Building a new OS - who wants to help?

[VACEPROGRAMER]

[b]Hi. I making a program who is don't let the system get down and protect from virus
It's controls a */dll and others files.

So if is posibly the programs run before the system is load
To start before the system is loadnig, you know when show the picture of Windows and the progressbar. By the way if you are using Vista(I use) it dont have picture of Vist it's have just a Progressbar

So if you know something abot that send me
DO YOU WANT TO GET IN MY TEAM
please REPORT

Vace

[Killer42]

I can move this thread to somewhere else if you (or the OP) wants. Where should I put it?

I've moved it to Software Development. I'll check with the Admins and see whether they agree.

[acoder]

VACE, Ali et. al.,

do you guys even know what an operating system is? Have a read (I think you fall under the category of hobbyists).

[YarrOfDoom]

I already read that one. Also the page about kernels I already read. The only problem for me to go on is the lack of knowledge of C++ (and assembly would come in handy to). But I'm starting to work on that.

Yarr

[Ali Rizwan]

VACE, Ali et. al.,

do you guys even know what an operating system is? Have a read (I think you fall under the category of hobbyists).

I don't know about VACE but i know about myself that i know what a OS is.
Because now days in our univ we are studying OS and doing work on C/C++ and after a month we will start working Assembly as well.
So i think we ll be able to make an OS of our own some day.
And i also know that this is a very difficult job. But those are also people like us who made other OS. SO cant we make an OS?
We need to be expert in C/C++ and Assembly as well in others and we will.

So thanx a lot for your link it ll helpful for us.

>> ALI <<

[Killer42]

I think the problem is that when, for example, Steve Wozniak created Apple DOS while on an intercity flight, an OS didn't need to do very much. (After all, who had ever seen one? You could throw together a "model T" OS and everyone would stand around gaping in awe.)

These days, the majority of people use things like Windows Vista and various Linux distributions, which have evolved over many years of work by people who (presumably) understand operating systems. So any OS you build now, to be of any use, would need to do a lot. To be taken at all seriously, it would need to be at least as good as the flakier of the Linux distros.

[sicarie]

I think we should bring back BeOS.

[YarrOfDoom]

To be taken at all seriously, it would need to be at least as good as the flakier of the Linux distros.

Well even if it doesn't work out, I'd bet we will have learned some new things.

[VACEPROGRAMER]

OK , look. If i want i will learn assymbler for 2 manth and i alredy start to learn C++ and for now is excelent. I don't know about you gays but i don't like Windows and Linux. I just want to make something that is good and the people will love to use. And it's enough for the BILL GAITS jacking whit OS. Is time for something good.

PS: I know what is OS (I'm 14 years and i'm expert in programming language. I have learn VB for 5 months in slow mode of learning and I'm a virus writer if you wnow)

Vace

[VACEPROGRAMER]

By the way YARR i don't know to use Chat. I don't think is problem to use a MSN.

VACE - virus

[YarrOfDoom]

I won't be on MSN anymore. I just don't need it anymore. It's has gone completely out of my habits. So if you need to tell me something, post here, or PM me.

PS: it's written "guys", not "gays", because that has a completely different meaning. :P

[VACEPROGRAMER]

Thanks for the correct and and don't know what is PM
PS:What is the meaning of "duys"

Vace

[YarrOfDoom]

Thanks for the correct and and don't know what is PM
PS:What is the meaning of "duys"
Vace

PM stands for "Private Message", it's build in in the forum, you just have click the person's username to go to his profile page, and then you can click on a link "send a private message to xxxx".
And "duys"? I don't know

[gits]

PM stands for "Private Message", it's build in in the forum, you just have click the person's username to go to his prifile page, and then you can click on a link "send a private message to xxxx".
And "duys"? I don't know

may be it would be 'days'? ... ;P

[YarrOfDoom]

Oh yeah, I won't be able to learn C++ or assembly withing the next month or 2, I have way too much to do for now :P. Just in case you wanted to start coding soon.

[Killer42]

I gotta say, Vace, I sure hope you apply a bit more care and precision to your programming than to your messages here. I'd expect better attention to detail from someone with any programming experience.

[acoder]

(I'm 14 years and i'm expert in programming language. I have learn VB for 5 months in slow mode of learning and I'm a virus writer if you wnow)

I hope you're joking here...

[YarrOfDoom]

I hope you're joking here...

I don't think he does...

[daniel aristidou]

I don't think he does...

I thinks that many years of experience are needed to make an os also .......since your ..14 i think it is impossible with the time you have to program it due to school

[VACEPROGRAMER]

Hi!!
Killer whats your name??? if I can now. And if enywnhone think tht i'm kedding i don't.I have 2 years expiriance in programing and I have make more than 700 programs. And I'm virus writer..... so .....

