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I just had a bad experience using MS Word as an HTML editor. It
bloated more than 200% so I could barely recognize the essential
statements; and it introduced more than 14,000 errors. Also, although
it displayed fine in Firefox, it was unintelligible to IE. I spent
the day trying to reduce the errors to the point wherel HTML Tidy
could finish a pass without aborting. Finally I succeeded. No
errors. It displays fine in Firefox & IE.

BUT, my question is, what can I use for an editor now? I'd like to be
able to insert table rows and columns with the ease of MS Word, but I
want no errors and I want an HTML code that I can still modify
myself. What can you recommend?

Thanks a lot.

Trish

Jul 19 '07 #1
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Trish wrote:
I just had a bad experience using MS Word as an HTML editor.
No surprise there. I've read where the four worst HTML 'editors' are:

4. Microsoft FrontPage
3. Microsoft Word
2. Microsoft Excel
1. Microsoft Publisher
It bloated more than 200% so I could barely recognize the essential
statements; and it introduced more than 14,000 errors.
Wow! That has to be a new world's record!
Also, although it displayed fine in Firefox, it was unintelligible to
IE.
...but that is rare. Normally, IE can comprehend, and all real browsers
screw up with all the MS bloat in there.
I spent the day trying to reduce the errors to the point wherel HTML
Tidy could finish a pass without aborting. Finally I succeeded. No
errors. It displays fine in Firefox & IE.
Time is never recoverable.
BUT, my question is, what can I use for an editor now?
I like (for Windows) Crimson Editor ... but that is what it is, an
*editor*, not a word processor or code generator. It is also an
excellent project manager for your sites.
http://crimsoneditor.com/

Then again, I write code by hand.
I'd like to be able to insert table rows and columns with the ease of
MS Word, but I want no errors and I want an HTML code that I can
still modify myself. What can you recommend?
Try Kompozer, which is the continuing development of NVu.
http://kompozer.sourceforge.net/

but remember, there are no WYSIWYMG 'editors' that generate error-free
code.

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck
Jul 19 '07 #2
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Trish wrote:
>I just had a bad experience using MS Word as an HTML editor.

No surprise there. I've read where the four worst HTML 'editors' are:

4. Microsoft FrontPage
3. Microsoft Word
2. Microsoft Excel
1. Microsoft Publisher
>It bloated more than 200% so I could barely recognize the essential
statements; and it introduced more than 14,000 errors.

Wow! That has to be a new world's record!
I don't know how about 557 KB for a site with two sort paragraphs and
one 17 KB background image! I think my "MS Publisher Web Guru" is at it
again with a new site...

http://www.eclipseibizans.com/
http://validator.w3.org/check?verbos...ibizans.com%2F
Result for http://www.eclipseibizans.com/ - W3C Markup Validator

Not quite 14,000 but 807 errors is a pretty large number.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
Jul 19 '07 #3
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>Wow! That has to be a new world's record!

I don't know how about 557 KB for a site with two sort paragraphs and
one 17 KB background image! I think my "MS Publisher Web Guru" is at
it again with a new site...

http://www.eclipseibizans.com/
Oh. My. &deity;.

If ever there was an example as to why Publisher is Number 1 on the
list, there it is. Though I will have to give her *some* credit: at
least this one actually displays something in Firefox or Opera...

Run her "Photograph y" page through the Web Optimizer. Over 4 Megabytes
for a few un-optimized graphics.

This woman needs a house call.

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck
Jul 19 '07 #4
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Trish wrote:
>I just had a bad experience using MS Word as an HTML editor.
It bloated more than 200%
it introduced more than 14,000 errors.

Wow! That has to be a new world's record!
Are you referring to the amount of bloat, or the number of errors?
14K errors does sound like a record, but I've seen much worse bloat than
that.

