IE 6 and favicons

[Thom Brando]

OK, I posted this question to comp.infosystems.www.browsers.ms-windows and
got not a single response, so I'm hoping someone in this group might be able
to help me.

I'm having a real problem trying to get favicons to show up in IE 6. I've
created a favicon using Visual Studio. The file is named favicon.ico and
contains 4 icons:

16 x 16, 16 colors
16 x 16, 256 colors
32 x 32, 16 colors
32 x 32, 256 colors

I've put the file in the document root of my web server. When I hit the web
server root from Firefox or Mozilla, I see the icon in the address bar.
When I hit the web server root from IE, nada!

I thought favicons were originally an IE thing. But they don't work in IE?
(I just noticed for the first time that I don't see a favicon in IE for any
web site I visit, even sites like Yahoo and Google!)

Please prove to me that this is the group I can come to with my nastiest
questions, not that silly ms-windows group!

Thom

[Mark Parnell]

Previously in comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html, Thom Brando
<br****@comcast.net> said:

I thought favicons were originally an IE thing. But they don't work in IE?
(I just noticed for the first time that I don't see a favicon in IE for any
web site I visit, even sites like Yahoo and Google!)

IE only displays the favicon after the site is bookmarked.

--
Mark Parnell
http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au

[Chris Hope]

Thom Brando wrote:

OK, I posted this question to comp.infosystems.www.browsers.ms-windows
and got not a single response, so I'm hoping someone in this group
might be able to help me.

I'm having a real problem trying to get favicons to show up in IE 6.
I've
created a favicon using Visual Studio. The file is named favicon.ico
and contains 4 icons:

16 x 16, 16 colors
16 x 16, 256 colors
32 x 32, 16 colors
32 x 32, 256 colors

I've put the file in the document root of my web server. When I hit
the web server root from Firefox or Mozilla, I see the icon in the
address bar. When I hit the web server root from IE, nada!

I thought favicons were originally an IE thing. But they don't work
in IE? (I just noticed for the first time that I don't see a favicon
in IE for any web site I visit, even sites like Yahoo and Google!)

Please prove to me that this is the group I can come to with my
nastiest questions, not that silly ms-windows group!

AFAIK they only work in IE when you actually bookmark a page.

--
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[Thom Brando]

On 5/11/05 9:04 PM, "Mark Parnell" <we*******@clarkecomputers.com.au> is
alleged to have written:

IE only displays the favicon after the site is bookmarked.
On 5/11/05 9:07 PM, "Chris Hope" <bl*******@electrictoolbox.com> is alleged
to have written:
AFAIK they only work in IE when you actually bookmark a page.

Hmmmmm... they don't seem to be working for me, even when I bookmark a page.

I've tried using two different favicon files: one containing the four
images I described in my first post --

16 x 16, 16 colors
16 x 16, 256 colors
32 x 32, 16 colors
32 x 32, 256 colors

the other containing only a 16 x 16, 16-color image. Regardless of which
icon I put in my web server's document root, I see the icon immediately upon
visiting the site with Firefox, but I don't see the icon in my IE address
bar or on the Favorites menu, even after visiting the favicon's URL (in
which case the icon displays properly in the browser window) and bookmarking
the site's document root. I have even put the following element:

<link rel="shortcut icon" href="/favicon.ico">

in the head of the site's index.html file.

Can anyone think of anything else I'm not doing -- or doing wrong? This is
driving me nuts!

Thom

[kchayka]

Thom Brando wrote:

On 5/11/05 9:04 PM, "Mark Parnell" <we*******@clarkecomputers.com.au> is
alleged to have written:

IE only displays the favicon after the site is bookmarked.

Hmmmmm... they don't seem to be working for me, even when I bookmark a page.

Post a URL.

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[Thom Brando]

On 5/15/05 7:13 AM, "kchayka" <us****@c-net.us> is alleged to have written:

Thom Brando wrote:

On 5/11/05 9:04 PM, "Mark Parnell" <we*******@clarkecomputers.com.au> is
alleged to have written:

IE only displays the favicon after the site is bookmarked.

