473,883 Members | 1,651 Online
Bytes | Software Development & Data Engineering Community
+ Post

Home Posts Topics Members FAQ

database market share 2003

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040526/tech_...etshare_1.html

Interesting to see that database sales for windows is more than
Unix.
Nov 12 '05
346 16707
This expression is in poor taste, but very true: 'Arguing on a newsgroup is like competing
in the special olympics - even the winners are mentally challenged."

Joel Garry wrote:
"Andrew Hamm" <ah***@mail.com > wrote in message news:<2i******* *****@uni-berlin.de>...
Daniel Morgan wrote:

Then we can all get back to postings about things of import such as
Pink Floyd vs. Bach.


Couldn't we just do this anyway? Don't you all know the second law of
Usenet?

Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you
win, you are still retarded.

I'm waiting to see who's going to be the first to lose the argument
according to Godwin's Law (first law of Usenet).


But this thread seems to be proving Garry's Paradox:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain

Take it offline or meet for a macho-cafe-latte-decaf-muggachino in a
Starbucks somewhere, so you can sort out this vital issue once and for all.

Is c.d.i destined to become a desolate wasteland of pointless arguments and
whingers pining for the good old days?


jg
--
@home.com is bogus.
Remember Kaypro? http://www.lewisizerpresents.com/leo.html


Nov 12 '05 #241
Blair Adamache wrote:
Last I head, Micfocus and the two Unix ODBC companies (Visigenic and Intersolv)
had all linked up in a menage a trois.

Daniel Morgan's assertion that code for some RDBMS's can be moved across without
recompilation perhaps implies intrepretive languages that have no compiler.
IBM's Rexx fits into this class.

Is he mean's C, then I'd love to hear how endianess is not an issue for C
applications. I'd also like to hear about life on Mars.


I'd be happy to tell you about life on Mars as soon as it is discovered.

Until then try not commenting on products for which you have apparently
never read a manual or documentation. Functions, operators, packages,
stored procedures, and triggers can all be moved without recompilation
from any Oracle platform to any other.

Assuming that other database products have a specific weakness or
strength because yours does is not a strong starting point.

--
Daniel Morgan
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/e...ad/oad_crs.asp
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/e...oa/aoa_crs.asp
da******@x.wash ington.edu
(replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)

Nov 12 '05 #242
Blair Adamache apparently said,on my timestamp of 14/06/2004 1:02 PM:
Well, SAP R3, and applications from Peoplesoft, Siebel and JD Edwards, many of
which were written for Oracle and later ported to DB2, Sybase, Informix IDS and
SQL Server in the 1990's, have had extensive investment from their owners to be
"anything but Oracle" as their internal RDBMS development platform.


about as much bull as I ever heard...
--
Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #243
Daniel Morgan apparently said,on my timestamp of 14/06/2004 2:46 PM:
Assuming that other database products have a specific weakness or
strength because yours does is not a strong starting point.


No, but it is the whole foundation of one special
kind of marketing...

--
Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #244
Blair Adamache wrote:
This expression is in poor taste, but very true: 'Arguing on a
newsgroup is like competing in the special olympics - even the
winners are mentally challenged."


Yes, but political correctness is in even poorer taste.
Nov 12 '05 #245
Blair Adamache <ba*******@nosp amtodaysiryahoo .com> wrote in message news:<40******* ********@nospam todaysiryahoo.c om>...
Well, SAP R3, and applications from Peoplesoft, Siebel and JD Edwards, many of


Absolute total and utter nonsense. SAP, Siebel, JD Edwards and many
others were written FIRST for IBM mainframe environments. That is
where their origin lies. To claim that they "moved away" from
Oracle is the perfect definition of historical revisionism a-la IBM!

Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #246
Noons wrote:
Blair Adamache <ba*******@nosp amtodaysiryahoo .com> wrote in message news:<40******* ********@nospam todaysiryahoo.c om>...
Well, SAP R3, and applications from Peoplesoft, Siebel and JD Edwards, many of

Absolute total and utter nonsense. SAP, Siebel, JD Edwards and many
others were written FIRST for IBM mainframe environments. That is
where their origin lies. To claim that they "moved away" from
Oracle is the perfect definition of historical revisionism a-la IBM!

Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam

I'm no expert in this. But Siebel was only founded in 1993. And Tom
Siebel is an ex Oracle exec. In 1993 the mainframe was proclaimed dead
already by the street.
Do you have any data to back up the claim that Siebel's premier
development platform and internal systems ran first DB2 mainframe?
Fact is that when Oracle started competing with their apps vendors those
vendors try as best as they can to distance themselves from Oracle.
Siebel itself now runs it's Siebel on DB2 and IBM runs Siebel on DB2.
I don't know how far along Siebel is converting it's development
platform from Oracle to DB2.

Cheers
Serge
--
Serge Rielau
DB2 SQL Compiler Development
IBM Toronto Lab
Nov 12 '05 #247
I thought SAP R2 was written for MVS, and SAP R3 was written first for
Oracle, and then moved to DB2 (on MVS, UNIX and Windows).

Certainly the SAP of the early 1990's bought into all the IBM
cross-platform fun (Strategic Systems Architecture, perhaps even Common
User Access). Early versions of SAP were also written for Adabas
(perhaps R1?), but the SAP we know today was Oracle-centric, and SAP has
invested quite a bit to change this.

In my recollection, JD Edwards was never a mainframe software vendor.
Their backgrounds is IBM S3/X and AS/400, which are known as mid-range
or minicomputer systems.

I could be wrong, and whether I am wrong or not, I welcome the
appropriately disparaging retort from yourself or Captain Morgan.

Noons wrote:
Blair Adamache <ba*******@nosp amtodaysiryahoo .com> wrote in message news:<40******* ********@nospam todaysiryahoo.c om>...
Well, SAP R3, and applications from Peoplesoft, Siebel and JD Edwards, many of

Absolute total and utter nonsense. SAP, Siebel, JD Edwards and many
others were written FIRST for IBM mainframe environments. That is
where their origin lies. To claim that they "moved away" from
Oracle is the perfect definition of historical revisionism a-la IBM!

Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam


Nov 12 '05 #248
wi*******@yahoo .com.au (Noons) wrote in message news:<73******* *************** ****@posting.go ogle.com>...

Absolute total and utter nonsense. SAP, Siebel, JD Edwards and many
others were written FIRST for IBM mainframe environments. That is
where their origin lies. To claim that they "moved away" from
Oracle is the perfect definition of historical revisionism a-la IBM!


Will you get over it already? You're filling the newsgroups up with
crap - apparently out of some weird need to downplay IBM's market
share.

Although an analysis of these trends is interesting - it certainly
isn't when subject to this kind of bullshit.

Just let it go....

buck
Nov 12 '05 #249
Buck Nuggets wrote:
wi*******@yahoo .com.au (Noons) wrote in message news:<73******* *************** ****@posting.go ogle.com>...
Absolute total and utter nonsense. SAP, Siebel, JD Edwards and many
others were written FIRST for IBM mainframe environments. That is
where their origin lies. To claim that they "moved away" from
Oracle is the perfect definition of historical revisionism a-la IBM!

Will you get over it already? You're filling the newsgroups up with
crap - apparently out of some weird need to downplay IBM's market
share.

Although an analysis of these trends is interesting - it certainly
isn't when subject to this kind of bullshit.

Just let it go....

buck


Buck ... your protest would be far more genuine if you just acknowledged
the fact that what Noon wrote is correct. These systems all started on
IBM mainframes. Ask me how I know. ;-)

--
Daniel Morgan
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/e...ad/oad_crs.asp
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/e...oa/aoa_crs.asp
da******@x.wash ington.edu
(replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)

Nov 12 '05 #250

This thread has been closed and replies have been disabled. Please start a new discussion.

