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Is horizontal scrolling okay?

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My web site is not particularly theme-based, but it contains an Art Gallery
I'd like to display in a different perspective. I would like to horizontally
scroll it, rather than vertically - as if the viewer is virtually "walking"
through the gallery. I'm just attempting this to have this part of the page
be different.

Is horizontal scrolling okay, or will it throw our browsers into chaos and
viewers into insanity? If horizontal scrolling is acceptable, how would I
code it to render properly, as opposed to vertical scrolling?

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Jul 23 '05 #1
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Dave wrote:
My web site is not particularly theme-based, but it contains an Art Gallery
I'd like to display in a different perspective. I would like to horizontally
scroll it, rather than vertically - as if the viewer is virtually "walking"
through the gallery. I'm just attempting this to have this part of the page
be different.

Is horizontal scrolling okay, or will it throw our browsers into chaos and
viewers into insanity? If horizontal scrolling is acceptable, how would I
code it to render properly, as opposed to vertical scrolling?


People prefer vertical scrolling to horizontal.
Jul 23 '05 #2

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"Dave" <gr**********@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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My web site is not particularly theme-based, but it contains an Art Gallery I'd like to display in a different perspective. I would like to horizontally scroll it, rather than vertically - as if the viewer is virtually "walking" through the gallery. I'm just attempting this to have this part of the page be different.

Is horizontal scrolling okay, or will it throw our browsers into chaos and
viewers into insanity? If horizontal scrolling is acceptable, how would I
code it to render properly, as opposed to vertical scrolling?


See my comments in my thread from yesterday, "Wide, Wide Web" for some
perspective. If you do go ahead with this plan, I would recommend providing
an explicit indication that the scroll is horizontal--maybe a bright arrow
with a label "Scroll this way" or something like that. But, seriously,
consider whether the horizontal approach is really an improvement.

Jul 23 '05 #3

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Once upon a time *Dave* wrote:
My web site is not particularly theme-based, but it contains an Art Gallery
I'd like to display in a different perspective. I would like to horizontally
scroll it, rather than vertically - as if the viewer is virtually "walking"
through the gallery. I'm just attempting this to have this part of the page
be different.

Is horizontal scrolling okay, or will it throw our browsers into chaos and
viewers into insanity? If horizontal scrolling is acceptable, how would I
code it to render properly, as opposed to vertical scrolling?


Q: Is horizontal scrolling okay?
A: NO, NO, *NO!*

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Jul 23 '05 #4

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Dave wrote:
My web site is not particularly theme-based, but it contains an Art Gallery
I'd like to display in a different perspective. I would like to horizontally
scroll it, rather than vertically - as if the viewer is virtually "walking"
through the gallery. I'm just attempting this to have this part of the page
be different.

Is horizontal scrolling okay, or will it throw our browsers into chaos and
viewers into insanity? If horizontal scrolling is acceptable, how would I
code it to render properly, as opposed to vertical scrolling?


I would not recommend what you are proposing. To display as intended (I
assume no vertical scrolling desired) would require creating the page to
a fixed height browser window; otherwise, you'd scroll both vertically
and horizontally. Viewers already know how to scroll up and down with
ease; and that when you have to scroll horizontally, it's usually
because something is too big (the page designed for large fixed width).
I think it would be unwieldy for users.

With that said, it's very (too) easy to do. Just place a fixed width
object on the page to set the width large enough to fit all your pictures.

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Jul 23 '05 #5

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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:52:09 -0600, Dave wrote:
My web site is not particularly theme-based, but it contains an Art Gallery
I'd like to display in a different perspective. I would like to horizontally
scroll it, rather than vertically - as if the viewer is virtually "walking"
through the gallery.
Is there some reason why a visitor must download all the pictures just to
see any of them (or none at all)?
I'm just attempting this to have this part of the page be different.


If you want to be different, try a bandwidth- and user-friendly solution:
arrange for a walk-through one picture (ot a few) at a time. Or, link
the individual pictures off a thumbnails page (note: thumbnails, not
dumbnails.)