Hmmmmm... they don't seem to be working for me, even when I bookmark a page.

Post a URL.

Unfortunately, I cannot. I'm working on a corporate intranet and don't have
access to the document root of a server outside the firewall.

Since my last posting, I have found that IE will show the favicon from
www.comcast.net (after I've bookmarked the page). I downloaded /favicon.ico
from this site, opened it with Visual Studio 2003, and found it contained a
single, 16-color, 16 x 16 image. And yet, when I generate an icon file with
a single, 16-color, 16 x 16 image in it, IE doesn't show it (even after I
bookmark my server)!

If anyone has any suggestions, I'd be happy to try them. Otherwise, I'm
ready to give up.

Thom

[Grant Smith - eNVENT Technologies]

Thom Brando wrote:

On 5/15/05 7:13 AM, "kchayka" <us****@c-net.us> is alleged to have written:

Thom Brando wrote:

On 5/11/05 9:04 PM, "Mark Parnell" <we*******@clarkecomputers.com.au> is
alleged to have written:
IE only displays the favicon after the site is bookmarked.

Hmmmmm... they don't seem to be working for me, even when I bookmark a page.

Post a URL.

Unfortunately, I cannot. I'm working on a corporate intranet and don't have
access to the document root of a server outside the firewall.

Since my last posting, I have found that IE will show the favicon from
www.comcast.net (after I've bookmarked the page). I downloaded /favicon.ico
from this site, opened it with Visual Studio 2003, and found it contained a
single, 16-color, 16 x 16 image. And yet, when I generate an icon file with
a single, 16-color, 16 x 16 image in it, IE doesn't show it (even after I
bookmark my server)!

If anyone has any suggestions, I'd be happy to try them. Otherwise, I'm
ready to give up.

Thom

Try deleting your bookmark and clearing your cache and history. Then, go
back to the site and bookmark it again. It /should/ show after that.

--
Grant Smith
A+, Net+, MCP x 2

eNVENT Technologies - www.envent-tech.com

[Thom Brando]

On 5/15/05 4:09 PM, "Grant Smith - eNVENT Technologies"
<gr*********@envent-tech.com> is alleged to have written:

Thom Brando wrote:

On 5/15/05 7:13 AM, "kchayka" <us****@c-net.us> is alleged to have written:

Thom Brando wrote:

On 5/11/05 9:04 PM, "Mark Parnell" <we*******@clarkecomputers.com.au> is
alleged to have written:
> IE only displays the favicon after the site is bookmarked.

Hmmmmm... they don't seem to be working for me, even when I bookmark a
page.

Post a URL.

Unfortunately, I cannot. I'm working on a corporate intranet and don't have
access to the document root of a server outside the firewall.

Since my last posting, I have found that IE will show the favicon from
www.comcast.net (after I've bookmarked the page). I downloaded /favicon.ico
from this site, opened it with Visual Studio 2003, and found it contained a
single, 16-color, 16 x 16 image. And yet, when I generate an icon file with
a single, 16-color, 16 x 16 image in it, IE doesn't show it (even after I
bookmark my server)!

If anyone has any suggestions, I'd be happy to try them. Otherwise, I'm
ready to give up.

Thom

Try deleting your bookmark and clearing your cache and history. Then, go
back to the site and bookmark it again. It /should/ show after that.

No go. I deleted my bookmark, cleared my cache and history, quit IE,
restarted IE, visited the site, bookmarked the site, and I still don't see
the favicon. If I visit the url of the favicon, I see it in the browser's
document area, but I never see it in the address bar or on the Favorites
menu.

[Adrienne]

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Thom Brando <br****@comcast.net>
writing in news:BEAD2CCD.102C7%br****@comcast.net:

Try deleting your bookmark and clearing your cache and history. Then,
go back to the site and bookmark it again. It /should/ show after
that.

No go. I deleted my bookmark, cleared my cache and history, quit IE,
restarted IE, visited the site, bookmarked the site, and I still don't
see the favicon. If I visit the url of the favicon, I see it in the
browser's document area, but I never see it in the address bar or on
the Favorites menu.

Are you sure it is a true icon file and not a file named .ico?

