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I am not sure if I am putting this question correctly, and if it is
the right place to ask it, but here it goes:

Is it correct standards-wise to say about a site:

"For PCs this software works best with Internet Explorer
6.02 or later and Netscape 7.1 or later. For MAC OS 10.3.1 or higher
use MAC Netscape 7.1 or MAC Safari 1.2.1 (1.25.1). For Linux use
Netscape 7.1."

Considering that this is the page of a public institution... Would
you find that a page that says the quote above can claim to be
following some agreed upon standards?
Thank for you comments.

Geo

PS: The page in question is //catalogue.calga rypubliclibrary .com/

Jul 23 '05 #1
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"GEO" Me@home.here wrote:
I am not sure if I am putting this question correctly, and if it is
the right place to ask it, but here it goes:

Is it correct standards-wise to say about a site:

"For PCs this software works best with Internet Explorer 6.02 or
later and Netscape 7.1 or later. For MAC OS 10.3.1 or higher use
MAC Netscape 7.1 or MAC Safari 1.2.1 (1.25.1). For Linux use
Netscape 7.1."
I would not ever put a "works best" statement on my pages. Why?
Because they work in *all* browsers... PDAs... mobile phones...
Considering that this is the page of a public institution... Would
you find that a page that says the quote above can claim to be
following some agreed upon standards?
Ahem. You must first code to some standards.

<http://validator.w3.or g/check?verbose=1 &uri=http%3A//catalogue.calga rypubliclibrary .com/>

That page has 201 errors on it. Begin there.
Thank for you comments.

Geo

PS: The page in question is //catalogue.calga rypubliclibrary .com/


To make that a clickable link so we don't have to copy and paste:
<http://catalogue.calga rypubliclibrary .com/>

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Jul 23 '05 #2
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.*********@ex ample.invalid> wrote:
I would not ever put a "works best" statement on my pages. Why?
Because they work in *all* browsers


Well, yes, but "works best" or "optimized for" _really_ stands for
'we only looked at the pages on'.

--
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
Pages about Web authoring: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www.html

Jul 23 '05 #3
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 04:56:03 GMT, "GEO" Me@home.here wrote:
Is it correct standards-wise to say about a site:
No.
Considering that this is the page of a public institution...
Who are frequently the worst offenders, but react pompously and
defensively if challenged, rather than cheerfully and ignorantly as
the Flashbunnies do.
Would
you find that a page that says the quote above can claim to be
following some agreed upon standards?


No, quite the opposite. In fact it says "We don't follow standards,
but we looked at it afterwards and in these browsers it wasn't
completely b0rken"

Jul 23 '05 #4
"GEO" Me@home.here wrote:
Is it correct standards-wise to say about a site:
http://catalogue.calgarypubliclibrary.com/
"For PCs this software works best with Internet Explorer
6.02 or later and Netscape 7.1 or later. For MAC OS 10.3.1 or higher
use MAC Netscape 7.1 or MAC Safari 1.2.1 (1.25.1). For Linux use
Netscape 7.1."

Considering that this is the page of a public institution... Would
you find that a page that says the quote above can claim to be
following some agreed upon standards?


Absolutely not. This has nothing to do with "standards" of any kind.
It's a short list of "some frequently used browsers", nothing more.

And most users have no idea which browser they're using; they just
"klick on that desktop icon to get on the internet". So the message will
only confuse them.
Matthias
--
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http://www.blog.ch/
Bloggertreffen 19.03.2005 in Basel:
http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/ale...ertreffen_2005

Jul 23 '05 #5
"GEO" Me@home.here wrote:
Is it correct standards-wise to say about a site:

"For PCs this software works best with Internet Explorer
6.02 or later and Netscape 7.1 or later. For MAC OS 10.3.1 or higher
use MAC Netscape 7.1 or MAC Safari 1.2.1 (1.25.1). For Linux use
Netscape 7.1."


