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I'm having majour issues with FrontPage 2K and a webpage that I am
having to create from scratch based on someone else's prior work. I
hope someone can look at the source code for the page in question and
tell me where my code is going wrong that I am getting things to load
incorrectly.

The situation is this: The owner wants "picture pages" that can be
printed out exactly as fliers and pages that were created for print
years ago. Well now I am having to add a new page at
http://www.mmgiftshows.com/html/exhibit.htm for a listing of
exhibitors. The trouble is that the Print Friendly page at
http://www.mmgiftshows.com/html/exhibits.html is supposed to be
introduced above all the that starts with "click here for a print ready
version" but it won't load there! Yet it looks fine and loads correct
in FP2K.

I am so frustrated and cannot get it solved on my own. I really need
some help! The owner is supposed to be looking at this tomorrow AM
from the road and I need it fixed quickly. Thanks to anyone that can
help me!

Jul 23 '05 #1
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In article <11**********************@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups .com>,
se**************@yahoo.ca enlightened us with...
I'm having majour issues with FrontPage 2K
Go figure. ;)
Well now I am having to add a new page at
http://www.mmgiftshows.com/html/exhibit.htm
No doctype. That makes browsers go into quirks mode.
Invalid HTML, too. URL: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...%2Fexhibit.htm for a listing of
exhibitors. The trouble is that the Print Friendly page at
http://www.mmgiftshows.com/html/exhibits.html is supposed to be
introduced above all the that starts with "click here for a print ready
version" but it won't load there!


That's because it's invalid HTML.
You have the a bunch of stuff OUTSIDE the table row/cell. You can't do that.
FP is compensating for you, but it's invalid. The browser shows you that.

This is the problem:
(see the </tr>? Then text? Can't do that. Close the table tag or add another
<tr><td> set)
---------------------------------------------------------
</td></tr>

<!--webbot bot="Include" i-checksum="59358" endspan -->
<p align="center">

<a class="bodylink" href="exhibits.html">click here for a print ready
version</a>
<!--webbot bot="Include" U-Include="footer.htm" TAG="BODY" startspan -->

<p align="center"><font face="Arial" size="2">
<a class="bodylink" href="index.htm">home</a> |&nbsp;<a class="bodylink"
href="travel.htm">travel
info</a> | <a class="bodylink" href="pigeon.htm">Pigeon Forge Sites</a> |
<a class="bodylink" href="exhibit.htm">Exhibitors</a> |

<a class="bodylink" href="contact.htm">contact</a> |
<a class="bodylink" href="buyer.htm">buyers</a> |
<a class="bodylink" href="legal.htm">legal</a></font></p>

<p align="center"><font face="Arial" color="#c0c0c0" size="1">This site best
viewed with Internet Explorer 6.x and up. <br>
<br>
Problems With Our Site?

<script type="text/javascript">
<!--document.write("<a href='mailto:info@mm
giftshows.co&#
109;'> Contact us!</a>")
// -->
</script>
</font>
<a href="mailto:info@mmgif&#
116;shows.com" style="text-
decoration: none">
<font face="Arial" size="1" color="#000080">e</font></a><font face="Arial"
color="#c0c0c0" size="1"><a href="mailto:in**@mmgiftshows.com" style="text-
decoration: none"><font color="#000080">Mail</font><font color="#000080">
our Webmaster</font></a></font></p>

<!--webbot bot="Include" i-checksum="6678" endspan -->

</td>

---------------------------------------------------------

This is all inside a table cell. So depending on what you were trying to do,
either end the table tag after the </tr> or add <tr><td>.
My guess is you need </table> after </tr>.

Now stop using Frontpage. *grins*

--
--
~kaeli~
Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace

Jul 23 '05 #2

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me
"Sens Fan Happy In OH" <se**************@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:11**********************@l41g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
I'm having majour issues with FrontPage 2K and a webpage that I am
having to create from scratch based on someone else's prior work. I
hope someone can look at the source code for the page in question and
tell me where my code is going wrong that I am getting things to load
incorrectly.

The situation is this: The owner wants "picture pages" that can be
printed out exactly as fliers and pages that were created for print
years ago. Well now I am having to add a new page at
http://www.mmgiftshows.com/html/exhibit.htm for a listing of
exhibitors. The trouble is that the Print Friendly page at
http://www.mmgiftshows.com/html/exhibits.html is supposed to be
introduced above all the that starts with "click here for a print ready
version" but it won't load there! Yet it looks fine and loads correct
in FP2K.