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[Thom Brando]

On 5/16/05 2:37 AM, "Adrienne" <ar********@sbcglobal.net> is alleged to have
written:

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Thom Brando <br****@comcast.net>
writing in news:BEAD2CCD.102C7%br****@comcast.net:

Try deleting your bookmark and clearing your cache and history. Then,
go back to the site and bookmark it again. It /should/ show after
that.

No go. I deleted my bookmark, cleared my cache and history, quit IE,
restarted IE, visited the site, bookmarked the site, and I still don't
see the favicon. If I visit the url of the favicon, I see it in the
browser's document area, but I never see it in the address bar or on
the Favorites menu.

Are you sure it is a true icon file and not a file named .ico?

Yes. I created it with Visual Studio 2003.

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Thom Brando wrote:

Yes. I created it with Visual Studio 2003.

Since other favicons work for you, and your own doesn't, it is only
logical to assume that the one you created is not a true icon file.

I don't think we can help any more until you post it somewhere and we
can examine it. Does your personal ISP have web space?

Try creating your icon with the free program Irfanview.
http://irfanview.com/

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[Thom Brando]

On 5/16/05 10:45 AM, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.*********@example.invalid>
is alleged to have written:

Thom Brando wrote:

Yes. I created it with Visual Studio 2003.

Since other favicons work for you, and your own doesn't, it is only
logical to assume that the one you created is not a true icon file.

I don't think we can help any more until you post it somewhere and we
can examine it. Does your personal ISP have web space?

Try creating your icon with the free program Irfanview.
http://irfanview.com/

http://home.comcast.net/~brando/favicon.ico

Thom

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Thom Brando wrote:

I don't think we can help any more until you post it somewhere
and we can examine it. Does your personal ISP have web space?

http://home.comcast.net/~brando/favicon.ico

Yours: 2,238 bytes of 32x32x24.
Mine: 894 bytes of 16x16x24

Yours is not a suitable icon. Problem solved. <g>

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[Thom Brando]

On 5/16/05 7:03 PM, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.*********@example.invalid>
is alleged to have written:

Thom Brando wrote:

I don't think we can help any more until you post it somewhere
and we can examine it. Does your personal ISP have web space?

http://home.comcast.net/~brando/favicon.ico

Yours: 2,238 bytes of 32x32x24.
Mine: 894 bytes of 16x16x24

Yours is not a suitable icon. Problem solved. <g>

OK, the 16x16 I understand. Does the "24" mean 24-bit color?

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Thom Brando wrote:

On 5/16/05 7:03 PM, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.*********@example.invalid> is alleged to have written:

Thom Brando wrote:

I don't think we can help any more until you post it
somewhere and we can examine it. Does your personal ISP have
web space?

http://home.comcast.net/~brando/favicon.ico

Yours: 2,238 bytes of 32x32x24.
Mine: 894 bytes of 16x16x24

Yours is not a suitable icon. Problem solved. <g>

OK, the 16x16 I understand. Does the "24" mean 24-bit color?

24 BPP (bits per pixel)

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[Thom Brando]

On 5/16/05 7:24 PM, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.*********@example.invalid>
is alleged to have written:

Thom Brando wrote:

On 5/16/05 7:03 PM, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.*********@example.invalid> is alleged to have written:

Thom Brando wrote:

> I don't think we can help any more until you post it
> somewhere and we can examine it. Does your personal ISP have
> web space?

http://home.comcast.net/~brando/favicon.ico

Yours: 2,238 bytes of 32x32x24.
Mine: 894 bytes of 16x16x24

Yours is not a suitable icon. Problem solved. <g>

OK, the 16x16 I understand. Does the "24" mean 24-bit color?

24 BPP (bits per pixel)

Visual Studio is only giving me a choice of monochrome, 16, or 256 colors.
Could be because I'm connecting to the PC using Remote Desktop Connection
(although I do have my display option set to "millions"). I'll check to see
if I can create a 24-bit icon tomorrow at work.

Is the 24-bit color a requirement for favicons? I've tried 16-color icons
and 256-color icons with no success. If 24-bit color is required, that
would explain my problem.

