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cleartype or not ?

does anyone know if WinXP by default uses 'Cleartype' or 'Standard'. i
noticed that using 'standard' all font-families (except sans-serif) are
NOT anti-aliassed, while with 'cleartype' everything is anti-aliassed.
This behaviour appears not to depend on the browser used.

i think this 'cleartype' thing was introduced with winxp, or was it
already included in older version of windows ??

gr
martin
Jul 21 '05 #1
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Martin! wrote:
does anyone know if WinXP by default uses 'Cleartype' or 'Standard'. i
noticed that using 'standard' all font-families (except sans-serif) are
NOT anti-aliassed, while with 'cleartype' everything is anti-aliassed.
This behaviour appears not to depend on the browser used.

i think this 'cleartype' thing was introduced with winxp, or was it
already included in older version of windows ??


Cleartype appeared with XP. On my PC, Cleartype was not enabled by
default: I had to enable it, and when I did, I REALLY noticed the
difference.
Jul 21 '05 #2
> Cleartype appeared with XP. On my PC, Cleartype was not enabled by
default: I had to enable it, and when I did, I REALLY noticed the
difference.


My experience is similar: never seen a system with it enabled by default.

It raises a question: should designers assume CT is on or off when they
select fonts and font sizes? I know users can control both (if the CSS is
done right), but I'm always concerned when I'm seeing things differently
than other people. Since using XP and CT, I think I gravitate towards
smaller fonts, which maybe not be best for web designers.

On the Macintosh, it seems fonts are smoothed by default...web pages for
that reason look quite different on the Mac than Windows (well, OK, for
other reasons as well, but I'm just thinking of text here).
Jul 21 '05 #3
Dana Cartwright wrote:
Cleartype appeared with XP. On my PC, Cleartype was not enabled by
default: I had to enable it, and when I did, I REALLY noticed the
difference.


My experience is similar: never seen a system with it enabled by default.

It raises a question: should designers assume CT is on or off when they
select fonts and font sizes? I know users can control both (if the CSS is
done right), but I'm always concerned when I'm seeing things differently
than other people. Since using XP and CT, I think I gravitate towards
smaller fonts, which maybe not be best for web designers.

On the Macintosh, it seems fonts are smoothed by default...web pages for
that reason look quite different on the Mac than Windows (well, OK, for
other reasons as well, but I'm just thinking of text here).


Older versions of Windows have a font smoothing option.

As for what designers should assume: in my case, enabling Cleartype did
not affect how I specify font families and font sizes; it only made it
easier for me to read text.

Jul 21 '05 #4
As for what designers should assume: in my case, enabling Cleartype did
not affect how I specify font families and font sizes; it only made it
easier for me to read text.


i was simply wondering if i should make text-images or use plain text. i
really dont like to make text-images but for titles and logos it is
still very often used.
Jul 21 '05 #5
"Dana Cartwright" wrote in
comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets:
It raises a question: should designers assume CT is on or off when they
select fonts and font sizes?


Perhaps a better question is whether designers should select fonts
and sizes. (Hint: the answer is no. RELATIVE sizes in % or em,
yes; absolute sizes in px or pt, no.)

--

Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
Jul 21 '05 #6
"Martin!" <m.*******@gmai l.comcomcommer> wrote in message
news:d3******** **@news.hispeed .ch...

i was simply wondering if i should make text-images or use plain text. i
really dont like to make text-images but for titles and logos it is still
very often used.


For me, it's a decision that rests with the person who's paying for the
website.

For my own work, I avoid using text in images. For all the reasons that
have been spelled out in this group.

But once I explain the issues to my client, it's their call. It's their
website. It's my job to create a website the way the client wants it, not
the way I want it.

So who's paying for your website?
Jul 21 '05 #7
"Stan Brown" <th************ @fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:3b******** *****@individua l.net...
"Dana Cartwright" wrote in
comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets:
It raises a question: should designers assume CT is on or off when they
select fonts and font sizes?


Perhaps a better question is whether designers should select fonts
and sizes. (Hint: the answer is no. RELATIVE sizes in % or em,
yes; absolute sizes in px or pt, no.)


I think you're letting political correctness get in the way of reasoning.

Setting the font size in % or em is still setting the font size. It's
"kinder, gentler" because users can more easily override it, but it's still
setting the font size.

Let me rephrase my question:

Suppose I have cleartype turn off, and I generally design pages with
text-size:90%, just because to my eye that looks about right.

Now, I turn cleartype on, and I find myself more often specifying 80% for
the text size, because the page looks clearer to me.

If most people are running their machines with cleartype turned off (because
that's the default), then it's bad that I'm using 80%. I should stick with
90%, even though on my development machine 90% looks bigger than it needs to
be.

So should the rule be "since most people have cleartype turned off by
default, web designers should consider how their pages look with it turned
off, rather than on, because that's how most people see it". And of course
you have the usual struggle with how you measure how many people have
cleartype on versus off.
Jul 21 '05 #8
Dana Cartwright wrote:
"Stan Brown" <th************ @fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:3b******** *****@individua l.net...
"Dana Cartwright" wrote in
comp.infosystem s.www.authoring.stylesheets:
It raises a question: should designers assume CT is on or off
when they select fonts and font sizes?

Should designers assume all visitors are using Windows XP?
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/ClearTypeInfo.mspx
Perhaps a better question is whether designers should select
fonts and sizes. (Hint: the answer is no. RELATIVE sizes in % or
em, yes; absolute sizes in px or pt, no.)
I think you're letting political correctness get in the way of
reasoning.

Setting the font size in % or em is still setting the font size.
It's "kinder, gentler" because users can more easily override it,
but it's still setting the font size.


Setting no font size is actually better, but one common browser has
bugs if none is specified; therefore it is better to overcome that bug
by setting it to 100%. Name that browser. <g>
Let me rephrase my question:

Suppose I have cleartype turn off, and I generally design pages
with text-size:90%, just because to my eye that looks about right.
Your eyes may be in better shape than some of your visitors.
Now, I turn cleartype on, and I find myself more often specifying
80% for the text size, because the page looks clearer to me.
I probably wouldn't be able to read it. If your site was truly worthy,
I might click that Disable Author Font checkbox on my toolbar, or I
might just go to another site that I can read.
If most people are running their machines with cleartype turned off
(because that's the default), then it's bad that I'm using 80%. I
should stick with 90%, even though on my development machine 90%
looks bigger than it needs to be.
No, you should stick with the "visitor's default" which is 100%.
So should the rule be "since most people have cleartype turned off
by default, web designers should consider how their pages look with
it turned off, rather than on, because that's how most people see
it". And of course you have the usual struggle with how you
measure how many people have cleartype on versus off.


Is cleartype available for Linux users, Mac users, PDA users ...

--
-bts
-This space intentionally left blank.
Jul 21 '05 #9
"Dana Cartwright" <da******@weave maker.com> wrote:
Suppose I have cleartype turn off, and I generally design pages with
text-size:90%, just because to my eye that looks about right.


Do you design the pages for yourself only? There are quite some "I"s
and "me"s in this sentence. If not, then how is this relevant?

Why don't you set the fontsize to 100% and make the default font size
in your browser smaller. Obviously, it is generally too big for your
taste.

Then you get the size you like, and anybody else get the size he wants
and it will be displayed best for everyone.

Bye,
Martin
Jul 21 '05 #10

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