What is IBM's licensing policy regarding a backup/test DB2 server?Is this legal?

[aj]

I currently have 2 official DB2 Workgroup Edition
licenses for my 2 v8 production servers. I also have
tech support/software upgrade agreements in place
for both servers.

I am interested in building a separate backup/test DB2
server upon which I can experiment with impunity.
This backup server will not be in production in any way,
and the only person who will ever connect to it is me.
It will be up and online most if not all of the time.

My company is very much interested in staying legal and
legit in terms of software licenses. What exactly is
IBM's license policy in regards to this backup server?
Am I violating my license(s) by doing this?

Any help appreciated.

aj

[Darin McBride]

aj wrote:

I currently have 2 official DB2 Workgroup Edition
licenses for my 2 v8 production servers. I also have
tech support/software upgrade agreements in place
for both servers.

I am interested in building a separate backup/test DB2
server upon which I can experiment with impunity.
This backup server will not be in production in any way,
and the only person who will ever connect to it is me.
It will be up and online most if not all of the time.

My company is very much interested in staying legal and
legit in terms of software licenses. What exactly is
IBM's license policy in regards to this backup server?
Am I violating my license(s) by doing this?

You have a very specific legal question here. Usenet is far from the
best place to receive legal advice upon which you plan to act.

I highly recommend getting the answer to this question (in writing, if
possible) directly from your IBM representative who is in a much better
position both to understand your predicament, and to give a legally
binding response.

[aj]

I'm not asking about IBM's opinion on tort reform
here, Darin. Its a simple question, and one that
has probably been asked and answered many times
(although based on my searching, just not in this
newsgroup).

I'm sure that many of the database professionals
that read this newsgroup have a development server
that is separate from their production server, and
I'm also sure that many of those folks know exactly
what the IBM policy is regarding this. I'm sure
there is a blanket rule that says a client either
can or can't do this.

I could call IBM, but I'm not inclined to get
transferred around endlessly to people who have no
clue what I'm talking about...

aj

Darin McBride wrote:

aj wrote:

I currently have 2 official DB2 Workgroup Edition
licenses for my 2 v8 production servers. I also have
tech support/software upgrade agreements in place
for both servers.

I am interested in building a separate backup/test DB2
server upon which I can experiment with impunity.
This backup server will not be in production in any way,
and the only person who will ever connect to it is me.
It will be up and online most if not all of the time.

My company is very much interested in staying legal and
legit in terms of software licenses. What exactly is
IBM's license policy in regards to this backup server?
Am I violating my license(s) by doing this?

You have a very specific legal question here. Usenet is far from the
best place to receive legal advice upon which you plan to act.

I highly recommend getting the answer to this question (in writing, if
possible) directly from your IBM representative who is in a much better
position both to understand your predicament, and to give a legally
binding response.

[Ian]

aj wrote:

I currently have 2 official DB2 Workgroup Edition
licenses for my 2 v8 production servers. I also have
tech support/software upgrade agreements in place
for both servers.

It's been my experience that there is no distinction between
test and production servers when using WSE or ESE. The license
agreement states the limits (either #CPUs or users). The only
exception I have seen is for hot standby servers in an HA
environment.
See:

http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwork...ikopoulos.html

and

http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwork...ikopoulos.html


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[Mark Yudkin]

Answer to question as posed: You have to pay per system and you would very
definitely be infringing on your license agreement if you do not pay for
everything you are using. As far as IBM are concerned "backup" systems are
no different (as they're handled by "client license" count).

IBM will quite possibly talk a better deal - at least with EE. For WE, the
prices are so low to start with that it probably isn't worth the effort -
the discussion will cost more than the license you're trying to save. In any
case, Darin's recommendation is correct - if you want a deal, speak to your
IBM representative.

"aj" <ro****@mcdonalds.com> wrote in message
news:10*************@news.supernews.com...

I'm not asking about IBM's opinion on tort reform
here, Darin. Its a simple question, and one that
has probably been asked and answered many times
(although based on my searching, just not in this
newsgroup).

I'm sure that many of the database professionals
that read this newsgroup have a development server
that is separate from their production server, and
I'm also sure that many of those folks know exactly
what the IBM policy is regarding this. I'm sure
there is a blanket rule that says a client either
can or can't do this.