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Thom Brando wrote:

Visual Studio is only giving me a choice

Have you tried Irfanview, as I suggested?

Load up your 32x32 .ico, resize it to 16x16 and resave it.

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[Y J Landro]

You may find this page suitable for making an icon:

<url:http://dynamicdrive.com/favicon/>

It works for me.

:-) Y J Landro
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[Grant Smith - eNVENT Technologies]

Thom Brando wrote:

On 5/16/05 10:45 AM, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.*********@example.invalid>
is alleged to have written:

Thom Brando wrote:

Yes. I created it with Visual Studio 2003.

Since other favicons work for you, and your own doesn't, it is only
logical to assume that the one you created is not a true icon file.

I don't think we can help any more until you post it somewhere and we
can examine it. Does your personal ISP have web space?

Try creating your icon with the free program Irfanview.
http://irfanview.com/

http://home.comcast.net/~brando/favicon.ico

Thom

What I see for a favicon at this sight is Comcast's icon, which you
probably won't be able to do anything about without creating your own
domain name.

--
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A+, Net+, MCP x 2

eNVENT Technologies - www.envent-tech.com

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Grant Smith - eNVENT Technologies wrote:

Thom Brando wrote:

http://home.comcast.net/~brando/favicon.ico
What I see for a favicon at this sight is Comcast's icon,

That's because Thom doesn't have any web pages there, and you get the
default "we haven't moved in yet" page from Comcast.
which you probably won't be able to do anything about without
creating your own domain name.

Nah. He doesn't need a domain name to post a complete web site there.
I play around with stuff at my Roadrunner web spaces, with a similar
address to the brando link above.

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[Philip Herlihy]

Try iconart from www.conware.org

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"Thom Brando" <br****@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BEACE9F3.102AA%br****@comcast.net...

If anyone has any suggestions, I'd be happy to try them. Otherwise, I'm
ready to give up.

[Grant Smith - eNVENT Technologies]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Grant Smith - eNVENT Technologies wrote:

Thom Brando wrote:

http://home.comcast.net/~brando/favicon.ico

What I see for a favicon at this sight is Comcast's icon,

That's because Thom doesn't have any web pages there, and you get the
default "we haven't moved in yet" page from Comcast.

which you probably won't be able to do anything about without
creating your own domain name.

Nah. He doesn't need a domain name to post a complete web site there. I
play around with stuff at my Roadrunner web spaces, with a similar
address to the brando link above.

Thanks for the clarification... I figured that the page was looking at
'www.comcast.net' for a favicon.

--
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A+, Net+, MCP x 2

eNVENT Technologies - www.envent-tech.com

[John M. Gamble]

In article <H5*******************@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
Beauregard T. Shagnasty <a.*********@example.invalid> wrote:

Thom Brando wrote:

Visual Studio is only giving me a choice

Have you tried Irfanview, as I suggested?

Load up your 32x32 .ico, resize it to 16x16 and resave it.

On this subject, i've used png2ico. In it's documentation,
it says:

To create a favicon.ico simply create a 16x16 .PNG file
and convert it to an icon resource with png2ico. You may
of course add other alternative resolutions but most
browsers only use a 16x16 image. Keep in mind that for a
user with a slow modem a favicon.ico may increase the page
loading time by a few seconds if it is too large, so don't
overdo it. Adding a 32x32 alternative should be enough to
make sure the image will look good even in contexts with
larger icons. Adding even more and larger alternatives is
unnecessary bloat.

Has anyone ever encountered a browser that made use of a 32x32
alternative?

--
-john

February 28 1997: Last day libraries could order catalogue cards
from the Library of Congress.

[Blinky the Shark]

John M. Gamble wrote:

In article <H5*******************@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, Beauregard T.
Shagnasty <a.*********@example.invalid> wrote:

Thom Brando wrote:

Visual Studio is only giving me a choice

Have you tried Irfanview, as I suggested? Load up your 32x32 .ico, resize it to 16x16 and resave it.