I have a 205K HTML file from Publisher that was rewritten to about 6K,
but my favorite was a 9K email generated by Word for a 100 character
message. :)

--
Berg
Jul 19 '07 #5
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>
I don't know how about 557 KB for a site with two sort paragraphs and
one 17 KB background image! I think my "MS Publisher Web Guru" is at it
again with a new site...

http://www.eclipseibizans.com/
Awesome. Puts my measly 205K Publisher generated page to shame, but then
a lot of the content in my page was in graphics rather than text. :)

--
Berg
Jul 19 '07 #6
Bergamot wrote:
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>Trish wrote:
>>I just had a bad experience using MS Word as an HTML editor. It
bloated more than 200% it introduced more than 14,000 errors.

Wow! That has to be a new world's record!

Are you referring to the amount of bloat, or the number of errors?
Was referring to the number of errors. Word won't win the Bloat Game;
that's reserved for MS Publisher. <g>
14K errors does sound like a record, but I've seen much worse bloat
than that.
I seem to remember the worst I personally saw at the Validator was
somewhere around three-and-half-thousand on a page.
I have a 205K HTML file from Publisher that was rewritten to about 6K,
I have Pub 97 on the old Winbox, and had experimented with it producing
HTML. Relatively speaking, it wasn't too bad for bloat. It does seem,
however, that the more/most recent versions have gone to Bloat Hell.
but my favorite was a 9K email generated by Word for a 100 character
message. :)
That too ... <g>

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck
Jul 19 '07 #7
In article
<GN************ *********@bgtns c04-news.ops.worldn et.att.net>,
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.*********@ex ample.invalidwr ote:
Bergamot wrote:
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Trish wrote:
I just had a bad experience using MS Word as an HTML editor. It
bloated more than 200% it introduced more than 14,000 errors.

Wow! That has to be a new world's record!
Are you referring to the amount of bloat, or the number of errors?

Was referring to the number of errors. Word won't win the Bloat Game;
that's reserved for MS Publisher. <g>
14K errors does sound like a record, but I've seen much worse bloat
than that.

I seem to remember the worst I personally saw at the Validator was
somewhere around three-and-half-thousand on a page.
Nahh. I had something like 5400 for my first go at the validator - but
got it down to zero after about 4 hours.
Jul 19 '07 #8
Tim Streater wrote:
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>I seem to remember the worst I personally saw at the Validator was
somewhere around three-and-half-thousand on a page.

Nahh. I had something like 5400 for my first go at the validator -
Har! Was it a Publisher page? Word? It is hard to envision (for those
who hand-code) what could be so wrong with a page that causes three- and
four-digit error counts.
but got it down to zero after about 4 hours.
You knew what you were doing, or you dumped your WYSIWYG app. :-)

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck
Jul 19 '07 #9
In article <Xg************ ********@bgtnsc 05-news.ops.worldn et.att.net>,
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.*********@ex ample.invalidwr ote:
Tim Streater wrote:
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
I seem to remember the worst I personally saw at the Validator was
somewhere around three-and-half-thousand on a page.
Nahh. I had something like 5400 for my first go at the validator -

Har! Was it a Publisher page? Word? It is hard to envision (for those
who hand-code) what could be so wrong with a page that causes three- and
four-digit error counts.
but got it down to zero after about 4 hours.

You knew what you were doing, or you dumped your WYSIWYG app. :-)
:-)

No, it was quite a long page generated using PHP reading data from our
mysql database. The data is tabular, so I use tables. I validated
against strict so there were a number of things I was unaware of, but
the validator was quite good in giving hints.

Really, this page needs to be redone with tabs or something since there
are some 20 tables with many rows and columns, but I haven't got a round
tuit yet, so I can't.

The whole exercise was quite instructive and I learnt a lot (had to
consult our webmaster on some points), and improved the look by using
more css. It pushed me towards referencing my new(ish) css/html book
more, which I had been avoiding in favour of a rather older book,
because the type is smaller.

What's interesting is that even if I tidy up all the 200 or so existing
pages, I'm gonna have to use strict, transitional, and frameset if I
want the validator to be happy.
Jul 19 '07 #10

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