this is truly bizarre...

[Frances Del Rio]

this is so bizarre, and don't even know if this is right place to ask,
but don't know where else:

about two days I changed webhosting, changed DNS for my domain,
francesdelrio.com, now when I view my site, www.francesdelrio.com from
work it looks fine, just like it should (black bg, a bunch of links in
green fonts sitting on a green-tone graffiti-graphic..) and all links
work.. but: when I view it from home it takes me to old server!! and I
just see an index of directories (b/c I already deleted all files from
ftp servers at old webhosting, sent them an e-mail over 24 hrs ago
telling them to close my acct, which until now they have ignored, which
is also weird..)

I cleared cached on both N and IE, but this did not make a difference...

my domain started working at new server (was 'propagated', I guess is
right term..) yesterday afternoon, I viewed for 1st time on new server
from work, where it looked fine, then got home last night and saw it
still directed to old webhosting server, then got to work this morning
where again it looked fine, now just got home and again, at home it
directs to old webhosting server, where all I see is list of
directories.. I'm talking about EXACT same url, www.francesdelrio.com,
at work and at home.. can anybody shed some light here? this is too
weird.. thank you.. Frances

[Neal]

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:33:40 -0500, Frances Del Rio <fd***@yahoo.com>
wrote:

this is so bizarre, and don't even know if this is right place to ask,
but don't know where else:

about two days I changed webhosting, changed DNS for my domain,
francesdelrio.com, now when I view my site, www.francesdelrio.com from
work it looks fine, just like it should (black bg, a bunch of links in
green fonts sitting on a green-tone graffiti-graphic..) and all links
work..
That's what I see. Slow as shit in the cold, BTW.
but: when I view it from home it takes me to old server!! and I just
see an index of directories (b/c I already deleted all files from ftp
servers at old webhosting, sent them an e-mail over 24 hrs ago telling
them to close my acct, which until now they have ignored, which is also
weird..)

You've cleared caches. The only possibility I can think of is that your
ISP hasn't caught the change yet, and you're accessing THEIR cache. Time
will tell.

[Frances Del Rio]

Neal wrote:

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:33:40 -0500, Frances Del Rio <fd***@yahoo.com>
wrote:

this is so bizarre, and don't even know if this is right place to ask,
but don't know where else:

about two days I changed webhosting, changed DNS for my domain,
francesdelrio.com, now when I view my site, www.francesdelrio.com from
work it looks fine, just like it should (black bg, a bunch of links in
green fonts sitting on a green-tone graffiti-graphic..) and all links
work..

That's what I see. Slow as shit in the cold, BTW.

slow? you mean site loads slow?

but: when I view it from home it takes me to old server!! and I just
see an index of directories (b/c I already deleted all files from ftp
servers at old webhosting, sent them an e-mail over 24 hrs ago telling
them to close my acct, which until now they have ignored, which is
also weird..)

You've cleared caches. The only possibility I can think of is that your
ISP hasn't caught the change yet, and you're accessing THEIR cache. Time
will tell.

you mean OLD ISP hasn't caught the change yet?? (well, but, again, the
bizarre thing is on same url I see something diff. at work from what I
see on same url when I look at it from home.. I have never seen such a
thing..) thank you for yr response.. Frances

[Neal]

Frances Del Rio wrote:

slow? you mean site loads slow?
Quite. 56k.

The only possibility I can think of is that your ISP hasn't caught the
change yet, and you're accessing THEIR cache.

you mean OLD ISP hasn't caught the change yet??

I assume you are accessing through different lines at work than at home.
Your home computer is hooked through ISP XYZ, for example. At work you
have ABC connected to the net. What's probably happening is that XYZ
hasn't caught up with the change yet, while ABC has.
(well, but, again, the bizarre thing is on same url I see something
diff. at work from what I see on same url when I look at it from home..
I have never seen such a thing..)

