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database market share 2003

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040526/tech_...etshare_1.html

Interesting to see that database sales for windows is more than
Unix.
Nov 12 '05
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Mark Townsend wrote:
Blair Adamache wrote:
the SAP we know today was Oracle-centric, and SAP has
invested quite a bit to change this.

Hmm - I guess this level of investment to non 'Oracle-centric' solutions
doesn't actually extend to training then - from the SAP web site

BC535 - Database Administration - DB2 UDB (4.6) - This course is
currently not scheduled.
BC530 - Database Administration - DB2/390 (4.6) - This course is
currently not scheduled.
BC511 - Database Administration - Informix Online (4.6C) - This course
is currently not scheduled.

SAP, Seibel, Peoplesoft etc are not stupid, and are as market driven as
any other company. Their customers want their products on the Oracle
database, and no amount of postulating or hand waving from other
database vendors is going to change that. In fact, there is significant
evidence to show that Oracle's market share under these packaged
applications is actually growing (and indeed, that IBM's share is
declining).


There is zero demand for classes on any of these products at the college
and university level too so I am not surprised.

--
Daniel Morgan
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/e...ad/oad_crs.asp
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/e...oa/aoa_crs.asp
da******@x.wash ington.edu
(replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)

Nov 12 '05 #261
Buck Nuggets wrote:

Will you get over it already? You're filling the newsgroups up with
crap - apparently out of some weird need to downplay IBM's market
share.

Although an analysis of these trends is interesting - it certainly
isn't when subject to this kind of bullshit.

Just let it go....


This thread is starting to resemble the Simpsons episode where Apu's mother
visits, and he pretends to be married to Marge.

Then Apu reveals he lied to his mother:

Homer: You know what you could do, Apu...
Apu: Shut up.
Homer: You could fake your own death...
Apu: Shut up!
Homer: All you need is a bomb...
Apu: I can't believe that you don't shut up!

SHUT UP!!!!!
SHUT UP!!!!!
SHUT UP!!!!!

I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT YOU DON'T SHUT UP!
Nov 12 '05 #262

This thread has been going since the 28th of last month.

RK - you have a LOT to answer for. Please take yourself out behind the shed
and beat the living crap out of yourself.
Nov 12 '05 #263
Daniel,

Interesting that you need 'college classes' for your pet db and the
other database products are easy enough to use that they really don't
require much training, if any, of any kind, formal or informal. In fact,
training appears to be more of a necessity for Oracles' complex product
line than any other database product despite Larry claiming at one time
in the recent past to reduce complexity. Oracle is about making money
more than anything, hat's off to them, but that doesn't make them better
than the others--which I think is the point you and Mark want to make
on a regular basis. Quantity vs quality. Form vs substance. Where's
Woody Allen?

SQL-Server installs in about 10 minutes, same for the others. Most if
not all RDBMS products function in an operational mode without the
need for anyone trained or untrained to maintain them--except maybe according
to you Oracle needs training, and what does that really say about the
product that it needs so much hand-holding?

Your condescending remarks about CRM/MRP products also is interesting
in that these are products that are indeed commercial enterprise applications
with training programs typically of their own, they may or may not appear
in a college setting, nor would anyone expect them too. This doesn't
make them worthless which is what you're trying to say, as if Oracle
is the only product worth considering. You also try to suggest that Oracle
is somehow more legitimate for having 'college classes' as if academic
standing is important. The banality would be complete to hear about
Oracle 'fellows'--which works for IBM, but it would be so ridiculous
if Oracle started doing that. An Oracle Fellow, that would be hilarious.
"Daniel Morgan" <da******@x.was hington.edu> wrote in message news:1087349038 .352795@yasure. ..
Mark Townsend wrote:
Blair Adamache wrote:
the SAP we know today was Oracle-centric, and SAP has
invested quite a bit to change this.

Hmm - I guess this level of investment to non 'Oracle-centric' solutions
doesn't actually extend to training then - from the SAP web site

BC535 - Database Administration - DB2 UDB (4.6) - This course is
currently not scheduled.
BC530 - Database Administration - DB2/390 (4.6) - This course is
currently not scheduled.
BC511 - Database Administration - Informix Online (4.6C) - This course
is currently not scheduled.