I am so frustrated and cannot get it solved on my own. I really need
some help! The owner is supposed to be looking at this tomorrow AM
from the road and I need it fixed quickly. Thanks to anyone that can
help me!


I'm not sure I understand your problem, do you mean that you can't move the
link to the bottom of the page? The first time I visited I saw the link to a
print friendly page but now it's gone. It's going to be difficult for me to
see what's wrong if you're changing the page.
Signed,
me
Jul 23 '05 #3

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> the Print Friendly page at
http://www.mmgiftshows.com/html/exhibits.html is supposed to be
introduced above all the that starts with "click here for a print ready version" but it won't load there!
I don't follow what you want. I think you missed out some words when
you wrote that. Take a screenshot of Front Page and put it on your web
site so we know what you are looking for.

PDF is a good bet for things to print out if the exact style is
important, e.g. for a flyer.

Oh, just spotted this:
This site best viewed with Internet Explorer 6.x and up.


Sorry, I was looking at it with another browser. No doubt there is all
sorts of IE magic going on that I'm not seeing.

--Phil.

Jul 23 '05 #4

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It was somewhere outside Barstow when "Sens Fan Happy In OH"
<se**************@yahoo.ca> wrote:
that I am
having to create from scratch based on someone else's prior work. I
I can just about get my head around that
I'm having majour issues with FrontPage 2K and a webpage
No, sorry. Now you've lost me. You're using FP and you expect to get
a working web page out of it ?

FP is rubbish. Throw it away.
hope someone can look at the source code for the page in question and
tell me where my code is going wrong that I am getting things to load
incorrectly.
No, because it's still not clear what your problem is. It's a very
simple page, although rather badly coded.

In particular, learn about the use of the <tr> element to structure
rows within a table. Here's a hint - the only time you should have
dozens of <br>s like this is when you're laying out poetry,
Page Is Making No Sense!
The page is making perfect sense - it's doing just what you coded it
to do. Please give us sensible subject lines and statement of the
problem - we're only human, not psychic.

This site best viewed with Internet Explorer 6.x and up.
Throw this away.
click here for a print ready version
Throw this away too. It's not necessary, it's a pain for you to
maintain two versions, and no-one follows the instructions anyway.

Investigate CSS and the use of @media print
This is _really_ how to make "printable" pages work properly. Try
something like this:
<style type="text/css" >

/* Lots of general webpage CSS stuff goes here */
/*
Print control
*/

..print-only{
display: none;
visibility: hidden;
}
@media print {

/* Common sections that we don't want on the printed page */
..nav-menu {
display: none ! important;
visibility: hidden;
}

..page-banner {
display: none ! important;
visibility: hidden;
}
body {
background-color: #ffffff ! important;
background-image: none ! important;
color : black ! important;
}

/* No space needed for the menu, so shove the content sideways */
..body-text {
margin-left: 0;
}
/* Mark up any small specifically labelled sections for non-printing
*/
..no-print {
display: none ! important;
visibility: hidden;
}

div.print-only {
display: block;
display: block ! important;
visibility: visible;
}

span.print-only {
display: inline ! important;
visibility: visible;
}
div.print {
display: block ! important;
visibility: visible;
}

span.print {
display: inline ! important;
visibility: visible;
}
} /* end of print media section */

</style>

The situation is this: The owner wants "picture pages" that can be
printed out exactly as fliers and pages that were created for print
years ago.


Well this is always a problem. The web doesn't work that way and
_shouldn't_ work that way. Now printed paper works a bit more that
way, but even then you get issues like paper size to worry about,
Don't sweat this stuff - much of it isn't important - worry about the
bits that are.

Jul 23 '05 #5

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me
"Sens Fan Happy In OH" <se**************@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:11**********************@l41g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
I'm having majour issues with FrontPage 2K and a webpage that I am
having to create from scratch based on someone else's prior work. I
hope someone can look at the source code for the page in question and
tell me where my code is going wrong that I am getting things to load
incorrectly.

