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Howdy,

I've started back afte a very long time of working with web pages for
an organization that I am affiliated with (personally not
professionally) . Seeing that technology has advanced a lot since the
last time I authored web pages (using vi), I am looking for a good,
"free" WYSIWYG HTML Editor.

Now, before ya go and hit the reply key, I've already tinkered with
"amaya" which was pretty cool and then I moved to "Nvu", which I like
but I wish would handle frames. For some reason it has trouble with
them.

Having said that, the only other thing would be that I would like it to
run on my MacBook.

Thanks in advance,

Pete

Feb 14 '07 #1
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prt7u wrote:
but I wish would handle frames. For some reason it has trouble with
them.
Maybe that is a Good Thingâ„¢. <g>

You've probably seen this page before...
<http://www.html-faq.com/htmlframes/?FramesAreEvil>

Sorry, can't help you with a WYSIWYDG. I use a text editor.

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck
Feb 14 '07 #2
In our last episode, <eq**********@m urdoch.acc.Virg inia.EDU>, the lovely and
talented prt7u broadcast on comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html:
Howdy,
I've started back afte a very long time of working with web pages for
an organization that I am affiliated with (personally not
professionally) . Seeing that technology has advanced a lot since the
last time I authored web pages (using vi), I am looking for a good,
"free" WYSIWYG HTML Editor.
This used to be a frequently asked question. The answer is that there
cannot be any such thing. If you scan the subject headers in this group you
will see many of the sort "Looks good in Firefox, but wrong in IE." What
your documents in a browser depends upon the rendering engine of the
browser, which is why a WYSIWYG editor is impossible: it cannot know what
brower(s) will be used to view the document (and that does not even take
into account things like color which depend not only on the browser, but
also upon the hardware and hardware adjusments. Moreover, the "what you
see" should be adjusted in CSS, not HTML --- and no, there isn't a WYSISWYG
CSS editor either.
Now, before ya go and hit the reply key, I've already tinkered with
"amaya" which was pretty cool and then I moved to "Nvu", which I like
but I wish would handle frames. For some reason it has trouble with
them.
The numerous reasons that frames are a bad idea are also frequent answers to
questions.
Having said that, the only other thing would be that I would like it to
run on my MacBook.
Thanks in advance,
Pete
--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/ <http://myspace.com/larseighner>
Countdown: 705 days to go.
Feb 14 '07 #3
In article <eq**********@m urdoch.acc.Virg inia.EDU>,
prt7u <pr***@Virginia .EDUwrote:
Howdy,

I've started back afte a very long time of working with web pages for
an organization that I am affiliated with (personally not
professionally) . Seeing that technology has advanced a lot since the
last time I authored web pages (using vi), I am looking for a good,
"free" WYSIWYG HTML Editor.

Now, before ya go and hit the reply key, I've already tinkered with
"amaya" which was pretty cool and then I moved to "Nvu", which I like
but I wish would handle frames. For some reason it has trouble with
them.
It's not alone; I have trouble with frames too!

Having said that, the only other thing would be that I would like it to
run on my MacBook.
Not to be a smart-ass, but I think you're more likely to find the Tooth
Fairy than a WYSIWYG HTML editors. WYSIWYG works for print layout but
it's a false promise for HTML.

Good, free non-WYSIWYG editors for the Mac that I've tried:
TextWrangler, jEdit (a little clunkier, but cross platform, make sure
you get the XML plugin to get nice HTML features) and Komodo Edit.

--
Philip
http://NikitaTheSpider.com/
Whole-site HTML validation, link checking and more
Feb 14 '07 #4
Lars Eighner schrieb:
>I am looking for a good,
"free" WYSIWYG HTML Editor.

This used to be a frequently asked question. The answer is that there
cannot be any such thing.
That's true.
We better talk about the only reasonable type of html-editor for human
authors:
WYSIWY*M*

Or do you like to edit data tables in your texteditor?
Or are you as fast in editing data tables in a texteditor as in a
WYSIWYM editor?
Or do you never edit data tables by hand?

But a data table is only the most obvious markup, for which a
texteditor is a poor tool.
A texteditor annoys an author with letting him view unneccessary
things - in standard situations (=standard markup).
In non-standard situations, of course, a texteditor is a must.

But well. That topic isn't one, which is traditionally discussed
unprejudiced. ;)

Andreas
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Feb 15 '07 #5
Andreas Borutta wrote:
Or do you like to edit data tables in your texteditor?
Of course not. I edit them in my script. Usually a few lines of code
(PHP in my case) to display an entire data table.
Or are you as fast in editing data tables in a texteditor as in a
WYSIWYM editor?
Can't really answer that one, as I don't use a WYSIWYTYW.
Or do you never edit data tables by hand?
No. The data comes from the database. Why edit it by hand? Write one
recursive loop in a script, and output all the HTML from there.

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck
Feb 15 '07 #6
In our last episode, <1d************ ***@borumat.de> , the lovely and talented
Andreas Borutta broadcast on comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html:
Lars Eighner schrieb:
>>I am looking for a good,
"free" WYSIWYG HTML Editor.

