Link underlining - how to turn off?

[Mason A. Clark]

I have a page with many links. Browsers like
to underline the links -- result is ugly.

Is there any (CSS?) way to prevent underlining?
(By the way, I decry the common practice
of making links hard to see -- at least
color them.)

Mason C

[Uncle Pirate]

Mason A. Clark wrote:

I have a page with many links. Browsers like
to underline the links -- result is ugly.

Is there any (CSS?) way to prevent underlining?
Yes. http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/text.h...ext-decoration


(By the way, I decry the common practice
of making links hard to see -- at least
color them.)

Most visitors to a site also expect links to be underlined, ugly as it
is. Unless you take measures like creating an obvious menu, links will
go unnoticed. IF you choose to remove underlines, take extra effort to
make it very very clear that your chosen style is a link.

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[Neal]

Uncle Pirate <st**@surecann.com> wrote:

Mason A. Clark wrote:

Is there any (CSS?) way to prevent underlining?

Most visitors to a site also expect links to be underlined, ugly as
it is. Unless you take measures like creating an obvious menu,
links will go unnoticed. IF you choose to remove underlines, take
extra effort to make it very very clear that your chosen style is a
link.

And be sure not to rely on color or boldfacing to do it. Both have
major isses attached.

[Mark Tranchant]

Mason A. Clark wrote:

I have a page with many links. Browsers like
to underline the links -- result is ugly.

Is there any (CSS?) way to prevent underlining?
See the text-decoration property.
(By the way, I decry the common practice
of making links hard to see -- at least
color them.)

And what if I'm colour-blind? I agree that the usual underlining is a
bit harsh: my usual solution is to use a subtle border-bottom with hover
effects. See the site in my sig for an example.

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[Stan Brown]

"Mason A. Clark" wrote in comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets:

Is there any (CSS?) way to prevent underlining?

(By the way, I decry the common practice
of making links hard to see -- at least
color them.)

So you want to make links hard to see, but not make them hard to see.
Uh-HUH.

Underlining is part of hat makes links visible. You're putting your
aesthetic sensibility up against a part of the user interface that
everyone understands.

If you're still determined to do this damn silly thing, style all <a>
elements with text-decoration:none.
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[Kerberos]

Em Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:07:02 +0000, Mark Tranchant
<ma**@tranchant.plus.com> escreveu:

my usual solution is to use a subtle border-bottom with hover effects.
See the site in my sig for an example.

I like it, but I think it comes in contradiction with the acronym or abbr
tags effect that do a similar effect(bottom dotted border).
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[Kerberos]

Em Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:34:36 -0500, Neal <ne*****@yahoo.com> escreveu:

And be sure not to rely on color or boldfacing to do it. Both have major
isses attached.

This is what I use most of the time.
What do you suggest instead?
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[Neal]

Kerberos <[e-mail]> wrote:

Neal <ne*****@yahoo.com>:

And be sure not to rely on color or boldfacing to do it. Both have
major isses attached.

This is what I use most of the time.
What do you suggest instead?

Underlining. It means "link" to WWW users. Colors mean nothing if the
user's eyes or equipment cannot handle color well. Bolding isn't bad
really (so long as you don't set it on hover but not on link, of
course) but underlining is the way people expect to find links.

The only un-underlined links ("derlined" links? :D ) I use are in a
list of what are clearly navigational elements.

[Kerberos]

Em Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:49:11 -0500, Neal <ne*****@yahoo.com> escreveu:

It means "link" to WWW users. Colors mean nothing if the user's eyes or
equipment cannot handle color well.

I second that. There are norms that, if respected, add to accessibility.
Oh well, real world case are sometimes different - The important thing is
to take a dummy standpoint while creating the page, and see where
accessibility can be improved.

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[Mason A. Clark]

>Mason A. Clark wrote:

I have a page with many links. Browsers like
to underline the links -- result is ugly.

Is there any (CSS?) way to prevent underlining?

Yes. http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/text.h...ext-decoration

(By the way, I decry the common practice
of making links hard to see -- at least
color them.)

Ha! I got slammed for the underlines, then I got
slammed for thinking of eliminating them.

Mason C loser I'll do it my way.

[Mason A. Clark]

Question: Is table page-formatting permitted on this
news group?
http://OakRoadSystems.com/

ha, gotcha

(revenge for sarcastic comment)

Mason C

[Alan J. Flavell]

On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Mason A. Clark wrote:

[ various stuff, including ]

Mason C loser I'll do it my way.

If your opinion of usenet is so low, I guess you'd have nothing
against being put into the killfile. As one sows, so shall one reap.

bye now.

[Uncle Pirate]

Mason A. Clark wrote:

Mason A. Clark wrote:

I have a page with many links. Browsers like
to underline the links -- result is ugly.

Is there any (CSS?) way to prevent underlining?

Yes. http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/text.h...ext-decoration

(By the way, I decry the common practice
of making links hard to see -- at least
color them.)

Ha! I got slammed for the underlines, then I got
slammed for thinking of eliminating them.

Mason C loser I'll do it my way.

If you think I slammed you, then you are way too thin skinned for
usenet. And if you can't take a little constuctive criticism and learn
from it, you've no business creating web pages at all. Don't bother
replying as I probably won't see it. *plonk*

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Webmaster/Computer Center Manager, NMSU at Alamogordo
Cooordinator, Tularosa Basin Chapter, ABATE of NM; AMA#758681; COBB
'94 1500 Vulcan (now wrecked) :( http://motorcyclefun.org/Dcp_2068c.jpg
A zest for living must include a willingness to die. - R.A. Heinlein

[Stan Brown]

"Mason A. Clark" wrote in comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets:

Ha! I got slammed for the underlines, then I got
slammed for thinking of eliminating them.

Whoever "slammed" you for having underlined links has no idea of how
to do a user interface. Their opinion is about a worthwhile as that
of someone who tells you to write your PIN on your ATM card.

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http://OakRoadSystems.com/
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validator: http://validator.w3.org/
CSS 2.1 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/
validator: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
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[Mason A. Clark]

On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:02:27 -0500, Stan Brown <th************@fastmail.fm>
wrote:

"Mason A. Clark" wrote in comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets:

Ha! I got slammed for the underlines, then I got
slammed for thinking of eliminating them.

Whoever "slammed" you for having underlined links has no idea of how
to do a user interface. Their opinion is about a worthwhile as that
of someone who tells you to write your PIN on your ATM card.

Thanks. I'm reassured that underline is ok, good in fact.

I was amazed at the number of web sites that
have "hidden" links to be searched for using the
mouse as a mine detector.

Also amazed at the humourless thin skins on this css site.

Mason C table-user in the css killfiles

for id only: http://masonc.home.netcom.com

[Darin McGrew]

Mason A. Clark <ma*******@THISix.netcom.comQQQ> wrote:

I was amazed at the number of web sites that
have "hidden" links to be searched for using the
mouse as a mine detector.
Most web sites have poor usability, terrible accessibility, broken tag-soup
markup, etc.

Most of the regulars in CIWAS try to do better.
Also amazed at the humourless thin skins on this css site.

CSS site? What CSS site? This is a USENET discussion group.
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