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What are the advantages n disadvantages of using frames?

jj
Care to enlight?
Thanks!
Jul 20 '05 #1
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jj wrote:
Care to enlight?
Thanks!


Tip: Let the body of the message stand on its own.

Advantages of frames: If implemented badly can save bandwidth and effort.

Disadvantages of frames: Lots. Lots and lots and lots.
http://stone.thecoreworlds.net/www/frames/

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David Dorward http://david.us-lot.org/
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Jul 20 '05 #2
David Dorward wrote:
Advantages of frames: If implemented badly can save bandwidth and
effort. ^^^^^


Go back to bed David :o)

--
Dylan Parry - http://www.DylanParry.com

Not playing any music, but savouring the silence.
Jul 20 '05 #3
Dylan Parry wrote:
David Dorward wrote:
Advantages of frames: If implemented badly can save bandwidth and
effort. ^^^^^

Go back to bed David :o)


I can't sleep, but I was right the first time :)

Well implemented frames have got good <noframes> content, multiple framesets
(for bookmarking) and a robots.txt that asks search engines not to index
the pages displayed in the frames (but to index the high quality <noframes>
content).

This all adds up to needing more bandwidth and work.

One day I'll get around to writing a "doing frames right" tutorial (which
will scare people away from frames forever). In the meantime[1] you can
read my week old and not heavily promoted "Protecting images and source
code from thieves" article <http://stone.thecorewo rlds.net/www/hide/> and
play with my new Perl script "TOC builder"
<http://stone.thecorewo rlds.net/software/tocbuilder/>

Comments on both would be welcome, but I may not respond for a little while
as in 3 hours time I'm leaving for the Lake District for 4 days of peace
and quiet. :)

[1] Now I will spam the group with on-topic content as revenge for having to
defend myself.

--
David Dorward http://david.us-lot.org/
With a brain that is oddly sharp for 4am
Jul 20 '05 #4
In article <be************ *******@news.de mon.co.uk>, do*****@yahoo.c om
says...
Dylan Parry wrote:
David Dorward wrote:

Advantages of frames: If implemented badly can save bandwidth and
effort. ^^^^^

Go back to bed David :o)


I can't sleep, but I was right the first time :)

I agree that you're right. If "implemente d badly" (sic) they can save a
lot of bandwidth by ensuring your site never shows up in search engines

:0)
Jul 20 '05 #5
On 4 Jul 2003 19:04:07 -0700, tw*******@yahoo .com (jj) wrote:
Care to enlight?


One thing about frames which greatly annoys me is the inability to bookmark
a page once I've found it. Or copy and paste a URL to give to someone
else.
--
Dan Langille
resume: http://www.langille.org/
Jul 20 '05 #6
Jacqui or Pete wrote:
I agree that you're right. If "implemente d badly" (sic) they can save a
lot of bandwidth by ensuring your site never shows up in search engines


Yeah, I can see his point now. Yet I also think that a site made in Front
Page will also save you bandwidth in that no-one will want to visit twice.

--
Dylan Parry - http://www.DylanParry.com

Not playing any music, but savouring the silence.

Jul 20 '05 #7
In article <pa************ *************** *@webpageworksh op.co.uk>,
dy***@webpagewo rkshop.co.uk says...
Jacqui or Pete wrote:
I agree that you're right. If "implemente d badly" (sic) they can save a
lot of bandwidth by ensuring your site never shows up in search engines


Yeah, I can see his point now. Yet I also think that a site made in Front
Page will also save you bandwidth in that no-one will want to visit twice.

True, but then with frames no-one can bookmark the things they want to
see, which also cuts down on visits. I guess a combination of the two
would be ideal? With 8px text so the content is unreadable?

Jul 20 '05 #8
In article <36************ *************** *****@4ax.com>, usenet02
@YEAH.RIGHT.dvl-software.com.in valid says...
On 4 Jul 2003 19:04:07 -0700, tw*******@yahoo .com (jj) wrote:
Care to enlight?


One thing about frames which greatly annoys me is the inability to bookmark
a page once I've found it. Or copy and paste a URL to give to someone
else.


I keep seeing people saying that, and I just don't get it. Am I the only
person in the world with a right mouse button? Sure, you bookmark the
page out of its frameset context. If the site author hasn't provided the
means to get back in frame (if it matters), then it's a poorly done site.
But hardly more contemptible, for purposes of this NG I should think,
than a non-frames site with misbegotten DHTML, flash nav, and 1001
validation errors.

John
_______________ _______________ _______________ __
C'est la vie! C'est la guerre! Say no more!
Jul 20 '05 #9
On 4 Jul 2003 19:04:07 -0700, tw*******@yahoo .com (jj) wrote:
Care to enlight?
Thanks!

One of my biggest complaints about framed sites is when the author
provides links to outside sites, but leaves them trapped within their
frame. For this reason I've added a "break free of frames" link on a
lot of the pages for which I'm responsible.

In the past I've emailed the author of those framed sites and asked to
have my link modified so that my site is no longer 'trapped' in their
frame. Most of the time I got no response (and no change in the way
the link is coded) or if I did get a response, it said one of two
things, "Huh? I don't understand what you mean." or "I don't want
visitors to leave my site to visit yours."

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Just my $.02.

Leslie
Leslie's Audio Trivia
http://www.BessieBee.com/Trivia/
Jul 20 '05 #10

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