Small Presentation Problem

Leslie A Rhorer

Hello all,

I am quite new to HTML, and I have created a number of pages related to
a project on which I am working. Several of the pages look just the way I
want with the default font settings in IE and Mozilla in Windows XP, but
they jumble up a bit if a larger font is used, as many of the readers of
this application do, or if I selct a useable font on my Linux system. In
other words, I need the bottom table (OObj2) to move up and down as the font
size decreases or increases. I've tried everything of which I can think.
Does anyone have any suggestions how to make the following code more
portable without completely changing the aspect? I know I can make it all a
single <div> and stop it, but then I have to either make the upper table
much wider, split the bottom line into three, or use multiple <td> lines
within each table row. In the last case, the lines look wrong. I can also
use colspan to get the alignment right, but the lines still don't look
right.

<HTML>
<HEAD>
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<META NAME="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 5.0">
<META NAME="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
<TITLE>TyTool Help Advanced Topics</TITLE>
</HEAD>

<BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF" TEXT="#000000" link="#0000FF" vlink="#0000FF">

<div id="OObj1" style="position:absolute;z-index:4;visibility:visible;
left:340px;top:40px;width:250px;height:0px;">
<table border=0 cellspacing=1 cellpadding=2 width=250 bgcolor="#003366">
<tr><td width=250 bgcolor="#ff9900">
<p align="center"><font face="helvetica,arial" size=2><b>TyTool
Advanced Topics</b></font></p></td></tr>
<tr><td width=250 bgcolor="#00ff00"><p align="center"><font
face="helvetica,arial" size=2><A HREF="Advanced_Config.html"
TITLE="Discussions of Advanced Configurations"

Configuration</A></font></p></td></tr>

<tr><td width=250 bgcolor="#00ff00"><p align="center"><font
face="helvetica,arial" size=2><A HREF="Advanced_External.html"
TITLE="Running tserver Externally to TyTool">External
Options</A></font></p></td></tr>
<tr><td width=250 bgcolor="#00ff00"><p align="center"><font
face="helvetica,arial" size=2><A HREF="Advanced_FAE.html" TITLE="Definition:
GOP Accurate Editing Versus Frame Accurate Editing">GAE or
FAE?</A></font></p></td></tr>
<tr><td width=250 bgcolor="#00ff00"><p align="center"><font
face="helvetica,arial" size=2><A HREF="Advanced_FileTypes.html" TITLE="Files
used by TyTool">File Types</A></font></p></td></tr>
<tr><td width=250 bgcolor="#00ff00"><p align="center"><font
face="helvetica,arial" size=2><A HREF="Advanced_Video.html"
TITLE="Discussions of Video Considerations">Video
Processing</A></font></p></td></tr>
<tr><td width=250 bgcolor="#00ff00"><p align="center"><font
face="helvetica,arial" size=2><A HREF="Advanced_Audio.html"
TITLE="Discussions of Audio Considerations">Handling
Audio</A></font></p></td></tr>
<tr><td width=250 bgcolor="#00ff00"><p align="center"><font
face="helvetica,arial" size=2><A HREF="Advanced_IFO_Shell.html" TITLE="Using
the Create IFO Shell">IFO Shell</A></font></p></td></tr>
<tr><td width=250 bgcolor="#00ff00"><p align="center"><font
face="helvetica,arial" size=2><A HREF="Advanced_ULEAD_Tools.html"
TITLE="Issues with ULEAD Tools">ULEAD Tools</A></font></p></td></tr>
</table></div>

<div id="OObj2" style="position:absolute;z-index:4;visibility:visible;
left:292;top:240;width:356;height:40">
<table border=0 cellspacing=1 cellpadding=2 width=349 bgcolor="#003366">
<tr><td width=349 bgcolor="#dd99dd"><font face="helvetica,arial" size=2><A
HREF="TyTool_Help_Main.html">Table of Contents</A> 
<A HREF="Advanced.html">Advanced Topics</A>  <A
HREF="http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/">Deal Database
Forum</A></font></td></tr>
</table></div>

<div id="OObj3" style="position:absolute;z-index:4;visibility:visible;
left:410;top:2;width:88;height:31">
<a href="http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=referer"><img border="0" src =
"http://www.w3.org/Icons/valid-html40" alt="Valid HTML 4.0!" height="31"
width="88"></a>
</div>

</body>
</html>

Jul 24 '05 #1

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johnSteve

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 03:28:53 GMT, "Leslie A Rhorer"
<lr*****@satx.rr.com> wrote:

Hello all,

I am quite new to HTML, and I have created a number of pages related to
a project on which I am working. Several of the pages look just the way I
want with the default font settings in IE and Mozilla in Windows XP, but
they jumble up a bit if a larger font is used, as many of the readers of
this application do, or if I selct a useable font on my Linux system. In
other words, I need the bottom table (OObj2) to move up and down as the font
size decreases or increases.