URL used to point to the dead page, right? Home connection is to a server
which hasn't updated to the new location, that's all. If it goes on for a
day or two more, try contacting whoever you pay for home service and
report it, though if my guess is right they're probably not too bright and
won't know what to do anyway... :(

[Frances Del Rio]

Neal wrote:

Frances Del Rio wrote:

slow? you mean site loads slow?

Quite. 56k.

The only possibility I can think of is that your ISP hasn't caught
the change yet, and you're accessing THEIR cache.

you mean OLD ISP hasn't caught the change yet??

I assume you are accessing through different lines at work than at home.
Your home computer is hooked through ISP XYZ, for example. At work you
have ABC connected to the net. What's probably happening is that XYZ
hasn't caught up with the change yet, while ABC has.

(well, but, again, the bizarre thing is on same url I see something
diff. at work from what I see on same url when I look at it from
home.. I have never seen such a thing..)

URL used to point to the dead page, right? Home connection is to a
server which hasn't updated to the new location, that's all. If it goes
on for a day or two more, try contacting whoever you pay for home
service and report it, though if my guess is right they're probably not
too bright and won't know what to do anyway... :(

ok, again, thank you for your help.. I guess I have to wait for old ISP
to close acct (if acct were closed now already I might be getting 404's
on my own site.. bizarre... but then again maybe not, who knows..)
you're right: diff. connections to the net from home (Comcast, cable
modem) and work where we have standard T1 or whatever.. I work for an
internet co., maybe tomorrow I'll talk to some of the systems people
there, see what they say...

thank you again.. like you say, time will tell.. Frances

[Jan Roland Eriksson]

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:33:40 -0500, Frances Del Rio <fd***@yahoo.com>
wrote:

this is so bizarre...
No, not really.
about two days I changed webhosting, changed DNS for my domain,
francesdelrio.com, now when I view my site, www.francesdelrio.com from
work it looks fine, just like it should (black bg, a bunch of links in
green fonts sitting on a green-tone graffiti-graphic..) and all links
work.. but: when I view it from home it takes me to old server!!

No it does not. Your "home" ISP is delivering from his internet proxy
cache. You are not on AOL at home by any chance?
(give it a few days and it will straighten out by it self)

--
Rex

[Neal]

Frances Del Rio wrote:

ok, again, thank you for your help.. I guess I have to wait for old ISP
to close acct
Not even that.

Whatever computer you're dialing into thinks the URL you want is still at
an old location. If you changed it over properly, there's a message on its
way to that computer saying, no, it's not there any more, it's here, and
when that message get there it'll be fixed.

It's even likely that the old page isn't even up anymore, and you're
getting the cache housed on the computer you're dialing into. Or a
computer on the way to the one housing the actual site.
(if acct were closed now already I might be getting 404's on my own
site.. bizarre... but then again maybe not, who knows..)
See, sometimes you go to a website and you get a cache instead. These
caches are supposed to be up to date, but sometimes things go wonky.
That's probably what's going on.
like you say, time will tell..

It will fix itself in less than two days, I bet.

[Frances Del Rio]

Neal wrote:

Frances Del Rio wrote:

ok, again, thank you for your help.. I guess I have to wait for old
ISP to close acct

Not even that.

Whatever computer you're dialing into thinks the URL you want is still
at an old location. If you changed it over properly, there's a message
on its way to that computer saying, no, it's not there any more, it's
here, and when that message get there it'll be fixed.

It's even likely that the old page isn't even up anymore, and you're
getting the cache housed on the computer you're dialing into. Or a
computer on the way to the one housing the actual site.

(if acct were closed now already I might be getting 404's on my own
site.. bizarre... but then again maybe not, who knows..)

See, sometimes you go to a website and you get a cache instead. These
caches are supposed to be up to date, but sometimes things go wonky.
That's probably what's going on.

like you say, time will tell..