You forgot all about Firefox, Mozilla, Opera (for PC, Handhelds and
Voice), Konqueror, OmniWeb, iCap, Lynx, Mozaic, Amaya, AtomNet, Beonex,
Cyberdoc, Home Page Reader, JAWS, NetCaptor, Voyager, WebExplorer, WebTV
and a few hundred others that I couldn't be bothered listing.

http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/

--
Lachlan Hunt
http://lachy.id.au/
http://GetFirefox.com/ Rediscover the Web
http://SpreadFirefox.com/ Igniting the Web
Jul 23 '05 #6
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, it was written:
Is it correct standards-wise to say about a site:

"For PCs this software works best with Internet Explorer
6.02 or later and Netscape 7.1 or later. For MAC OS 10.3.1 or higher
use MAC Netscape 7.1 or MAC Safari 1.2.1 (1.25.1). For Linux use
Netscape 7.1."
My first hunch was that it meant "we extruded this with \name of
expensive package\ and here's what the vendor says the package
supports". But a search with Google suggests that the above
excuse text is rather specific to this one site. So I guess I was
wrong. The product seems to be http://www.dynix.com/products/hip/
and they can't even get their own CSS right, though it's not as bad
as the library's version.

Oh dear, a "portal". My heart sinks when I stumble on that phrase.
But I digress...

Indications are that the company has jumped on the
XHTML-served-as-HTML bandwagon without bothering to understand
Appendix C. I'm guessing that the library portal pre-dates that
piece of nonsense.
Considering that this is the page of a public institution... Would
you find that a page that says the quote above can claim to be
following some agreed upon standards?
Well, it contains gratuitously defective CSS. It contains no DOCTYPE,
which (whether I like that circus with quirks mode or not) means it's
likely to work better with old, defective browsers than with new,
specification-conforming ones (if you see what I mean). And, even
if generously assumed to be HTML/4.01 transitional, it contains
gratuitously defective HTML, and fails even the simplest of
accessibility guidelines.

Lynx also says that its cookie is illegal, as well as its HTML.

[spacer.gif]
Click here to Sign In Sign In View my List of Titles My List - 0 Help
Help
[spacer.gif]
[tab_lt.gif] [spacer.gif] [tab_rt.gif]
[spacer.gif]
[spacer.gif] Find [spacer.gif]
[spacer.gif]
[tab_lb.gif] [spacer.gif] [tab_rb.gif]
[NW0-blue.gif] [spacer.gif] [NE0-blue.gif]
[spacer.gif]
[spacer.gif] My Account [spacer.gif]
[spacer.gif]
[spacer.gif] [spacer.gif] [spacer.gif]
[NW0-blue.gif] [spacer.gif] [NE0-blue.gif]
[spacer.gif]
[spacer.gif] Top Topics [spacer.gif]
[spacer.gif]
[spacer.gif] [spacer.gif] [spacer.gif]
[NW0-blue.gif] [spacer.gif] [NE0-blue.gif]

pffffffffffffff ffft.
PS: The page in question is //catalogue.calga rypubliclibrary .com/


Jul 23 '05 #7
"" wrote in comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.html:
"For PCs this software works best with Internet Explorer
6.02 or later and Netscape 7.1 or later. For MAC OS 10.3.1 or higher
use MAC Netscape 7.1 or MAC Safari 1.2.1 (1.25.1). For Linux use
Netscape 7.1."

Considering that this is the page of a public institution... Would
you find that a page that says the quote above can claim to be
following some agreed upon standards?


No, this is a warning that the site is NOT following standards but
instead is coding to the bugs of particular browsers.

It is a sign that the "Web designer" has done a slipshod job, by
assuming that if it works ina couple of versions it's okay.

--

Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
Jul 23 '05 #8
"GEO" Me@home.here wrote:
I am not sure if I am putting this question correctly, and if it is
the right place to ask it, but here it goes:

Is it correct standards-wise to say about a site:

"For PCs this software works best with Internet Explorer
6.02 or later


I trust that you realize that there is no such thing as IE6.02. The
latest version is IE6.0.

Jul 23 '05 #9
This is why we hate spacer images...for those of us using Lynx.

Jul 23 '05 #10

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