Failed Exorcism: The Blind Leading The Blind
Subject: Re: Catholic Exorcisms
Date: 1997/10/12
SEVERAL EXORCISMS
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The Exorcism of Nicola Aubrey In the Year 1565 (from catholic.org)
The devil laughed at the priest, and, putting on a most comical look,
he said: "Ho! Ho! My good friend; do you intend to expel me with your
prayers and hymns? Do you think that they will cause me any pain? Don't you
know that they are mine? I helped to compose them!" "I will expel thee in
the name of God," said the preacher, solemnly. "You!" said the devil,
mockingly. "You will not expel me either in the name of God, or in the name
of the devil. Did you ever hear of one devil driving out another?" "I am not
a devil," said the preacher, angrily, "I am a servant of Christ." "A servant
of Christ, indeed!" said Satan, with a sneer. Do you suppose that you can
expel me from the body of this miserable wretch? Ha! Go first and expel all
the devils that are in your own heart!"
Satan knew that a demon was doing the exorcism, that the priest was
possessed. Just a joke, to him. This exorcism supposedly ended
successfully, but I'm no fool: We all have demons. I believe that the
possessed priest would call it successful, regardless, as they did in 3 more
instances below, and also in the case of Mary, in the MPD article on our
research page. They call it acknowledging God's power, or something. The
church is not going to admit failure, and especially not in this case, where
150,000 people were supposedly watching the case. I've seen it, the priests,
under supposed annointing from spirit, declare victory, which is total
nonsense. I've seen it a hundred times. They probably shipped her off to
come convent, or somewhere, out of sight.
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Mickey, Faith, and Shiloh's Exorcisms
Garibaldi <"23@90"@loc.com wrote in message
<62**********@news.mia.bellsouth.net...
Mickey wrote:
Greg,
I was exorcised in 1979. It did not work. Let's band together,
and
see if we can come up with some answers. From what I understand, the
catholic church has disbanded most of it's exorcism personnel, for some
strange reason, in these last days. Either exorcism does not work, or
either they dont want any responsibility.
Hang in there, and let me know if I can help (support).
There is a good reason,the Citadel of the Lord has being taken by the
Enemy,naturally he does not want to have exorcists around.
I recently became acquainted with a woman who went to the catholic
church seeking an exorcist. She was immediately recommended for psychiatric
evaluation. They told her that if she could pass that test, then they would
consider an exorcism.
I was not surprised. Here, below, is the attachment that I sent her:
Faith wrote:
Hey "mickey" -- I hope you're still reading because I'm coming in on this
one a little late ...
mickey wrote:
My local minister, after intense exorcism failed, 20 years ago,
started : snarling at me, telling me that I was living in sin, which is
why they weren't leaving.
Faith wrote:
Same story 100 times over, different day. Isn't it funny how they all
do that? They can't *DO* it, so they want *you* to pander to their need
for reassurance by *faking* like it's over. But you *can't* fake, because
the TORTURE won't stop. And because you *can't* fake, they interpret that
as being you *WON'T* fake. But instead of "fake", they call it
"acknowledge God's power" or something like that (only it isn't "God"'s
ANYTHING; it would just be *FAKING*!) So they accuse YOU of being stubborn,
obstinate, rebellious, cooperating with "the Enemy". A friend of Mine and I
came up with a term for this sudden, snarling 180-degree turnabout maneuver
some
twelve years ago. We called it "RESORTING." So they Resort. They
Resort to casting YOU out because they can't cast "Them" out.
But see, here's the deal, mikey. The reason they do this is that their
failure at exorcism sets up for THEM the very same theological paradox
your experience of possession set up for you. And they cannot handle
it. It utterly, completely terrifies them -- the haunting, endless
questions, the roller-coaster logic, the ping-pong back and forth
between "blaming God" and "blaming one's self". What is the paradox? In a
nutshell, this: by all experiential reality, the "God who cannot lie"
suddenly has; the "God who keeps his promises" suddenly doesn't; the
"God alone who can save" suddenly won't, or can't, or chooses not to -- but
what do the "whys" matter when you're in PAIN??? -- for whatever reason,
IT ISN'T HAPPENING! WHAM, theological impasse. And no way out -- for
you. But for the little man of the cloth, the way out is easy: get rid
of the *source* of all this troublesome, harrowing, horrifying
analytical questioning before it destroys his faith.
You know, I have a feeling all this happened before -- mythically
speaking, when a certain Brilliant Leader was hurled from the gates of His
home, down through the starry skies ...
Mickey wrote:Well, this was a condemnation call. I then had no
hope whatsoever, for relief, since 1979. Well, I now
feel that my experience is as a witness, for a testimony,
which is the only reason that I have made it this far.
Faith wrote:
Been there, done that. :)
The following is an attachment; a testimony that I received from a 28
year old woman, from the internet. We share similar experience, as you
will read. Attachment follows:
Shiloh wrote:
I am reading a lot about people and their experience with being
labeled d+m+n-p+ssessed. I too was labeled d+mo+n p+sss-ssed
this summer. I went through three months of intense ex+rc-sm. Each
time coming out of the "session" with such a longing to die that I would
immediately seek refuge in the comfort of my warm blood. I know this
probably sounds weird, but this is just what I did. It was either
that, or standing in the middle of a river at midnight trying to wash
(baptize) myself clean. After three months of this literal h+ll I
have arisen from the dead into the light that says that I now have
even more alters than when I started working with this religious
freak. I was convinced that S=tan was inside of me and so were a lot
of my alters. I am now worse off than I ever was as far as
unification and therapy progression goes. So, all you religious
experts on p+ssessi*n and d*m*n*ology Tell me, if dem*n p*ssessi*n is
the cause of my multiplicty than why am I even more "multiple" after
such intense exorcism? and let me tell you of the reality of this
fragmented dwelling- My multiplicity is the full fledged product of
the hypocrytic church, quite contrary to your view of my submission to
S*t*n and his angels.