I am willing to bet you are going to need much more than that,
and this is not a HTML topic,
and this is way too much rubbish (inline styles height:0px) to fight
through,
but 1 thing does stand out in regard to your succinct question:

00bj2 is a div absolutely positioned, and worse for you, absolutely
positioned with pixels.
There is no way it can move up or down, it will always be 292 pixels
from the left and 240 from the top.

Absolutely.

There are other forms of positioning and other types of units which in
combination provide for the flexibility you seek.

take a look here to start
http://www.westciv.com/style_master/...ing/index.html

if you used the validator at the top right of the page in question,
and it validated, you should know this is not an html question. It is
a design or style question.

cheers
johnSteve

Jul 24 '05 #2

Leslie A Rhorer

"johnSteve" <st****@bresnan.net> wrote in message
news:06********************************@4ax.com...

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 03:28:53 GMT, "Leslie A Rhorer"
<lr*****@satx.rr.com> wrote: I am willing to bet you are going to need much more than that,
and this is not a HTML topic,
Perhaps it seems I have posted in the wrong forum. If so, where should
I post?
00bj2 is a div absolutely positioned, and worse for you, absolutely
positioned with pixels.
There is no way it can move up or down, it will always be 292 pixels
from the left and 240 from the top.
Yes, I know. That is the essence of my question. How can the element
be positioned so that it doesn't obscure the other element when the other
element's size changes because the viewer changes the font size? I have no
problem resorting to a different element type (i.e. making it other than a
<div>, making it and the other elements children of a single parent, etc.).
Indeed, I have tried a number of these things, but nothing I have tried has
produced the results I want.

Assuming this is off-topic, then of course I will move this question to
another conference, but what conference would be best suited to handle it?
There are other forms of positioning and other types of units which in
combination provide for the flexibility you seek.

take a look here to start
http://www.westciv.com/style_master/...ing/index.html
OK, I did, but I don't see anything which by my understanding would do
what I want. If I make both tables a child of a single parent, either the
positioning doesn't work, or the lines are all wrong. I want to avoid using
style sheets because:

1. This project is on a rather short timeline, and learning how to use
style sheets takes time.
2. I really don't want to delve deeper into web authoring. I'm not
going to be using the knowledge any further. I've committed to doing this
one project, and then I may never do any authoring again, or at least not
for a very long time.
3. This project is a documentation set for a program which will be
undergoing regular release cycles. This will require the code to be
regularly updated. I will not be the one handling the updates, and the
persons who will be hnadling it willl very likely not be web authoring
experts. They need to be able to look at the code and easily change it.
Style sheets make it much more difficult for the manager to update the docs.
4. It bloats the documentation set. There are over 200 pages associated
with this set, and a large number of them suffer from this issue. Adding
style sheets for several dozen of the pages (each one quite different,
requiring a different stype sheet) would increase the size significantly.

What I am saying is I am looking for an HTML based solution to this
issue, not one involving CSS. Is the question still off-topic?

I am also saying I'm not really looking for generalized solutions to
similar problems, but rather a specific fix for this specific issue.
if you used the validator at the top right of the page in question,
and it validated, you should know this is not an html question. It is
a design or style question.

Meaning this conference is only targeted to fixing bad .html code, not
trying to learn variations in .html code? The newsgroup description says
only "Writing HTML for the web". I've searched the newsgroups available
through my news server, and I don't spot anything which jumps out at being a
style or design oriented web publishing group.

Jul 24 '05 #3

johnSteve

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 23:36:19 GMT, "Leslie A Rhorer"
<lr*****@satx.rr.com> wrote:

snipped, but you are in a pickel What I am saying is I am looking for an HTML based solution to this
issue, not one involving CSS. Is the question still off-topic? There is no html solution to this problem.
It would be valid transitional html if there was a doctype. There is
nothing wrong with the html. The problem occurs in the awful things
that happen to the html. That is another topic.
I am also saying I'm not really looking for generalized solutions to
similar problems, but rather a specific fix for this specific issue.
of course you are, but the specific fix requires more than you want to
give...

So stop.
snipped
I've searched the newsgroups available
through my news server, and I don't spot anything which jumps out at being a
style or design oriented web publishing group.

substitute site-design and stylesheets for html as in:

comp.infosystems.www.authoring.site-design
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets
good luck
and
cheers

johnSteve

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