Just a thought for the World Wide Wait.

Jul 23 '05 #6

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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 06:20:26 GMT, Arjun Ray <ar**@nmds.com.invalid> wrote:
Is there some reason why a visitor must download all the pictures just to
see any of them (or none at all)?
Good point. The OP's plan would seem to be better applied to disk-based
distribution than a web site.
If you want to be different, try a bandwidth- and user-friendly solution:
arrange for a walk-through one picture (ot a few) at a time. Or, link
the individual pictures off a thumbnails page (note: thumbnails, not
dumbnails.)

Just a thought for the World Wide Wait.


AUGH! I HATE sites that parcel things out in tiny chunks. That's just
about as bad as the big download plan. I can scan a big page a lot faster
than I can slog through endless small pages. Thumbnails are definitely the
way to go.

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Jul 23 '05 #7

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In article <9u********************************@4ax.com>,
Kimba W. Lion <ki*******************@127.0.0.1> wrote:

AUGH! I HATE sites that parcel things out in tiny chunks. That's just
about as bad as the big download plan. I can scan a big page a lot faster
than I can slog through endless small pages. Thumbnails are definitely the
way to go.


For me, any form of scanning (or stepping) through a web site, or
asequence of web pages, that can be done using only the **keyboard**
instead of the mouse is infinitely preferable.

On most web pages I seem to be able to scan vertically using the HOME /
PAGE UP / PAGE DOWN / END keys on an extended keyboard -- although some
web pages just won't scroll this way: using these keys on these pages
causes some unrelated auxiliary window at the top of the page to flop
down -- very frustrating.

Horizontal and/or vertical scanning with the keyboard arrow keys?? --
would be very nice (in my opinion, anyway).

Are there any HTML tags that will enable or activate key-driven vertical
or horizontal scanning on some or most browsers?

[Or some "canned" Java coding that I can just copy and paste into my
amateur HTML coding, without having to try to learn Java?]
Jul 23 '05 #8

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In article <ARiAd.4171$2_4.1458@okepread06>, Dave
(gr**********@yahoo.com) dropped a +5 bundle of words...
My web site is not particularly theme-based, but it contains an Art Gallery
I'd like to display in a different perspective. I would like to horizontally
scroll it, rather than vertically - as if the viewer is virtually "walking"
through the gallery. I'm just attempting this to have this part of the page
be different.

Is horizontal scrolling okay, or will it throw our browsers into chaos and
viewers into insanity?
I'm gonna throw my two cents in. Don't do it. Faaaar better to scroll
down than horizontally. It's a pet peeve of mine. I can live with it if
it's a smidge over but too much and I'm gone. Too much info gets buried
off to the side and that makes it just suck. It never impresses me.

I don't know if it's a rule, per se but it should be.
If horizontal scrolling is acceptable, how would I
code it to render properly, as opposed to vertical scrolling?


I've done some reading on usability. Merges.net is a pretty good
resource. Brucie in alt.html has about a zillion helpful links but he's
MIA right now, according to the regs there. Anyway, the point I was
going to make is that while webcoders design like people are going to
read every little bit, people don't actually do that.(usually) They
scan, pick out what they want and go right to it.

Having stuff scroll all the way to the right hinders that. If they don't
notice the horizontal bar they're never going to see the content. In
addition, now they have to scroll over to see it. It's easy to get lost
in a page doing things like that. If they get lost, you're done. They'll
just go somewhere else. There are like 50 million websites out there.
The next one's just a mouseclick away.

You could do something like this:

-----------------
| |
| |
| | <---- current pic
| |
| |
| |
----------------

-------
- -
- - <-- previous pic
- -
-------
Or something like that. You probably don't want a whole lot of...stuff
for lack of a better word since 1) The pics will take longer to load
(obviously) and 2) You don't want to distract from the overall effect of
the picture(s). That's all jmo, though, so take it or leave it as you
will.

