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What are the advantages n disadvantages of using frames?

jj
Care to enlight?
Thanks!
Jul 20 '05
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"jj" <tw*******@yaho o.com> wrote in message
news:7d******** *************** ***@posting.goo gle.com...
Care to enlight?
Thanks!


what's most startling are the lame-ass sites done by these folk with the big
opinions.
Jul 20 '05 #11
In article <fj************ *************** *****@4ax.com>,
ga*****@bessieb ee.com says...
On 4 Jul 2003 19:04:07 -0700, tw*******@yahoo .com (jj) wrote:
Care to enlight?
Thanks!

One of my biggest complaints about framed sites is when the author
provides links to outside sites, but leaves them trapped within their
frame. For this reason I've added a "break free of frames" link on a
lot of the pages for which I'm responsible.

[snip] Leslie
Leslie's Audio Trivia
http://www.BessieBee.com/Trivia/


Well, again, in at least IE and Mozilla, probably also NS and Opera,
right click on the link and you have the option of opening it in a new
window independent of the frame.

John
_______________ _______________ _______________ __
C'est la vie! C'est la guerre! Say no more!
Jul 20 '05 #12
"John" <jc****@delete. email.com> wrote in message
news:MP******** *************** *@news.sunflowe r.com...
One thing about frames which greatly annoys me is the inability to bookmark a page once I've found it. Or copy and paste a URL to give to someone
else.


I keep seeing people saying that, and I just don't get it. Am I the only
person in the world with a right mouse button? Sure, you bookmark the


Y'know how often my wife sends me links to a framesetted site? "Look at
this!" she says, only to find the home page and not whatever it was she was
looking at. She doesn't know enough about how a web page goes together to
understand that what is in the address bar is different than the page she's
looking at. And she shouldn't have to.

Jonathan
Jul 20 '05 #13
P
what's most startling are the lame-ass sites done by these folk with the big
opinions.


No, what's most startling is how mean people are on newsgroups sometimes. Let's try keeping it civil and respectful, please!

--
P@tty Ayers
http://www.WebDevBiz.com
Web Design Contract, Estimate Worksheet
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Jul 20 '05 #14
P
> One of my biggest complaints about framed sites is when the author
provides links to outside sites, but leaves them trapped within their
frame. ..


Leslie - I understand that there are possible copyright considerations in doing that, since the "framer" is giving the impression that the "trapped" site is his own work. For me, it's highly unlikely that I'll ever take someone to court for doing it, so to some extent that's a moot point. But I've started to put a clause in my Copyright Notice on sites stating, "Framing of this site by outside parties is strictly prohibited", in hopes of being in a slightly stronger position if and when I have to confront them, as you have.

I don't expect miracles, but I figure it's wise to take what precautions I can. :-)

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P@tty Ayers
http://www.WebDevBiz.com
Web Design Contract, Estimate Worksheet
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Jul 20 '05 #15
In article <ra************ *******@news04. bloor.is.net.ca ble.rogers.com> ,
go************* **@snook.ca says...
"John" <jc****@delete. email.com> wrote in message
news:MP******** *************** *@news.sunflowe r.com...
One thing about frames which greatly annoys me is the inability to bookmark a page once I've found it. Or copy and paste a URL to give to someone
else.


I keep seeing people saying that, and I just don't get it. Am I the only
person in the world with a right mouse button? Sure, you bookmark the


Y'know how often my wife sends me links to a framesetted site? "Look at
this!" she says, only to find the home page and not whatever it was she was
looking at. She doesn't know enough about how a web page goes together to
understand that what is in the address bar is different than the page she's
looking at. And she shouldn't have to.

Jonathan


I understand what you're saying. But it's not a matter of whether she
needs to understand how a web page goes together but rather understanding
how to use the features of her browser. Modern browsers have features
that "average" surfers don't bother to learn about, but if they did their
internet experience would be enhanced. Should browser developers scrap
the right click menu, for example, because as a policy matter web authors
should not design sites where such a menu is useful? Should site authors
design their sites having in mind the capabilities of modern browsers, or
only the capabilities of newbie AOLers? Of course, they should have both
in mind, but I think they should be free to then decide on the design
they like best. Unless they are a government site or government sponsored
site, in which case all the rules about accessibility should apply, along
with lowest common denominator usability.

John
_______________ _______________ _______________ __
C'est la vie! C'est la guerre! Say no more!
Jul 20 '05 #16
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 02:54:47 -0500, "Rote, Kyle" <Ky*********@ao l.com>
wrote:
No, what's most startling is how mean people are on newsgroups sometimes.
Let's try keeping it civil and respectful, please!

--
P@tty Ayers
http://www.WebDevBiz.com
Web Design Contract, Estimate Worksheet
--

i don't think it's mean to notice that the most opinionated, sarcastic, and
sometimes just plain nasty people who take it upon themselves to skewer
anyone who comes here with a legit question, are not necessarily making the
most wonderful sites in the world. In fact, checking a few in this thread
and others, I find some of the sites downright dull, and worse. Their code
may be perfect and validate like crazy, but in the final analysis, that's
not the measure of a topflight web site.

At least not IMHO.


Are you suggesting that a site produced by a single person in his/her
spare time should be comparable with sites produced by organisations
with turnovers of thousands of millions of dollars? Is that reasonable?

I reckon I understand HTML/CSS better than many of the people out there
who call themselves web-designers, but I make no claim to be a graphical
designer. So there is little point looking at my site for elaborate
logos and banners.

--
Stephen Poley

http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/
Jul 20 '05 #17
"Dan Langille" <us******@YEAH. RIGHT.dvl-software.com.in valid> wrote in
message news:36******** *************** *********@4ax.c om...

One thing about frames which greatly annoys me is the inability to bookmark a page once I've found it. Or copy and paste a URL to give to someone
else.
--


This is also a problem with ASP/JSP pages. There was a page on the Sun site
that I went to often. It took six clicks to get there from the bookmark.

Jul 20 '05 #18
Steven Dilley wrote:
One thing about frames which greatly annoys me is the inability to
bookmark a page once I've found it. Or copy and paste a URL to give to
someone else.


This is also a problem with ASP/JSP pages. There was a page on the Sun
site that I went to often. It took six clicks to get there from the
bookmark.


This only occurs when the page relies upon POST data submitted by a form,
whereas most dynamically created pages will use GET data, which is part of
the URL and is 100% bookmarkable(?) .

--
Dylan Parry - http://www.DylanParry.com

Not playing any music, but savouring the silence.
Jul 20 '05 #19
On Mon, Jul 7, Dylan Parry inscribed on the eternal scroll:
This only occurs when the page relies upon POST data submitted by a form,
whereas most dynamically created pages will use GET data, which is part of
the URL and is 100% bookmarkable(?) .


Nah - plenty of sites when I revisit with a bookmarked URL they
tell me that my "session has expired" and to go back to the front door
and start again. Ratbags.
Jul 20 '05 #20

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