Storing Japanese characters in UTF-8 database

[mike_dba]

I am having some data reject on an insert of Japanese characters to a
Varchar column in my DB2 UTF-8 database. I am trying to understand how
big to make the Varchar column for the inesert to work successfully for
all of my data. I would also like ot understand if Vargraphic is a
better approach and what ramifications that might have.

This data is sourced from UTF-8 Oracle (using byte semantics) which
defines a columns as
Varchar2(255). I had defined my DB2 columns Varchar(255) but the
insert rejects some rows.

I notice that for Oracle : if I apply the length function to a specific
column , I get a value of 8 for a specified key. However, for this
same key that sucecssfully loaded on the DB2 side, I get a length of
33. Sometimes, the length on the DB2 side is more than 5 times the
Oracle side. I do not understand how this can be.

Also, Can someone clarify how much storage DB2 allocates in bytes, for
the following (assume non-nullable) ? My assumptions are below -

CHAR(1) - assume 1 byte
CHAR(100) - assume 100 bytes
VARCHAR(1) - assume length + 1 byte = 2 bytes
VARCHAR(100) - assume lenght + 100 bytes = 101 bytes at most
VARGRAPHIC(100) - ?

Thank you in advance for your assistance.

[Mark A]

"mike_dba" <mi*************@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I am having some data reject on an insert of Japanese characters to a
Varchar column in my DB2 UTF-8 database. I am trying to understand how
big to make the Varchar column for the inesert to work successfully for
all of my data. I would also like ot understand if Vargraphic is a
better approach and what ramifications that might have.

This data is sourced from UTF-8 Oracle (using byte semantics) which
defines a columns as
Varchar2(255). I had defined my DB2 columns Varchar(255) but the
insert rejects some rows.

I notice that for Oracle : if I apply the length function to a specific
column , I get a value of 8 for a specified key. However, for this
same key that sucecssfully loaded on the DB2 side, I get a length of
33. Sometimes, the length on the DB2 side is more than 5 times the
Oracle side. I do not understand how this can be.

Also, Can someone clarify how much storage DB2 allocates in bytes, for
the following (assume non-nullable) ? My assumptions are below -

CHAR(1) - assume 1 byte
CHAR(100) - assume 100 bytes
VARCHAR(1) - assume length + 1 byte = 2 bytes
VARCHAR(100) - assume lenght + 100 bytes = 101 bytes at most
VARGRAPHIC(100) - ?

Thank you in advance for your assistance.

I would triple the size of the VARCHAR in DB2. You can go up to about 32K
(not quite) with VARCHAR in DB2.

DB2 uses 2 extra bytes for the length, but that does not reduce the amount
of space for the data. If it is nullable, it uses one additional byte.

[mike_dba]

Thank you for your response. The triple size will work in most cases.
However, we have noticed the following scenario -

I have a varchar(255) in Oracle. For a particular data item on Oracle,
I apply the Oracle function for length and get 86 character back. I
also apply the Oracle function for byte size and get back 238.

Inserting this same data into DB2 varchar(255) rejects. Inserting
into DB2 varchar(2000) works. DB2 length function returns 466 (this
should be bytes, correct ?). How could this be ?

[Phil Sherman]

I don't know how Oracle measures the length of a UTF-8 varchar field or
how it physically stores it but UDB stores UTF-8 data as 1-4 bytes for
each character. Characters in pictographic languages, especially
Japanese, Chinese, and other languages used in that part of the world,
are more often the longer three and four byte ones.

A varchar definition specifies the number of bytes, not the number of
characters to be stored. The data capacity of the column can't be
precisely determined because each character may occupy a different
number of bytes.

A single UTF-8 character occupies a maximum of four bytes. Specify a
varchar length four times the number of characters you expect to store
and you'll always have enough space. Unfortunately, this will NOT
prevent storing more characters than you want if each character is
shorter than the 4/character worst case.

Philip Sherman

mike_dba wrote:

Thank you for your response. The triple size will work in most cases.
However, we have noticed the following scenario -

I have a varchar(255) in Oracle. For a particular data item on Oracle,
I apply the Oracle function for length and get 86 character back. I
also apply the Oracle function for byte size and get back 238.

Inserting this same data into DB2 varchar(255) rejects. Inserting
into DB2 varchar(2000) works. DB2 length function returns 466 (this
should be bytes, correct ?). How could this be ?

