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database market share 2003

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040526/tech_...etshare_1.html

Interesting to see that database sales for windows is more than
Unix.
Nov 12 '05
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Mark A allegedly said,on my timestamp of 11/06/2004 10:25 PM:
Funnily enough, I see NO ONE "porting" their apps to "something else".
But that must be an internal IBM "vision"...
I never said it proved anything. You implied that Oracle to DB2 never
happened (because YOU did not see it happen, see your quote above for
details), which is false. Sounds like you need another retraction.
You're the one that needs your head examined! Which apps have
been "ported" AWAY from Oracle? Don't confuse making them available
on a new product to moving them away from Oracle. The two are only
the same in your fertile imagination...
I really don't know the net effect of all these conversions,
WHAT "all these conversions"??? ? Name ONE!
Once again, on fumes. Porting to an ADDITIONAL platform
is NOT moving away from the previous one. Got it?

have seen, Oracle market share is dropping, especially on new installations
(rather than upgrades).
All I see is once the initial impact of "adding" AS400 and mainframe
licenses to Unix licenses wore off, DB2 has basically stagnated.
As widely expected. After all, one can only pull that dirty trick once.
Although knowing IBM, it will probably be a short jump to add in
CICS licenses as well. And Assembler. And whatever else they might
scrounge around...

While SQL Server is going all sails ahead. With MySQL picking up the
stray bits. That is the reality. Better deal with it...
As for new installations, that is wide open to many "interpretation s",
so we better not go there.
I don't think that it means that Oracle is a bad product, but DB2 and SQL
Server have caught up from a product perspective, and they are much cheaper,
both in terms of initial cost, and cost of ownership.


Correction: SQL Server IS much cheaper. DB2 never was, never will be.
And TCO is about as bogus a definition as any.
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Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #211
"Noons" <wi*******@yaho o.com.au.nospam > wrote in message
news:40******** **************@ news.optusnet.c om.au...

WHAT "all these conversions"??? ? Name ONE!
Once again, on fumes. Porting to an ADDITIONAL platform
is NOT moving away from the previous one. Got it?

I don't work for IBM, so I don't feel compelled to keep track of Oracle to
DB2 conversions. All I know is that I see a lot of questions about
conversions on this forum and on www.dbforums.com
Nov 12 '05 #212
OK, after little research, I found out the Amdahl has been purchased by
Fujitsu and they still make IBM plug compatible mainframes. IBM is still
required by the government to provide Fujitsu/Amdahl with microcode and
access to OS/390 source code to allow them to clone IBM mainframes.

Here is a blurb from the Fujitsu/Amdahl website:

Fortune 500 customers can continue to utilize the System/390 compatible
server line of products for their mission-critical applications for years to
come. The Millennium and OmniFlex servers are high performing, proven
technology, and very reliable. Our servers will continue to provide our
customers the best value and lowest total cost of ownership for System/390
computing.

http://www.Amdahl.com/fih/products/index.html
Nov 12 '05 #213
Mark A allegedly said,on my timestamp of 11/06/2004 10:39 PM:

You have been proven wrong in your assertion.
What, by your deranged ramblings?

None of the quotes are as you
say they are.
ALL the quotes are EXACTLY as I said they are:
they are EXACT copies of what is in IBM's site.
Yours are just interpretations from your fertile
imagination.

Making up stuff and misquoting is not a defensible position.
Precisely. Ready to retire now?
Time for you to issue another retraction.


Why should I do what you need to do?

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Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #214
Mark A allegedly said,on my timestamp of 11/06/2004 10:48 PM:
I don't work for IBM, so I don't feel compelled to keep track of Oracle to
DB2 conversions. All I know is that I see a lot of questions about
conversions on this forum and on www.dbforums.com


And I see a LOT of questions on converting from DB2 and SQL Server
to Oracle. In MANY forums. Do I assume there is a groundswell
move away from those two to Oracle? Narh, I don't have
your fertile "imaginatio n".

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Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #215
Mark A allegedly said,on my timestamp of 11/06/2004 10:53 PM:
OK, after little research, I found out the Amdahl has been purchased by
so, that crap about Gene was only what? 20 years old info?

come. The Millennium and OmniFlex servers are high performing, proven
technology, and very reliable. Our servers will continue to provide our
customers the best value and lowest total cost of ownership for System/390
computing.


an yet remarkably, they sold how many new accounts? Ah yes: none...

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Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #216
> > I don't work for IBM, so I don't feel compelled to keep track of Oracle
to
DB2 conversions. All I know is that I see a lot of questions about
conversions on this forum and on www.dbforums.com


And I see a LOT of questions on converting from DB2 and SQL Server
to Oracle. In MANY forums. Do I assume there is a groundswell
move away from those two to Oracle? Narh, I don't have
your fertile "imaginatio n".

--
Cheers
Nuno Souto


I never claimed that there were no DB2 to Oracle conversions. However YOU
DID CLAIM that were no Oracle to DB2 conversions because you did not see any
of them.

As I mentioned, Oracle market share is declining, especially on new
installation (not upgrades), so I will let that speak for itself with regard
to conversions.
Nov 12 '05 #217
> > The Millennium and OmniFlex servers are high performing, proven
technology, and very reliable. Our servers will continue to provide our
customers the best value and lowest total cost of ownership for System/390 computing.


an yet remarkably, they sold how many new accounts? Ah yes: none...

--
Cheers
Nuno Souto


When IBM mainframes (or plug compatibles) already have 90% penetration in
the Fortune 500 (in terms of accounts), how many new accounts are you
expecting?

But that is not the point. I am still awaiting a retraction on your claim
that there are no plug compatible IBM mainframes available for customers
today. I realize that I may have to wait in line for a retraction (due to
the many inaccuracies in your posts), but I am patient.
Nov 12 '05 #218
Mark A allegedly said,on my timestamp of 11/06/2004 11:01 PM:
I never claimed that there were no DB2 to Oracle conversions. However YOU
DID CLAIM that were no Oracle to DB2 conversions because you did not see any
of them.
No. Stay within the Queen's language, please. I said there are very few
(if any) commercial app conversions AWAY from Oracle. What there is
is PORTING AS WELL to SQL Server and DB2. Perfectly kosher in anyone's
book and only you could come up with the derivation that it is
a "conversion from Oracle".
As I mentioned, Oracle market share is declining, especially on new
installation (not upgrades), so I will let that speak for itself with regard
to conversions.


Me too. New installations are "conversion s" now, eh?
Makes a lot of sense. Just like the Amdahl recycled old history,
the denial of the obvious in IBM's own site, etcetc.
I let that speak for itself as well....
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Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #219
Mark A allegedly said,on my timestamp of 11/06/2004 11:07 PM:
When IBM mainframes (or plug compatibles) already have 90% penetration in
the Fortune 500 (in terms of accounts), how many new accounts are you
expecting?
None. It's called a monopoly. Something Reaganomics favored.

But that is not the point. I am still awaiting a retraction on your claim
that there are no plug compatible IBM mainframes available for customers
today.
There aren't. Fact is: not one is sold to new accounts.
I realize that I may have to wait in line for a retraction (due to
the many inaccuracies in your posts), but I am patient.


Try fishing. trolling is not your forte...

--
Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #220

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