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What is the purpose of basing your site on a server technology such as
ASP, PHP, JSP, et al?

My company's web provider bases our two sites on ASP and JSP
respectively. One effect I notice is that it makes it almost impossible
for our own people to put content onto our sites directly.
Jul 24 '05 #1
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towlersimon wrote:
What is the purpose of basing your site on a server technology such as
ASP, PHP, JSP, et al?
Its rather difficult to process user input without such a technology.
My company's web provider bases our two sites on ASP and JSP
respectively. One effect I notice is that it makes it almost impossible
for our own people to put content onto our sites directly.


Then you need a better content management system and/or better written
server side scripts.

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David Dorward <http://blog.dorward.me .uk/> <http://dorward.me.uk/>
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Jul 24 '05 #2
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, towlersimon wrote:
What is the purpose of basing your site on a server technology such as
ASP, PHP, JSP, et al?
Erm, "42".
My company's web provider bases our two sites on ASP and JSP
respectively. One effect I notice is that it makes it almost
impossible for our own people to put content onto our sites
directly.


The key technique in solving a complex problem seems to me to be
partitioning the problem. You've given no indication yet of being
able to do it.

There's no Earthly reason why server-side processing should not be
able to access material provided by your "own people". But first you
probably need to define the requirement.
Jul 24 '05 #3
Databases...

Being able (from the users perspective) to enter in data, then come back a
week later and edit that data (and in some cases, see data others have
entered), no matter what you have cleared from your local system.

Being able to connect directly with information in another database on the
other side of the country... the world.

It's only 'impossible' because you are not familiar or comfortable with the
code that does the above. I work for state government, and have been in
contact with many people that just because someone loaded Front Page on
their computer, think they can do web development. Of these people, 90% of
them (in my case) should not be allowed access to a web server. I know that
sounds harsh, but it is true. There have been countless times that I have
had to bail someone out, and the trip to their office (across the street)
took longer than fixing the problem.

Find someone either inside, or outside your organization that *really*
understands web development, and cut the others loose.

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"towlersimo n" <to*********@ho tmail.com> wrote in message
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What is the purpose of basing your site on a server technology such as
ASP, PHP, JSP, et al?

My company's web provider bases our two sites on ASP and JSP
respectively. One effect I notice is that it makes it almost impossible
for our own people to put content onto our sites directly.

Jul 24 '05 #4
"SamMan" <sa*@psfdevri p-it.com> wrote in message
news:im******** ********@tornad o.rdc-kc.rr.com...
Databases...

snip...


Sorry for the top-post...

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Jul 24 '05 #5
towlersimon wrote:
What is the purpose of basing your site on a server technology such as
ASP, PHP, JSP, et al?

My company's web provider bases our two sites on ASP and JSP
respectively. One effect I notice is that it makes it almost impossible
for our own people to put content onto our sites directly.


it should actually make it easier to add/change/maintain content on your
site.
Jul 24 '05 #6
Alan J. Flavell <fl*****@ph.gla .ac.uk> wrote:
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, towlersimon wrote:
What is the purpose of basing your site on a server technology such as
ASP, PHP, JSP, et al?


Erm, "42".
My company's web provider bases our two sites on ASP and JSP
respectively. One effect I notice is that it makes it almost
impossible for our own people to put content onto our sites
directly.


The key technique in solving a complex problem seems to me to be
partitioning the problem. You've given no indication yet of being
able to do it.

There's no Earthly reason why server-side processing should not be
able to access material provided by your "own people". But first you
probably need to define the requirement.


The initial problem I'm trying to overcome here is my own ignorance. I
don't know what the rationale for server technologies is.

My colleagues and I prepare home page and supplementary material and ask
our web provider to upload it to our sites. However, because the sites
use ASP and JSP we cannot make our own links using simple html hrefs. We
have to ask our web provider to add the links for us. This takes time
and we usually have to accept a compromise between the result we asked
for and the result we are actually given!

I have a real feeling that one of the reasons for imposing the tyranny
of a server technology on us is to lock us out of our own site!

However, since I don't know the underlying rationale for server
technologies in the first place, I can't even begin to approach solving
this problem.

I hope this is clearer!
Jul 24 '05 #7
SamMan <sa*@psfdevri p-it.com> wrote:
Databases...

Being able (from the users perspective) to enter in data, then come back a
week later and edit that data (and in some cases, see data others have
entered), no matter what you have cleared from your local system.

Being able to connect directly with information in another database on the
other side of the country... the world.

It's only 'impossible' because you are not familiar or comfortable with the
code that does the above. I work for state government, and have been in
contact with many people that just because someone loaded Front Page on
their computer, think they can do web development. Of these people, 90% of
them (in my case) should not be allowed access to a web server. I know that
sounds harsh, but it is true. There have been countless times that I have
had to bail someone out, and the trip to their office (across the street)
took longer than fixing the problem.

Find someone either inside, or outside your organization that *really*
understands web development, and cut the others loose.


We're a small company. The people we rely on to really understand web
development are our contracted web provider.

It's true, neither I nor my colleagues are familiar with ASP and JSP
code.

But, for example, if we need to make a simple link from a graphic on our
home page to a product page on our ASP based web site, shouldn't we be
able to do that using a simple URL?

What are the advantages of using a server technology?
Jul 24 '05 #8
Martin! <m.*******@gmai l.komkommer> wrote:
towlersimon wrote:
What is the purpose of basing your site on a server technology such as
ASP, PHP, JSP, et al?

My company's web provider bases our two sites on ASP and JSP
respectively. One effect I notice is that it makes it almost impossible
for our own people to put content onto our sites directly.


it should actually make it easier to add/change/maintain content on your
site.


Okay, but how?

Imagine I'm somebody who doesn't know anything about web development.
How would you explain to me why my organization needs to use a server
technology as the basis of its shopping site?
Jul 24 '05 #9
towlersimon wrote:
Imagine I'm somebody who doesn't know anything about web development.
How would you explain to me why my organization needs to use a server
technology as the basis of its shopping site?


Think about it: if your shopping site's code was all client side, how
would you stop a malicious individual from changing the code which is
running on their computer so that it doesn't charge for the products
they're buying?
Jul 24 '05 #10

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