[the_bandit]

Is there any way in which you can change the character semantics for
the field? In particular, I know in oracle you can define a fields data
type to either use byte or character length semantics:

A) varchar2(120 BYTE)
B) varchar2(120 CHAR)

Where A is 120 bytes and B is 120 characters?

Also, just out of curiosity if I were to attempt to load a UTF-16
character into a field in a UTF-8 database should I expect DB2 to use 8
bytes for this?

[socrates73]

Is there any way in which you can change the character semantics for
the field? In particular, I know in oracle you can define a fields data
type to either use byte or character length semantics:

A) varchar2(120 BYTE)
B) varchar2(120 CHAR)

Where A is 120 bytes and B is 120 characters?

Also, just out of curiosity if I were to attempt to load a UTF-16
character into a field in a UTF-8 database should I expect DB2 to use 8
bytes for this?

[Mark A]

"mike_dba" <mi*************@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Thank you for your response. The triple size will work in most cases.
However, we have noticed the following scenario -

I have a varchar(255) in Oracle. For a particular data item on Oracle,
I apply the Oracle function for length and get 86 character back. I
also apply the Oracle function for byte size and get back 238.

Inserting this same data into DB2 varchar(255) rejects. Inserting
into DB2 varchar(2000) works. DB2 length function returns 466 (this
should be bytes, correct ?). How could this be ?

You obviously have too much time on your hands.

[rAinDeEr]

Hi..
I have a table which I use to store names and other
information(English). Now, the requirement is that the table needs to
store all local language like Japanese, Chinese, Hindhi etc.

What all things do I have to change in the Database.The databse is a
DB2 UTF-8 database.

Also, how can I test if the data is being Inserted and how to retreive
the data.
I dont have a clue. Can some one guide me..

Thanks in advance
RaInDeEr.

[Serge Rielau]

mike_dba wrote:

Thank you for your response. The triple size will work in most cases.
However, we have noticed the following scenario -

I have a varchar(255) in Oracle. For a particular data item on Oracle,
I apply the Oracle function for length and get 86 character back. I
also apply the Oracle function for byte size and get back 238.

Inserting this same data into DB2 varchar(255) rejects. Inserting
into DB2 varchar(2000) works. DB2 length function returns 466 (this
should be bytes, correct ?). How could this be ?

The following functions have been introduced in Viper
-------
* CHARACTER_LENGTH
* OCTET_LENGTH
* POSITION
* SUBSTRING
The modified existing functions include:
* LENGTH
* LOCATE
These functions process strings along character boundaries rather than
along byte or double-byte boundaries. Each function (except
OCTET_LENGTH) accepts an argument specifying the code unit, or string
length unit of the result:

* CODEUNITS16 specifies that the result is to be expressed in
16-bit UTF-16 code units
* CODEUNITS32 specifies that the result is to be expressed in
32-bit UTF-32 code units
* OCTETS specifies that the result is to be expressed in bytes

This argument is optional for the existing functions.
----------
More information is needed to figure out the issue on bind-in.
But the fact that the byte length is notes > 400 gives some hint.
Unicode has an n-m relationship between glyphs and code points.
It could be that in your DB2 App you end up with longer code points for
the same glyph.

Just a wild guess. You could compare the HEX() values between the two.

Cheers
Serge
--
Serge Rielau
DB2 Solutions Development
IBM Toronto Lab

[mike_dba]

After accepting the fact that for a table with a varchar(255) in
Oracle, I will need to define a DB2 table as varchar (3*255), I find
that I exceed the 32K page size (as someone pointed out earlier) . So
how come Oracle can have a table defined exactly the same as DB2 and
yet fit the data in a 32K page and DB2 cannot ?

[mike_dba]

After accepting the fact that for a table with a varchar(255) in
Oracle, I will need to define a DB2 table as varchar (3*255), I find
that I exceed the 32K page size (as someone pointed out earlier) . So
how come Oracle can have a table defined exactly the same as DB2 and
yet fit the data in a 32K page and DB2 cannot ?

[mike_dba]

Please disregard my last post. As I was misinformed. The Oracle table
has fewer columns.

[mike_dba]

Please disregard my last post. As I was misinformed. The Oracle table
has fewer columns.

[mike_dba]

This was something missed. By setting the DB2CODEPAGE=1208 variable on
the client side, The data loads correctly. Apparently, the client was
not picking up the locale from the OS. There was no need for me to
expand the table by three.

As an FYI - I have found that Oracle permits page chaining (ie Oracle
can have a row span multiple data pages).