Vace

[VACEPROGRAMER]

In future I paln to build a new programming language.I don't know how will be the name but in programming structure will be same with Borland Pascal and Borland C++
/* Have a nice day*/
Vace

[VACEPROGRAMER]

Can somewhone tell me some adress for Borland C++ Kernels
Please hary!!!

Vace - virus

[YarrOfDoom]

You do know what a kernel is, do you?

[sicarie]

Hi!!
Killer whats your name??? if I can now. And if enywnhone think tht i'm kedding i don't.I have 2 years expiriance in programing and I have make more than 700 programs. And I'm virus writer..... so .....

Vace

Vace - nobody thinks you are kidding, however I believe some people might wonder if you have underestimated the time kernel development requires (how many iterations over how many years has the Linux kernel gone through?) .

Anyway, you asked for a link, so have you looked at kernel.org ?

PS - there are many people who believe that the number of programs you write do not make you a good programmer, rather a developer should be judged by the quality of the code they produce.

I personally do not think much of virus writers, mostly because it is easier to destroy than to create, and people can foil 99% of you by simply not using Windows.

[VACEPROGRAMER]

OK!!! More of the programs are for System controling and you can see what kind of program i plan to make. And you think virus writer arent good programmers. Maybe you just say that because you are afraid of virus , but thats your presonal looking of this.And I don't know wana BILL GAITS to control my computer with his stupid OS and I don't wana Linux.I just trying to make something free and very useful for people. AND WHILE I TRY TO MAKE SOMETHING USEFUL FOR THIS WORLD YOU JUST SAY TO ME I'M NOT DOOG PROGRAMMER.Whel thans to you very. I'm very "proud" of my Scripts friends.I try to use our programming skils for something good and you seys to me "I"M NOT GOOD PROGRAMMER" , "I DOT"KNOW WHAT IS KERNEL" , "DO I KNOW WHAT IS OS" - wll i know the ansver to all fo this question. I'm very angry and embarest of you. Thaks you again.

VACE

[VACEPROGRAMER]

I don't have see SyberSoftHarry for 3 months. Where is he??

vace

[sicarie]

Vace-

I did not say you were not a good programmer, I haven't seen your code - I have no idea how good a programmer you are. I said I don't believe most (not all, most) virus writers are very talented. That does not mean there aren't some out there who are. There are two systems that pop immediately to mind that are frameworks to deliver exploits that are coded very well. However, I do believe these to be the exception, rather than the rule.

You brought it up that you were a "virus writer" (on a site that has a declared policy against anything of the sort), and keep referencing yourself as one. I'm just saying, in the security field that gets you little to no credit. I'm hoping that soon you will break away from identifying yourself as one, and move on to "developer," or even "kernel developer" - I think that is not only a much more noble aspiration, but more legal and marketable as well ;).

And I never questioned your understanding of a kernel, I was attempting to re-interpret some of the concerns posted here - I think it would be great if you guys were able to create an OS, but to make one that will be able to compete with Windows and Linux, it will take several years, possibly several decades. If I questioned your understanding of a kernel, I would have linked you to howthingswork.com or something else giving a more basic view, rather than kernel.org which holds the development and the source for the Linux kernel.

You can take the early versions of Linux and use them as a bit of a guide - not only see where they were going, but see what features had to be added in, what the most common problems were, what the most common exploits were, how they structured their code, how they versioned it, things like that that will help you a great deal with creating your project plan and timeline rather than just jumping into "creating a kernel" without any sort of plan, or exact idea of where you are going. You are a programmer - you should know that you need a clear goal - good documentation, good pseudocode, and defined goals/modules.

I'm sorry if my post came off as condescending or attacking, I was just attempting to clarify what I thought the main issue would be that you would run into (the commitment of spending that much time in front of your IDE/debugger). I think this is a great project and wish you and your team the best.

[gits]

heya vace,

don't take it personal ... all what was said here is to help or guide you in the right direction ... as far as i can see ... nobody said that you CANNOT do it ... only pointing out some basic things that you should notice to get a better overview of the complexity that is associated with the development of an OS ... and at this point i wish you the best too with that project.

i'm even convinced that virus-writing is not a goal that good programmers should spend their time with :) ... since it does harm those people that are not aware of it and thus the wrong ones. i DO think that good programmers are kind of good hackers that should exploit the security issues that occur ... even with ms or linux or whatever application ... but not for destroying but for fixing it ... do you know what i mean? writing viruses seems to show a bad attitude while hacking a system and only showing that it is hackable is certainly a good thing since the system may be fixed now and thus it will be improved ...

best wishes to you and your team - vace ...

kind regards
gits

[VACEPROGRAMER]

OK. So you again attack me.It's OK.You need something to now. I spen all my time on computer.I don't go out at night , don't lisetn songs , don't wathc movies , don't whach any sport , don't play any sport, don't play games, I don't have a friend and you now why?? Because nobady thiks is usseful that you are programer.And do you know how I find www.scripts.com , I was searching how to turn of computer whit vb 06. And do you know why I won't buildit alone the new OS. Because I hate internate and Lan , Wan. So some OS without Internet isn't good. So I want to help mme but like I can see you don't wana helpme and you continuali attack me!!