The situation is this: The owner wants "picture pages" that can be
printed out exactly as fliers and pages that were created for print
years ago. Well now I am having to add a new page at
http://www.mmgiftshows.com/html/exhibit.htm for a listing of
exhibitors. The trouble is that the Print Friendly page at
http://www.mmgiftshows.com/html/exhibits.html is supposed to be
introduced above all the that starts with "click here for a print ready
version" but it won't load there! Yet it looks fine and loads correct
in FP2K.

I am so frustrated and cannot get it solved on my own. I really need
some help! The owner is supposed to be looking at this tomorrow AM
from the road and I need it fixed quickly. Thanks to anyone that can
help me!


You are missing a closing table tag </table>. Enter this tag and your page
will be fixed. Here is where it is missing:

<a href="http://www.wishpets.com">
www.wishpets.com</a>
</td></tr>
</table>

If FP has a code view you can use it to enter the tag as shown above or open
IE, right click in an empty area of the document and chose "View Source".
The code of the page should then open in Notepad. Now enter the tag and then
save the document. There are other errors in this page but this is the cause
of your problem.

As an alternate method you could open one of the other pages from this site
in FP select all of the main content in the table and then press delete. Now
save the page with a new name. Now open the exhibits page, select the
contents of the table containing the main content, then select "Copy". Now
return to the new page you just made and paste in the text you just copied.
Now return to the exhibits page and select the link to the printer friendly
page, copy it, return to the new page you just made and paste in the link to
the printer friendly page. Once you're satisfied the page works you can
delete the original exhibits page and then rename the new page to be the
exhibits page. Don't forget to change the title tag too.
Good Luck,
me
Jul 23 '05 #6

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Thanks Me ... you were a BIG help! I was checking the code on the
first page "exhibit.htm" and not even looking at the printable page for
the answer. And Kaeli, even though Google is not showing your reply I
saw it when I was at home last night. THank you as well for your
response and assistance.

To the other responses .... yes, I would LOVE to get rid of this stupid
FrontPage program. But when you work for a company as a graphic
designer and they ask you, "Do you design websites?" and reply that you
have done a few here and there ... they assume you know EVERYTHING and
can make it work. What I learned about HTML I learned by looking at
source codes and then copying what was done someplace else and making
it work on my personal website. But when a company says "We use FP2K"
then that's all you get and that's what you use. I have no control
over the programs I get nor the design of the site. So all the "dump
FP" does me no good, nor does the "your site is full of 'problem-x '"
stuff. You all are professionals. I am just a graphic designer with
very limited website skills working for a company that refuses to pay
any professional for adding pages or making changes. And the owner is
a person that believes a website should print how it's viewed on the
screen as well as be designed how his previous graphic designer made
the pages for printed materials. So again ... this is out of my
control.

But in closing, the situation is resolved and my thanks go out to Kaeli
and Me for their great assistance! Kudos to you both :-)

Jul 23 '05 #7

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me
"Sens Fan Happy In OH" <se**************@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:11*********************@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
Thanks Me ... you were a BIG help! I was checking the code on the
first page "exhibit.htm" and not even looking at the printable page for
the answer. And Kaeli, even though Google is not showing your reply I
saw it when I was at home last night. THank you as well for your
response and assistance.

To the other responses .... yes, I would LOVE to get rid of this stupid
FrontPage program. But when you work for a company as a graphic
designer and they ask you, "Do you design websites?" and reply that you
have done a few here and there ... they assume you know EVERYTHING and
can make it work. What I learned about HTML I learned by looking at
source codes and then copying what was done someplace else and making
it work on my personal website. But when a company says "We use FP2K"
then that's all you get and that's what you use. I have no control
over the programs I get nor the design of the site. So all the "dump
FP" does me no good, nor does the "your site is full of 'problem-x '"
stuff. You all are professionals. I am just a graphic designer with
very limited website skills working for a company that refuses to pay
any professional for adding pages or making changes. And the owner is
a person that believes a website should print how it's viewed on the
screen as well as be designed how his previous graphic designer made
the pages for printed materials. So again ... this is out of my
control.

But in closing, the situation is resolved and my thanks go out to Kaeli
and Me for their great assistance! Kudos to you both :-)


You are most welcome. Congratulations on fixing your page too. I hear what
you say about your employer. The customer is always right and in this case
your employer *is* the customer. Let me know if you have anymore questions
and I'll be happy to help if I can.
Signed,
me
Jul 23 '05 #8

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