Make sure that people can get back to the home page from any point in
the walkthrough. I know from my own experiences as a web user that if I
can't get back to the home page/page out of the loop from something like
that, I'm gone.

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Jul 23 '05 #9

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AES/newspost <si*****@stanford.edu> wrote:
Horizontal and/or vertical scanning with the keyboard arrow keys?? --
would be very nice (in my opinion, anyway).

Are there any HTML tags that will enable or activate key-driven vertical
or horizontal scanning on some or most browsers?


Huh? Hor scrolling with the cursor/arrow keys is pretty much standard on
Windows browsers, probably very slowly if the keyboard repeat rate
hasn't been maxed up though. On my system IE is slow regardless of a
maxed up keyboard repeat rate.

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Jul 23 '05 #10

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In article
<fu********************************@news.spartanic us.utvinternet.ie>,
Spartanicus <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Are there any HTML tags that will enable or activate key-driven vertical
or horizontal scanning on some or most browsers?
Huh? Hor scrolling with the cursor/arrow keys is pretty much standard on
Windows browsers, probably very slowly if the keyboard repeat rate
hasn't been maxed up though. On my system IE is slow regardless of a
maxed up keyboard repeat rate.


FACT: On my system and with my browser [1], some seemingly ordinary web
pages with scroll bars DO scroll (vertically, anyway) using various
combinations of the Home, End, Page Up, Page Down, and/or Arrow keys --
and some DO NOT.

(which would seem to say that the difference is in the way the pages are
coded, not the browser?)

So, SAME QUESTION: Are there any HTML tags, or other coding, that can
be used to set, or control, or turn on, or activate, or whatever, this
behavior?

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[1] Mac OS 9.2, Netscape 7.0, if that matters.
Jul 23 '05 #11

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AES/newspost <si*****@stanford.edu> wrote:
FACT: On my system and with my browser [1], some seemingly ordinary web
pages with scroll bars DO scroll (vertically, anyway) using various
combinations of the Home, End, Page Up, Page Down, and/or Arrow keys --
and some DO NOT.
url?
(which would seem to say that the difference is in the way the pages are
coded, not the browser?)

So, SAME QUESTION:


No need to shout.

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Jul 23 '05 #12

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In our last episode,
<si***************************@news.stanford.edu >,
the lovely and talented AES/newspost
broadcast on comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html:
Are there any HTML tags that will enable or activate key-driven vertical
or horizontal scanning on some or most browsers?


No. However (consult your DTD for details) some elements
support the tabindex attribute (for example: A AREA BUTTON INPUT
OBJECT SELECT TEXTAREA) to indicate the desired tabbing order
and/or the accesskey attribute. The point is to make it easier
to give the element focus from the keyboard. Support in some
browsers is fairly good.

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Jul 23 '05 #13

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In article
<hr********************************@news.spartanic us.utvinternet.ie>,
Spartanicus <me@privacy.net> wrote:
AES/newspost <si*****@stanford.edu> wrote:
FACT: On my system and with my browser [1], some seemingly ordinary web
pages with scroll bars DO scroll (vertically, anyway) using various
combinations of the Home, End, Page Up, Page Down, and/or Arrow keys --
and some DO NOT.


url?


In my experience some browsers just don't know when to set focus to the
URL field and when to the content area, resulting in the obvious. In the
case of frames, a browser even has an excuse for not knowing which area
to set focus to. And then there's the possibility of the user not being
aware that he can only manipulate that which has focus.

(Other than that of course the question isn't interesting to WWW
authoring. No browser should allow itself to be manipulated in such a
manner through a remote Web page and no Web author should want to, even
if he could.)

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Jul 23 '05 #14

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Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<si***************************@news.stanford.edu >,
the lovely and talented AES/newspost
broadcast on comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html:
Are there any HTML tags that will enable or activate key-driven vertical
or horizontal scanning on some or most browsers?


No. However (consult your DTD for details) some elements
support the tabindex attribute


However, more often than not, tabindex impedes keyboard navigation in
modern browsers, so should not be used at all.

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