SAP, Seibel, Peoplesoft etc are not stupid, and are as market driven as
any other company. Their customers want their products on the Oracle
database, and no amount of postulating or hand waving from other
database vendors is going to change that. In fact, there is significant
evidence to show that Oracle's market share under these packaged
applications is actually growing (and indeed, that IBM's share is
declining).


There is zero demand for classes on any of these products at the college
and university level too so I am not surprised.

--
Daniel Morgan
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/e...ad/oad_crs.asp
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/e...oa/aoa_crs.asp
da******@x.wash ington.edu
(replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)


Nov 12 '05 #264
> which I think is the point you and Mark want to make
on a regular basis.

Thanks for noticing - and just so it's clear (for the newer viewers out
there, at least), I does indeed work for Oracle, so my motives are
clear, even if my prose ain't.

Nov 12 '05 #265
I think adjusted by various means (like adding DB/2 to the search
criteria, making sure to exclude Oracle Apps and other Oracle products
and the much debated DBA/DB ratio which is hard to nail down)
the numbers may indeed reflect Oracle's market share in the same way as
the used parts results for the orginal beetle on ebay tells us something
about how many beetles are out there.
A more sarcastic observer may call these legacy systems (like those old
upgraded DB2 on mainframe systems. ;-)

The interesting numbers to be are new license revenues. Is the ratio of
Siebel/Oracle to Siebel/DB2 shifting?
This is like climate change. It's not like in "The day after tomorrow"

Cheers
Serge
--
Serge Rielau
DB2 SQL Compiler Development
IBM Toronto Lab
Nov 12 '05 #266

The interesting numbers to be are new license revenues. Is the ratio of
Siebel/Oracle to Siebel/DB2 shifting?
This is like climate change. It's not like in "The day after tomorrow"


Absolutely agreed - which is why some of the numbers published last week
about who is gaining marketshare under the packaged apps, and who is
losing, are very, very interesting. Ask me more.

Nov 12 '05 #267
> > The interesting numbers to be are new license revenues. Is the ratio of
Siebel/Oracle to Siebel/DB2 shifting?
This is like climate change. It's not like in "The day after tomorrow"


Absolutely agreed - which is why some of the numbers published last week
about who is gaining marketshare under the packaged apps, and who is
losing, are very, very interesting. Ask me more.

Only the people who work for DBMS care about market share. Oracle, DB2, and
MS SQL Server will not be going away in our lifetime, so who cares.
Nov 12 '05 #268
bu*********@yah oo.com (Buck Nuggets) wrote in message news:<66******* *************** ****@posting.go ogle.com>...
wi*******@yahoo .com.au (Noons) wrote in message news:<73******* *************** ****@posting.go ogle.com>... Will you get over it already?
No.
You're filling the newsgroups up with
crap - apparently out of some weird need to downplay IBM's market
share.
No.

Although an analysis of these trends is interesting - it certainly
isn't when subject to this kind of bullshit.

Bullshit will always be pointed out. Wherever it is coming from.
Just let it go....


No.
Nov 12 '05 #269
Daniel Morgan <da******@x.was hington.edu> wrote in message news:<108730824 2.153441@yasure >...

Buck ... your protest would be far more genuine if you just acknowledged
the fact that what Noon wrote is correct. These systems all started on
IBM mainframes. Ask me how I know. ;-)

You see: some of these "impartial observers" are sooo ready
to blame everything they don't know or have never seen
on the nearest target...

Completely forgetting of course that this is the Usenet, and
no amount of "shut up orders" from them will work.
Pity it ain't a moderated ng where crap can go on
unchallenged for as long as the "owners" want, eh?
Darn!

One very simple way of this thread stopping: stop posting
false and derogatory remarks about IBM's competitors.
There: simple and easy to understand, even for an IBM marketeer.

Cheers
Nov 12 '05 #270

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