On this subject, i've used png2ico. In it's documentation, it says: To create a favicon.ico simply create a 16x16 .PNG file and
convert it to an icon resource with png2ico. You may of
course add other alternative resolutions but most browsers
only use a 16x16 image. Keep in mind that for a user with a
slow modem a favicon.ico may increase the page loading time by
a few seconds if it is too large, so don't overdo it. Adding a
32x32 alternative should be enough to make sure the image will
look good even in contexts with larger icons. Adding even
more and larger alternatives is unnecessary bloat. Has anyone ever encountered a browser that made use of a 32x32
alternative?

I don't know about as an "alternative", but FWIW with respect to big
favicons in general, check out this shot of Opera's address bar when
at bloomberg.com.

http://blinkynet.net/stuff/comp/bloomopera.gif

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[Spartanicus]

Blinky the Shark <no*****@box.invalid> wrote:

I don't know about as an "alternative", but FWIW with respect to big
favicons in general, check out this shot of Opera's address bar when
at bloomberg.com.

http://blinkynet.net/stuff/comp/bloomopera.gif

That's a pretty old bug, you're overdue for an update.

--
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[Tim]

Thom Brando wrote:

http://home.comcast.net/~brando/favicon.ico

Grant Smith - eNVENT Technologies wrote:
What I see for a favicon at this sight is Comcast's icon,
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.*********@example.invalid> posted:

That's because Thom doesn't have any web pages there, and you get the
default "we haven't moved in yet" page from Comcast. which you probably won't be able to do anything about without
creating your own domain name.

Nah. He doesn't need a domain name to post a complete web site there.
I play around with stuff at my Roadrunner web spaces, with a similar
address to the brando link above.

Yes, and no... By default, browsers look for "/favicon.ico" (that's in the
root of the domain name), although each webpage can specifically mention
some other file to use (but this does mean more work, and has its limits).

So, by default, if you were to visit the following URIs:

http://www.example.com/johnjoe/
http://www.example.com/users/johnjoe/
http://www.example.com/~johnjoe/
http://www.example.com/car-repairs/

They'd all try getting this favicon, for any address:

http://www.example.com/favicon.ico

Which isn't something that users can control on someone else's domain name.

About the only time users can set favourite icons, without writing specific
links to them in each page, when they don't have their own domain name, is
when they have a sub-domain to themselves off their ISP.

e.g. their-username.example.com

In which case they do have access to the root directory for that domain.

I'll also point out that you can only specify a favicon within HTML types
of resources. If you directly load plain text files or pictures in a
website, they'll get the default favourite icon for the domain.

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[Blinky the Shark]

Spartanicus wrote:

Blinky the Shark <no*****@box.invalid> wrote:

I don't know about as an "alternative", but FWIW with respect to big
favicons in general, check out this shot of Opera's address bar when
at bloomberg.com. http://blinkynet.net/stuff/comp/bloomopera.gif

That's a pretty old bug, you're overdue for an update.

It's no longer my primary browser.

It's a bug, to render an image faithfully? I realize nobody wants
100-px-wide favicons to be displayed that way, but I'm surprised that
it's considered an Opera bug.

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[Spartanicus]

Blinky the Shark <no*****@box.invalid> wrote:

http://blinkynet.net/stuff/comp/bloomopera.gif

That's a pretty old bug, you're overdue for an update.

It's a bug, to render an image faithfully? I realize nobody wants
100-px-wide favicons to be displayed that way, but I'm surprised that
it's considered an Opera bug.

Primarily a security issue, it can be used to spoof the address
displayed in the address bar.

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[Blinky the Shark]

Spartanicus wrote:

Blinky the Shark <no*****@box.invalid> wrote:

http://blinkynet.net/stuff/comp/bloomopera.gif That's a pretty old bug, you're overdue for an update.

It's a bug, to render an image faithfully? I realize nobody wants
100-px-wide favicons to be displayed that way, but I'm surprised that
it's considered an Opera bug.

Primarily a security issue, it can be used to spoof the address
displayed in the address bar.

Ah! I didn't think of that.