I could call IBM, but I'm not inclined to get
transferred around endlessly to people who have no
clue what I'm talking about...

aj

Darin McBride wrote:

aj wrote:

I currently have 2 official DB2 Workgroup Edition
licenses for my 2 v8 production servers. I also have
tech support/software upgrade agreements in place
for both servers.

I am interested in building a separate backup/test DB2
server upon which I can experiment with impunity.
This backup server will not be in production in any way,
and the only person who will ever connect to it is me.
It will be up and online most if not all of the time.

My company is very much interested in staying legal and
legit in terms of software licenses. What exactly is
IBM's license policy in regards to this backup server?
Am I violating my license(s) by doing this?

You have a very specific legal question here. Usenet is far from the
best place to receive legal advice upon which you plan to act.

I highly recommend getting the answer to this question (in writing, if
possible) directly from your IBM representative who is in a much better
position both to understand your predicament, and to give a legally
binding response.

[Blair Adamache]

Answers on this newsgroup are not a statement of IBM licensing. Read the
license that comes with the software, and the announcement letter:

http://www-3.ibm.com/fcgi-bin/common...um=ENUS202-214

And this section specifically:

Special Licensing Considerations

Licensing of Standby Servers

In idle standby or active standby, you must acquire correct number of
server installs and the correct number of users.

DB2 Workgroup Server Editions

A DB2 Workgroup Server Edition server, when configured with
high-availability software solely for use as an idle standby for one or
more active DB2 Workgroup Server Edition licenses, customers must obtain
one server install. No additional user requirements need to be acquired
in the idle standby server. A DB2 Workgroup Server Edition or license
installed and used as an active standby server and configured as a
backup for one or more other DB2 Workgroup Server Edition server must be
licensed for one server install and the number of users accessing the
server before failover. Should failover occur, the user licenses from a
failed DB2 Workgroup Server Edition are transferred to the active
standby machine. Customers must ensure with this transfer of
entitlement, the standby backup machine is fully licensed. For example,
if the active server is licensed for 50 users and the standby server is
licensed for 80 users, after failover, the active standby server is
licensed for 130 users.

WSUE, ESE, WHM, DLM, NSE, SPE, IMSC, DPF. These programs, when
configured with high-availability software are solely for use as an idle
standby for one or more active DB2 Program licenses. Customers need to
obtain one processor entitlement for the idle standby machine. When the
program is installed and used as an active standby, the program needs to
be licensed for the number of processors on the active standby server.
For example, if the active standby machine has four processors then you
must purchase four licenses.

IMMO, IMSC. In idle standby or active standby, you must acquire the
correct number of server installs: In idle standby, you must license the
program for one server install. In active standby, you must license the
program in the active standby server for one server install.

For specific product restrictions on High Availability/Failover
Licensing: This applies to WSE, WSUE, ESE, WHM, DLM, NSE, SPE, IMVI,
IMMO, and IMSC. For details on restrictions, refer to the unique license
information provided with each product electronically.

aj wrote:

I currently have 2 official DB2 Workgroup Edition
licenses for my 2 v8 production servers. I also have
tech support/software upgrade agreements in place
for both servers.

I am interested in building a separate backup/test DB2
server upon which I can experiment with impunity.
This backup server will not be in production in any way,
and the only person who will ever connect to it is me.
It will be up and online most if not all of the time.

My company is very much interested in staying legal and
legit in terms of software licenses. What exactly is
IBM's license policy in regards to this backup server?
Am I violating my license(s) by doing this?

Any help appreciated.

aj

[Lorne Sunley]

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:31:58 UTC, "Mark A" <no****@switchboard.net>
wrote:

The cleanest way to do this is to obtain one of the DB2 developer's
kits that have one of all the different DB2 platforms and use that to
install a development server. The developer's kit licence does not
allow for "production use"
Lorne Sunley

Can you have (at least) one remote connection with this license?

As long as the server installed is the workgroup or enterprise
version.

The 7.1 kit I have is product #11K7879 DB2 Universal Developer's
edition. AFAIK there is an equivalent 8.x version available but I do
not know the product number.

--
Lorne Sunley