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Is it pretty safe to say that almost all web surfers now use browsers
that are Frames compatible? What are most people using these days?
IE?

Thanks
Jul 20 '05 #1
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JohnnyCJohnny wrote:
Is it pretty safe to say that almost all web surfers now use browsers
that are Frames compatible? What are most people using these days?
IE?


Lynx! ;-)

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Jul 20 '05 #2
"JohnnyCJoh nny" <jo****@patmedi a.net> wrote in message
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Is it pretty safe to say that almost all web surfers now use browsers
that are Frames compatible? What are most people using these days?
IE?


IE is the leading user agent these days... but that doesn't mean it's ok to
use frames (or to write HTML for IE only). If you code your site
semantically correct, then your site will be more accessible to people with
disabilities. For example, a blind person who uses an aural browser to read
the page to him/her... how do you think frames would be handled in that
situation? Not very well.

Regards,
Peter Foti
Jul 20 '05 #3
"JohnnyCJoh nny" <jo****@patmedi a.net> wrote in message
news:cd******** *************** ***@posting.goo gle.com...
Is it pretty safe to say that almost all web surfers now use browsers
that are Frames compatible? What are most people using these days?
IE?

Thanks


http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
Jul 20 '05 #4
JohnnyCJohnny wrote:
Is it pretty safe to say that almost all web surfers now use
browsers that are Frames compatible?
In the context of the www, I'd say that any assumption about your
visitors' browsing environment is unwise.
What are most people using these days? IE?


Who knows? Better question: why fret about something over which you
have no control? Design correctly, and let the browsers sort out the
details.

Some hints:

1. frames are rarely a good solution to any problem.
< http://dorward.me.uk/www/frames/ >

2. Lynx doesn't do frames.

3. Google "sees" things largely as Lynx does.

4. Opera, a very advanced, modern ua, has a "no frames" browsing option.

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Jul 20 '05 #5
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
Is it pretty safe to say that almost all web surfers now use browsers
that are Frames compatible? What are most people using these days? IE?

Lynx! ;-)


But Lynx is frames compatible. It displays the frames as links, and is
quite usable if the author gives the frames good name (not left, right,
bottom, framea, etc). Unfortunately, it doesn't support the "title"
attribute, which could give an even higher degree of accessibility.

Jul 20 '05 #6
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003, JohnnyCJohnny wrote:
Is it pretty safe to say that almost all web surfers now use browsers
that are Frames compatible?
It's pretty safe to say that most web users are using browsers which
are noframes-incompatible.

If you're still crazy enough to insist on using frames (their
inventor, i.e Netscape, seems to have given up using frames on their
own web pages, except for special purposes, within less than a year of
plonking down this misbegotten design on the W3C as a fait accompli).
What are most people using these days?
Something which has deliberately ruled itself out as a WWW browser, by
intentionally violating mandatory requirements of the relevant W3C and
IETF specifications.
IE?


You might say that...

But nevertheless, with a bit of author consideration, IE is capable of
browsing properly-made WWW pages, so there's no need to go designing
special page versions for it. After all, most of the folks who are
using IE have never made an explicit choice. They're accustomed to
what it does. If you want to also appeal to a discerning audience,
then design for the WWW, with due consideration of the letter and
spirit of their specifications, including the WAI. Doing frames
properly is a lot of work - the result still rates to be inferior.

Presumably, search engines are of interest to you also? After all, a
large proportion of web pages are found via a search engine. If a
would-be reader never finds your page in the first place, it really
doesn't matter whether their browser supports your frames or not.

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"Sorry, your browser doesn't support frames" - dumb web site
"Sorry, your web author doesn't support frames" - me.
Jul 20 '05 #7
Keith Bowes wrote:
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
Is it pretty safe to say that almost all web surfers now use
browsers that are Frames compatible? What are most people
using these days? IE?
Lynx! ;-)


But Lynx is frames compatible. It displays the frames as links, and
is quite usable if the author gives the frames good name (not left,
right, bottom, framea, etc).


Fair enough.
Unfortunately, it doesn't support the "title" attribute, which
could give an even higher degree of accessibility.


I happen to dislike its rendering of iframe. It shows a link to the
frame source in addition to the iframe element's content, but a
properly authored document already has a link to the src, with
suitable link text, as the iframe content. It leads to redundant
information. I'd guess the same issue arises with the noframe element.

Nitpicking, yes, but these things bug me.

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Jul 20 '05 #8
Alan J. Flavell wrote:
"Sorry, your browser doesn't support frames" - dumb web site
"Sorry, your web author doesn't support frames" - me.


rotfl. Good one, Mr. Flavell.

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Jul 20 '05 #9
Alan J. Flavell wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003, JohnnyCJohnny wrote:
Is it pretty safe to say that almost all web surfers now use browsers
that are Frames compatible?
It's pretty safe to say that most web users are using browsers which
are noframes-incompatible.


I can't quite parse the double negative there. Opera, e.g., seems to
be capable of rendering the noframes element when in no-frames mode.
And Lynx has no trouble with noframes content. It appears that I have
misunderstood you.
"Sorry, your browser doesn't support frames" - dumb web site
"Sorry, your web author doesn't support frames" - me.


rotfl. Good one, Mr. Flavell. (Your sig separator is fine, of
course; I pasted that in because I found it so funny.)

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Jul 20 '05 #10

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