This used to be a frequently asked question. The answer is that there
cannot be any such thing.
That's true.
We better talk about the only reasonable type of html-editor for human
authors:
WYSIWY*M*
Or do you like to edit data tables in your texteditor?
For the most part, I edit data in a database and php (re)creates the tables
faster than I could in any kind of editor.
Or are you as fast in editing data tables in a texteditor as in a
WYSIWYM editor?
I'm sure I am. Why in the world would one editor be any faster than the
other.
Or do you never edit data tables by hand?
Seldom. But if the html were ever too messy to read, I;d get my editor to
pipe it through tidy.
But a data table is only the most obvious markup, for which a
texteditor is a poor tool.
A texteditor annoys an author with letting him view unneccessary
things - in standard situations (=standard markup).
On the contrary, it makes it clear to the author what, exactly, he is
writing. How do you enter a copyright symbol in a so-called WYSIWYG
editor? Well, you go up to the menu, pull down something, hunt through
a table of characters, etc. In my text editor, it's Meta-aOc. An
eacute? Meta-ae'. It's Meta-a + how you would compose the character
with a typewriter: cent sign Meta-ac/. What could be easier?
In non-standard situations, of course, a texteditor is a must.
But well. That topic isn't one, which is traditionally discussed
unprejudiced. ;)
Andreas
--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/ <http://myspace.com/larseighner>
Countdown: 705 days to go.
Feb 15 '07 #7
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:14:54 -0500, Nikita the Spider
<Ni************ *@gmail.comwrot e:
>Not to be a smart-ass, but I think you're more likely to find the Tooth
Fairy than a WYSIWYG HTML editors. WYSIWYG works for print layout but
it's a false promise for HTML.
True, simply because there is no single "WYG" on the web. "What you
get" is not one thing but may appear in many different ways which the
web page has no control over. "WYG" is particular to the computer,
monitor, and browser which uses the page, not to mention the viewport
size of the browser being used. So the search for a "wysiwyg" web
editor is a futility. The Web is *not* paper.

Feb 15 '07 #8
In article
<Ni************ *************** ********@news-server.nc.rr.co m>,
Nikita the Spider <Ni************ *@gmail.comwrot e:
In article <eq**********@m urdoch.acc.Virg inia.EDU>,
prt7u <pr***@Virginia .EDUwrote:
I am looking for a good, "free" WYSIWYG HTML Editor.

Now, before ya go and hit the reply key, I've already tinkered with
"amaya" which was pretty cool and then I moved to "Nvu", which I like
but I wish would handle frames. For some reason it has trouble with
them.

It's not alone; I have trouble with frames too!
I thought everyone had trouble with frames?
Having said that, the only other thing would be that I would like it to
run on my MacBook.

Not to be a smart-ass, but I think you're more likely to find the Tooth
Fairy than a WYSIWYG HTML editors. WYSIWYG works for print layout but
it's a false promise for HTML.

Good, free non-WYSIWYG editors for the Mac that I've tried:
TextWrangler, jEdit (a little clunkier, but cross platform, make sure
you get the XML plugin to get nice HTML features) and Komodo Edit.
I like Peter Borg's free and open source Smultron for the Mac.
http://smultron.sourceforge.net/ It has similar features to the
excellent Text Wrangler, but feels much more like a new Mac application.
Projects and a decent multifile search and replace in it help you with
HTML sites with many common sections between pages (instead of using
frames perhaps).

For the CSS, I like StyleMaster http://westciv.com/style_master/ as it
gives you a reasonable idea of what the web page will look like after
styling. It also flags some problems with different browsers, to make
cross browser styling easier.

--
http://www.ericlindsay.com
Feb 15 '07 #9
Lars Eighner schrieb:
>Or do you like to edit data tables in your texteditor?

For the most part, I edit data in a database and php (re)creates the tables
faster than I could in any kind of editor.
Of course that is the appropriate way for huge data tables, which
takes all or some of its contents of a database, which is may be
connected with other databases etc.

But for a quick and non-complex data table inside a usual document
wich consists of a mixture of text, pictures and - here and there - a
data table, IMHO using a database is "to break a butterfly on a
wheel".
And more precisely:
It takes the time of the author. He needs more time as if he does not
have to change his editor.
>Or are you as fast in editing data tables in a texteditor as in a
WYSIWYM editor?

I'm sure I am. Why in the world would one editor be any faster than the
other.
I asked "are you as...".
I meant the "team" of a user and his tool, of course.
Not the tool alone.
>Or do you never edit data tables by hand?

Seldom.
I heard that often from people who thinks WYSIWYM is useless.

And it makes sense from that point of view. But to talk about the
whole one has to look deeper into the needs of other usergroups and
other usecases.
But if the html were ever too messy to read, I;d get my editor to
pipe it through tidy.
That does not solve it.
A linearised view of a table in HTML sourcecode could never be as
readable as a graphic view of the same table.
For a human editor.
>But a data table is only the most obvious markup, for which a
texteditor is a poor tool.
A texteditor annoys an author with letting him view unneccessary
things - in standard situations (=standard markup).

On the contrary, it makes it clear to the author what, exactly, he is
writing. How do you enter a copyright symbol in a so-called WYSIWYG
editor? Well, you go up to the menu, pull down something, hunt through
a table of characters, etc. In my text editor, it's Meta-aOc. An
eacute? Meta-ae'.
Of course I use the keyboard to enter Characters.
For all frequently used characters I define a little hotstring, which
is BTW a lot easier to type.
Example "---" which gets replaced on the fly by a dash.

I know that many users of WYSIWYM editors are clicking around in
boring menus instead of using efficient keyboard functions.
But that the fault of them and not of the type of the editor.

Andreas
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