tag wasn't what I had
in mind, but I did give it a try and it seemed to work. I then played
around and tried this:

atitle:before {
content: """;
}

atitle:after {
content: "."";
}

This worked...in Firefox...but I presume it isn't supported by other
browsers?
Unless I am mistaken, it shoudl not work, you need to escape " or use
curly one in right encoding. If you did escape those quotes, then it
should work on Opera 6+ as well, but not in IE. (URL would be much more
useful than code here...)
Perhaps keeping my bibliography entries in
a flat file and letting php loop through it might be a better idea...

Yes, you could also change your own xml to (x)html in process.

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[Norman L. DeForest]

On Sat, 17 Sep 2005, Martin Geisler wrote:

"Robi" <[e-mail]> writes:

[...] --- you have to stick with the elements defined by (X)HTML.

well, actually you can, but they won't be necessarily rendered by
agents ;-) http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/html/own-dtd.html

Hmm, yes, of course :-)

A stylesheet like this would work in your case:

p.title:before {
content: "“";

^^^ que???

}

p.title:after {
content: "�.";

^^^ huh???

}

It works in some modern browsers, such as Firefox.

what's that in the before/after content? (after the period)

It was curly quotes, UTF-8 encoded as far as I know: U+201C and
U+201D. I hope my Gnus encoded them correctly, but I'm not sending
UTF-8 encoded news that often so it might have failed.

In Pine[1], I saw hex E2 80 9C and E2 80 9D which are indeed the UTF-8
encodings for U+201C and U+201D.

[1] Using a DOS-based terminal emulator with this VGA font:
http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/ctl1252.gif
so all characters can be uniquely and easily identified.
A copy of the VGA font can be downloaded here:
http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/ctl1252.zip
The font editor and font loader used are from the freeware FPMAN220
VGA character font and color palette editor package from the Simtel
Archives at (if the 404 Fairy hasn't been busy) one of these places:
ftp://planetmirror.com/pub/simtelnet...a/fpman220.zip
ftp://ftp.bu.edu/pub/mirrors/simteln...a/fpman220.zip
ftp://ftp.telusplanet.net/pub/simtel...a/fpman220.zip
ftp://ftpl.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/simtel...a/fpman220.zip
ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/simtelnet/...a/fpman220.zip
http://simtel.easynet.net/pub/simtel...a/fpman220.zip
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[raykyoto]

Hi,

Lauri Raittila wrote:

in comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets, ra******@gmail.com wrote:

This worked...in Firefox...but I presume it isn't supported by other
browsers?

Unless I am mistaken, it shoudl not work, you need to escape " or use
curly one in right encoding. If you did escape those quotes, then it
should work on Opera 6+ as well, but not in IE. (URL would be much more
useful than code here...)

Ah! Sorry, but I'm just playing around locally on my home computer. I
haven't gotten as far as actually putting it on-line. I probably won't
go that far...feels like php is the right way to go.

Perhaps keeping my bibliography entries in
a flat file and letting php loop through it might be a better idea...

Yes, you could also change your own xml to (x)html in process.

Another reason to go the php route... Thank you all for your help! :)

Ray