Similar topics

68
5194
by: rkusenet | last post by:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1820667,00.asp The database market grew by 10.3 percent in 2004, fueled largely by hunger for business intelligence and analytics, according to numbers released by the Gartner Group on Monday. With 34.1 percent of the overall market, IBM holds a slim margin over its closest competitor, Oracle Corp., which maintains 33.7 percent of the overall market. Microsoft Corp. follows up with 20 percent of...
0
9935
marktang
by: marktang | last post by:
ONU (Optical Network Unit) is one of the key components for providing high-speed Internet services. Its primary function is to act as an endpoint device located at the user's premises. However, people are often confused as to whether an ONU can Work As a Router. In this blog post, we’ll explore What is ONU, What Is Router, ONU & Router’s main usage, and What is the difference between ONU and Router. Let’s take a closer look ! Part I. Meaning of...
0
9791
by: Hystou | last post by:
Most computers default to English, but sometimes we require a different language, especially when relocating. Forgot to request a specific language before your computer shipped? No problem! You can effortlessly switch the default language on Windows 10 without reinstalling. I'll walk you through it. First, let's disable language synchronization. With a Microsoft account, language settings sync across devices. To prevent any complications,...
0
11137
Oralloy
by: Oralloy | last post by:
Hello folks, I am unable to find appropriate documentation on the type promotion of bit-fields when using the generalised comparison operator "<=>". The problem is that using the GNU compilers, it seems that the internal comparison operator "<=>" tries to promote arguments from unsigned to signed. This is as boiled down as I can make it. Here is my compilation command: g++-12 -std=c++20 -Wnarrowing bit_field.cpp Here is the code in...
1
10844
by: Hystou | last post by:
Overview: Windows 11 and 10 have less user interface control over operating system update behaviour than previous versions of Windows. In Windows 11 and 10, there is no way to turn off the Windows Update option using the Control Panel or Settings app; it automatically checks for updates and installs any it finds, whether you like it or not. For most users, this new feature is actually very convenient. If you want to control the update process,...
0
10410
tracyyun
by: tracyyun | last post by:
Dear forum friends, With the development of smart home technology, a variety of wireless communication protocols have appeared on the market, such as Zigbee, Z-Wave, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, etc. Each protocol has its own unique characteristics and advantages, but as a user who is planning to build a smart home system, I am a bit confused by the choice of these technologies. I'm particularly interested in Zigbee because I've heard it does some...
1
7970
isladogs
by: isladogs | last post by:
The next Access Europe User Group meeting will be on Wednesday 1 May 2024 starting at 18:00 UK time (6PM UTC+1) and finishing by 19:30 (7.30PM). In this session, we are pleased to welcome a new presenter, Adolph Dupré who will be discussing some powerful techniques for using class modules. He will explain when you may want to use classes instead of User Defined Types (UDT). For example, to manage the data in unbound forms. Adolph will...
0
7122
by: conductexam | last post by:
I have .net C# application in which I am extracting data from word file and save it in database particularly. To store word all data as it is I am converting the whole word file firstly in HTML and then checking html paragraph one by one. At the time of converting from word file to html my equations which are in the word document file was convert into image. Globals.ThisAddIn.Application.ActiveDocument.Select();...
0
5990
by: adsilva | last post by:
A Windows Forms form does not have the event Unload, like VB6. What one acts like?
3
3231
bsmnconsultancy
by: bsmnconsultancy | last post by:
In today's digital era, a well-designed website is crucial for businesses looking to succeed. Whether you're a small business owner or a large corporation in Toronto, having a strong online presence can significantly impact your brand's success. BSMN Consultancy, a leader in Website Development in Toronto offers valuable insights into creating effective websites that not only look great but also perform exceptionally well. In this comprehensive...

By using Bytes.com and it's services, you agree to our Privacy Policy and Terms of Use.

To disable or enable advertisements and analytics tracking please visit the manage ads & tracking page.