Have a nice day

Vace

[YarrOfDoom]

We are not attacking you, Vace. We're just wondering why you talk like creating an OS is something you can do as easily as writing a simple calculator-program. And of course others are trying to make clear that writing virusses isn't something to be proud of, it's being proud of destroying other people's stuff.

[VACEPROGRAMER]

Thanks Yarr. Only you and Ali are my friend and you soport me.


Vace

[VACEPROGRAMER]

Yarr can you send to me some compaliers for *.exe for Linux. Please is very inportant

Vace

[sicarie]

Vace, what did I say that was attacking? I'm suggesting ways to help you develop your kernel.

Also, Linux programs are not exe files - but you can find several compilers by doing a Google search for "linux c++ compiler". I personally use gcc.

[VACEPROGRAMER]

I look for Windows compailer for Linux (I don't need- my professor need it)
Oh you don't attack me. I don't think so. You generaly attac me !!!!!!!!


Vace

[VACEPROGRAMER]

You attack me more than enywhone in the scripts.

Vace

[sicarie]

You attack me more than enywhone in the scripts.

Vace

What am I saying that is attacking? I never said you were a bad programmer, I said that I don't like virus programmers. That's it. I'm sorry you took it personally, but that's not a personal attack against you. If you hadn't noticed, I have been attempting to support you developing a kernel, trying to give you links and advice. I can stop if you want.

I haven't heard of any compilers that run on Windows and compile for Linux, though I suppose it's possible. I think the closest you are going to get is Cygwin - a Linux emulator for Windows. But there you will be compiling with gcc, but it's a Windows port, so you'll still have exe files (and these won't run on Linux machines, as they are .exe's).

[VACEPROGRAMER]

I don't wana stop.I'm just proud because the experts support me and thats for helping.So why we don't start whit building.It's have some problem??

Vace

[VACEPROGRAMER]

Have some codes for Borland Kernel????

Vace

[YarrOfDoom]

Yarr can you send to me some compaliers for *.exe for Linux. Please is very inportant
Vace

A windows compiler to create linux programs? Wouldn't it be better to get linux and run a linux compiler on it, you need linux anyway to test the programs you create.

Start building? Maybe we should gather a bit more information about coding so that you computer can use it without any usage of windows/linux/... resources.

And really, nobody is attacking you...

[VACEPROGRAMER]

No . . No . . No !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My professor want to use *. exe In Linux

Yarr get on MSN plese
now i'm online
Vace

[sicarie]

No . . No . . No !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My professor want to use *. exe In Linux

Yarr get on MSN plese
now i'm online
Vace

So WINE then? It's a Windows emulator for Linux. Though I hear it's a beast to set up...

[VACEPROGRAMER]

How can I get if excist??

vace

[sicarie]

How can I get if excist??

vace

Well, a Google search turned up Wine HQ for me.

[VACEPROGRAMER]

Ok thanks. Do you find some Borland Kernels

Vace

[sicarie]

Ok thanks. Do you find some Borland Kernels

Vace

Well, kernels are independent of compiler, but either way, I'm not a Windows guy, so I don't know much about Borland. Sorry.

As for kernels, I found this and this nifty Wikipedia page, you could use that to do some Google searching, see what you could find on all the different possible OSs listed.

[VACEPROGRAMER]

Do you know some free program that runs Windows programs on Linux Kubunty.

vace

[YarrOfDoom]

Well sicarie already said that Wine is a good program. But from my previous experiences with it, I tought you can't just put it on a USB-stick and give it to someone, you have to install it via the linux-console.

edit: wow, looks like sicarie and I posted almost exactly at the same time :P

[sicarie]

I'm guessing you meant Kubuntu (not with a y at the end), so I Googled it, and it looks like the first return is what you want.

[VACEPROGRAMER]

So Yarr can you send to me. If you don't send me I need to by
So send me faster

Vace

[YarrOfDoom]

Huh, send what? Wine? If you can't just put it on a stick, then mailing probably also won't help. Besides, sicarie gave a good link.

[VACEPROGRAMER]

But If I want to use I need to by. Send me wia MSN and i don't need to buy (its not for me it's for my professor)Please hary up

vace