It will fix itself in less than two days, I bet.

ok cool.. I shall wait, then.. thank you again very much for taking
the time.. Frances

[Harlan Messinger]

"Frances Del Rio" <fd***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:30*************@uni-berlin.de...

this is so bizarre, and don't even know if this is right place to ask,
but don't know where else:

about two days I changed webhosting, changed DNS for my domain,
francesdelrio.com, now when I view my site, www.francesdelrio.com from
work it looks fine, just like it should (black bg, a bunch of links in
green fonts sitting on a green-tone graffiti-graphic..) and all links
work.. but: when I view it from home it takes me to old server!! and I
just see an index of directories (b/c I already deleted all files from
ftp servers at old webhosting, sent them an e-mail over 24 hrs ago
telling them to close my acct, which until now they have ignored, which
is also weird..)

Hosting/DNS changes take amazingly variable amounts of time to propagate
over the Internet. There must be factors other than just the amount of time
your DNS server caches its host name lookups. For example, my company moved
some servers in our domain (call it xyz.com) to a different ISP a few weeks
ago on a Friday night. I checked in from my home computer several times on
Saturday. At 9 in the morning, I was still getting the old IP addresses for
three host names. By 3, www.xyz.com worked but mail.xyz.com and vpn.xyz.com
didn't. By 3 in the afternoon, the right address was being returned for the
vpn host, but the mail host didn't come through until sometime during the
evening.

[Frances Del Rio]

Harlan Messinger wrote:

"Frances Del Rio" <fd***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:30*************@uni-berlin.de...

this is so bizarre, and don't even know if this is right place to ask,
but don't know where else:

about two days I changed webhosting, changed DNS for my domain,
francesdelrio.com, now when I view my site, www.francesdelrio.com from
work it looks fine, just like it should (black bg, a bunch of links in
green fonts sitting on a green-tone graffiti-graphic..) and all links
work.. but: when I view it from home it takes me to old server!! and I
just see an index of directories (b/c I already deleted all files from
ftp servers at old webhosting, sent them an e-mail over 24 hrs ago
telling them to close my acct, which until now they have ignored, which
is also weird..)

Hosting/DNS changes take amazingly variable amounts of time to propagate
over the Internet. There must be factors other than just the amount of time
your DNS server caches its host name lookups. For example, my company moved
some servers in our domain (call it xyz.com) to a different ISP a few weeks
ago on a Friday night. I checked in from my home computer several times on
Saturday. At 9 in the morning, I was still getting the old IP addresses for
three host names. By 3, www.xyz.com worked but mail.xyz.com and vpn.xyz.com
didn't. By 3 in the afternoon, the right address was being returned for the
vpn host, but the mail host didn't come through until sometime during the
evening.

yeah, I guess there's more to this than I thought... last night about
an hour after my last post on this thread it finally worked -- on IE, on
Netscape it was still pointing to old server.. weird... but just like
Neal pointed out to me, give it time.... :) it'll probably be working
on both browsers by this weekend... thank you for your response.. Frances

[Brian]

Frances Del Rio wrote:

about two days I changed webhosting, changed DNS for my domain,
francesdelrio.com, now when I view my site, www.francesdelrio.com
from work it looks fine, just like it should (black bg, a bunch of
links in green fonts sitting on a green-tone graffiti-graphic..) and
all links work.. but: when I view it from home it takes me to old
server!!

This is an artifact of HTTP caching. Besides caching pages, servers and
isps also cache DNS stuff, so that response times are improved for their
customers. It can take as long as 2 days for the world to catch up with
your move.

--
Brian (remove "invalid" to email me)

[Frances Del Rio]

Brian wrote:

Frances Del Rio wrote:

about two days I changed webhosting, changed DNS for my domain,
francesdelrio.com, now when I view my site, www.francesdelrio.com
from work it looks fine, just like it should (black bg, a bunch of
links in green fonts sitting on a green-tone graffiti-graphic..) and
all links work.. but: when I view it from home it takes me to old
server!!

This is an artifact of HTTP caching. Besides caching pages, servers and
isps also cache DNS stuff,

interesting.......... and very good to know... thank you.... Frances