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[ldeclich]

KNOWN BROWSER ISSUES:[/b]

_MICROSOFT_IE_6_ FOR WINDOWS WILL NOT DISPLAY THE FAVICON UNTIL THE UR
HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE FAVORITES. TRY IT: ADD YOUR URL TO YOUR FAVORITE
AND THEN RELOAD THE URL INTO YOUR BROWSER PAGE. YOU SHOULD NOTICE TH
FAVICON APPEAR NOW.IBM.COM AND ADOBE.COM ARE GOOD EXAMPLES TO TES
THIS.

_SAFARI_FOR_THE_MAC_ WILL NOT DISPLAY AN UPDATED FAVICON UNTIL TH
BROWSER CACHE HAS BEEN CLEARED. BUT CHOOSING ‘EMPTY CACHE’ FROM TH
MENU WON'T HELP BECAUSE SAFARI STORES FAVICONS IN A SEPARATE CACHE. YO
MUST EMPTY THE ICON CACHE YOURSELF. LOOK FOR IT I
USER>LIBRARY>SAFARI>ICONS.

*MORE TIPS:* SOME BROWSERS WILL LOOK FOR A DIRECT LINK IN THE HTM
SOURCE CODE TO YOUR SITE'S FAVICON.ICO FILE. YOU CAN HELP THES
BROWSERS BY ADDING THIS LINK IN THE HEAD SECTION OF EACH PAGE ON WHIC
YOU WANT THE FAVICON.ICO TO APPEAR. HERE IS THE LINK CODE TO INCLUDE
<LINK REL=\"SHORTCUT ICON\" HREF=\"/FAVICON.ICO\"> ONCE YOU'VE ADDE
THIS CODE, UPLOAD ALL OF YOUR MODIFIED PAGES.

[b]TESTIN
If your new Favicon does not show up right away, try refreshing th
page — or put a '?' at the end of the url, which will trick a browse
into thinking the page is new and not cache

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ldeclich wrote:

KNOWN BROWSER ISSUES:[/b]

_MICROSOFT_IE_6_ FOR WINDOWS WILL NOT DISPLAY THE FAVICON UNTIL THE URL
HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE FAVORITES. TRY IT: ADD YOUR URL TO YOUR FAVORITES
AND THEN RELOAD THE URL INTO YOUR BROWSER PAGE. YOU SHOULD NOTICE THE
FAVICON APPEAR NOW.IBM.COM AND ADOBE.COM ARE GOOD EXAMPLES TO TEST
THIS.
I think it was implemented this way in order to lower the bandwidth. The
real issue is the disappearance of icons from Favourites as cache is
periodically emptied.
_SAFARI_FOR_THE_MAC_ WILL NOT DISPLAY AN UPDATED FAVICON UNTIL THE
BROWSER CACHE HAS BEEN CLEARED. BUT CHOOSING ‘EMPTY CACHE’ FROM THE
MENU WON'T HELP BECAUSE SAFARI STORES FAVICONS IN A SEPARATE CACHE. YOU
MUST EMPTY THE ICON CACHE YOURSELF. LOOK FOR IT IN
USER>LIBRARY>SAFARI>ICONS.
Perhaps this is how Safari prevents icons from disappearing (see above) when
the cache is emptied.
*MORE TIPS:* SOME BROWSERS WILL LOOK FOR A DIRECT LINK IN THE HTML
SOURCE CODE TO YOUR SITE'S FAVICON.ICO FILE. YOU CAN HELP THESE
BROWSERS BY ADDING THIS LINK IN THE HEAD SECTION OF EACH PAGE ON WHICH
YOU WANT THE FAVICON.ICO TO APPEAR. HERE IS THE LINK CODE TO INCLUDE:
<LINK REL=\"SHORTCUT ICON\" HREF=\"/FAVICON.ICO\"> ONCE YOU'VE ADDED
THIS CODE, UPLOAD ALL OF YOUR MODIFIED PAGES.
A look at the error log soon reveals that it's necessary, or else log chaos
continues.
[b]TESTING
If your new Favicon does not show up right away, try refreshing the
page — or put a '?' at the end of the url, which will trick a browser
into thinking the page is new and not cached

That's a nice trick, but why shout?

Roy

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