Faith wrote:
This really hits home. Tell Shiloh I've been integrated for nearly two
years now and LOVING it. If you are interested, either you or Shiloh or
both can drop Me a line and we can continue this conversation "privately".
Contrary to popular opinion, the Master and I are here to heal, not to
hassle.
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One comment here:
Here, Faith would appear to have sold-out, sided with the devil
in order to stop the pain. Haven't we all been there?
The devil is a liar, he works using deceit. I've seen this in my
own life, where Satan attempted to try and make me think
that I was siding with him, summoning him, conjuring him, selling soul,
seeking
his help or assistance in some matters (his own desires with me and my
life). This
is all just another one of this tricks, nothing but a lie. Dont' fall for
it. A person who
is demon possessed cannot be held accountable, nor credible. Not capable of
thought or reaction. Who lived, at the time? A demon, not Faith. Faith was
ill,
semi-dead, impaired. None of this was ever her idea, creation, choice,
free-will; and
why/how would free-will ever come into the picture, in such situations? The
demon
that was present used a trick, to try and sell her out; he made her think
that she
was going along with it, creator of it, just another lie. Faith was nothing
more
than an impaired zombie, a puppet, semi-dead, paralyzed, incapable of
anything,
in my own opinion and experience. Quote, "Lets make her think to sell her
soul
to Santa". "Who shall see it?" It's just another mindcontrol technique, for
the
zombie impaired sub-concious puppets of trance. Man, blinded pets on a
leash.
Who shall see it? The percentage of humanity today, under such delusion, is
probably a significant number. The percentage of those totally blind, who
live
for the moment, of the flesh/world, who do not even consider themselves
members of the human race (abductors), is probably also a significant
number.
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Someone else had written:
I believe there are a number of failures in the Catholic approach to
exorcism.
Failure #1: Personalization of the exorist with the demon.
The Catholic Church seems to view the act of exorcism as some
kind of battle between the exorcist and the possessing entity.
The possessed seems to be treated like an incidental character.
Failure #2: Authoritarianism.
The Catholic Church places authority in the hands of the Bishop.
Failure #3: Ritualization.
The Rituale Romanum is fraught with ritual which limits the
ability of the exorcist to perform the exorcism.
I believe the Catholic Church ought to go back and visit the
exorcist ceremonies performed by Jesus and his apostles. They'd
find no personalization, authority only from God/Jesus, minimal
ritualization beyond:
1. Identifying the offending entity through interrogation.
2. Praying about the possession.
3. Using God's/Jesus' authority to exorcise the extity [this might
include instructing the entity on where to go and where it
cannot go.
Medical Diagnosis: Possession Trance
Physicians Diagnosis Manual:
DSM IV, section 300.14, pp 486-487, and i quote, "the diagnosis of
dissociative identity disorder takes precedence over dissociative amnesia,
dissociative fugue, and depersonalization disorder. individuals with
dissociative identity disorder can be distinguished from those with trance
and possession trance symptoms that would be diagnosed as dissociative
disorder not otherwise specified by the fact that those with trance and
posession trance symptoms typically describe external spirits or entities
that have entered their bodies and taken control."
Just for clarification, this means that generally a person with
trance/trance possession symptoms would be classified as DDNOS, but not all
DDNOS diagnosis are of trance/trance possession. Its just the "catch-all"
that "not otherwise defined" dissociative experiences are placed under.
Guidelines for Treatment of Dissociative Disorders (MPD), is
located > http://www.issd.org/isdguide.htm. Referring you to
Chapter or Section V, pasted below, but first the copyright notice:
Copyright © 1994, 1997, by the International Society for the Study of
Dissociation. These guidelines may be reproduced without the written
permission of the International Society for the Study of Dissociation
(ISSD) as long as this copyright notice is included and the address of
the ISSD is included with the copy. Violations are subject to prosecution
under federal copyright laws. Additional copies of the guidelines (US $5
for members, $10 for nonmembers) can be obtained by writing to the ISSD at
4700 W. Lake Avenue, Glenview, IL 60025-1485 USA.
Section V. The Patient's Spiritual and Philosophical Issues
Like other victims of trauma by human agency, DID patients may struggle
with questions of moral responsibility, the meaning of their pain, the
duality of good and evil, the need for justice, and basic trust in the
benevolence of the universe. When patients bring these issues into
treatment, ethical standards for the various professional disciplines
specify the need to conduct treatment without imposing one's own values on
patients. Although patients may experience certain personalities as demons
and as not-self, therapists should approach exorcism rituals with extreme
caution. Exorcism rituals have not been shown to be an effective treatment
for DID, have not been shown to be effective for "removing" alternate
personalities, and have been found to have deleterious effects in two
samples of DID patients that experienced exorcisms outside of
psychotherapy. Exorcism rituals may provide a way for some patients to
rearrange images of their personality systems in a culturally syntonic
manner. Education and coordination between therapist and clergy can be
helpful in ensuring that patients' religious and spiritual needs are
addressed.
Dissociation Website: http://www.dissociation.com
Revised Treatment Guidelines: http://www.issd.org/indexpage/isdguide.htm
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