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database market share 2003

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040526/tech_...etshare_1.html

Interesting to see that database sales for windows is more than
Unix.
Nov 12 '05
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> > and because of government regulation over the
years of IBM as a monopoly,
which stopped about 15 years ago, but the "folks"
keep invoking it as if it was magically still in effect...

Where did you get that information? Not true, it is still in effect for
mainframe stuff. Companies have been able to buy absolutely plug compatible
mainframe hardware for many years.
there is plug compatible competition at
virtually every level (even mainframe hardware).


No there isn't. If there has been a change in IT
in the last 5 years it is PRECISELY the absence
of any serious competition to IBM hardware anywhere
other than in Unix. One of the "little" results of
Reaganomics.

If the plug compatible hardware vendors have stopped competing, it is
because IBM lowered their prices so much to compete with UNIX and Windows
platforms. IBM is still required to provide mainframe microcode to the
competitors if they want to make plug compatible hardware.
As for software, it's impossible to compete with a
company that claims to "run" everything everywhere...
--

You must be talking about Oracle.
Nov 12 '05 #201
"Noons" <wi*******@yaho o.com.au.nospam > wrote in message
news:40******** **************@ news.optusnet.c om.au...
Mark A allegedly said,on my timestamp of 11/06/2004 9:37 PM:
You obviously don't pay the bills.


The IBM bills? No I don't.

You don't pay the Oracle bills either. Your company pays them. Maybe you
just authorize them to be paid. But the cost of Oracle is why people are
trying to port their applications to something else. Good old Reaganomics.
Nov 12 '05 #202
Mark A allegedly said,on my timestamp of 11/06/2004 9:48 PM:
You don't pay the Oracle bills either. Your company pays them. Maybe you
Akshally, my company pays bills to IBM...
Wrong again. But that is a constant already.
just authorize them to be paid. But the cost of Oracle is why people are
trying to port their applications to something else. Good old Reaganomics.


Funnily enough, I see NO ONE "porting" their apps to "something else".
But that must be an internal IBM "vision"...
--
Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #203
> Funnily enough, I see NO ONE "porting" their apps to "something else".
But that must be an internal IBM "vision"...

I don't have "IBM vision," nor do I particularly care. But I do see lots of
Oracle to DB2 questions on this and other DB2 forums (like www.dbforms.com).
I am sure their are similar questions about converting Oracle to SQL Server
on other forums.
Nov 12 '05 #204
Mark A allegedly said,on my timestamp of 11/06/2004 9:46 PM:

Where did you get that information? Not true, it is still in effect for
mainframe stuff. Companies have been able to buy absolutely plug compatible
mainframe hardware for many years.
Where?
If the plug compatible hardware vendors have stopped competing, it is
because IBM lowered their prices so much to compete with UNIX and Windows
platforms. IBM is still required to provide mainframe microcode to the
competitors if they want to make plug compatible hardware.
WTH wants to make pcm stuff to compete with a virtual monopoly
in discount wars? Helllloooooooo?

As for software, it's impossible to compete with a
company that claims to "run" everything everywhere...
--


You must be talking about Oracle.


Nope. Oracle claims they run their DB everywhere.
IBM claims it can run EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE.
Try reading, next time. Then again, claims are easy...
Just like the "single code base for DB2" that "NEVER
was mentioned at IBM":

http://tinyurl.com/2nd2j

Ooooo, bugger! Only 430962 matches?

and, just picking one result at random:

http://tinyurl.com/2ygua

<quote>
Roger: Many of the enterprise applications are using Java. V8 Java support is
more consistent across platforms as we use a single code base across the DB2
family. Improved SQL consistency also adds new function to DB2
</quote>

Of course, it's all errors, omissions, people badly intentioned,
no way IBM "approves this sort of statement", etcetc...

<sigh>
Some of the "folks" like to have it rubbed in your faces,
don't you?
<retraction>
BTW, nothing to do with Blair. I was wrong in thinking
he had claimed it in the old thread. Its start has been
obliterated from google and Blair's posts are not the ones I
was looking for. Many thanks for helping me here Blair, it
is much appreciated.
Only wish others at IBM had yours and Serge's helpful attitudes.
You folks are a credit to your workplace and company.
</retraction>

--
Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #205
Mark A allegedly said,on my timestamp of 11/06/2004 10:02 PM:
I don't have "IBM vision," nor do I particularly care. But I do see lots of
Oracle to DB2 questions on this and other DB2 forums (like www.dbforms.com).
I am sure their are similar questions about converting Oracle to SQL Server
on other forums.


Of course. And a lot about converting SQL Server and DB2 to Oracle.
Goes for all. What does that prove? About and exactly squat...

--
Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #206
"Noons" <wi*******@yaho o.com.au.nospam > wrote in message
news:40******** *************** @news.optusnet. com.au...
Mark A allegedly said,on my timestamp of 11/06/2004 9:46 PM:

Where did you get that information? Not true, it is still in effect for
mainframe stuff. Companies have been able to buy absolutely plug compatible mainframe hardware for many years.
Where?


Amdhal and Hitrachi Data Systems. But I really don't know if they still make
plug compatibles anymore, since mainframe prices have come down so much.
If the plug compatible hardware vendors have stopped competing, it is
because IBM lowered their prices so much to compete with UNIX and Windows platforms. IBM is still required to provide mainframe microcode to the
competitors if they want to make plug compatible hardware.
WTH wants to make pcm stuff to compete with a virtual monopoly
in discount wars? Helllloooooooo?

Gene Amdahl became a very rich man making Amdahl mainframes that were plug
compatible with IBMs.

Just like the "single code base for DB2" that "NEVER
was mentioned at IBM":

http://tinyurl.com/2nd2j


They are clearly talking about the same code base for DB2 for Linux, UNIX,
and Windows. I have never seen them claim that DB2 for OS/390 has the same
codebase as other DB2's.
Ooooo, bugger! Only 430962 matches?

and, just picking one result at random:

http://tinyurl.com/2ygua

Try looking a little closer. He is talking about the The Java Universal
Driver which does use the same code base accross all platforms.
Nov 12 '05 #207
>>> Funnily enough, I see NO ONE "porting" their apps to "something else".
But that must be an internal IBM "vision"...
I don't have "IBM vision," nor do I particularly care. But I do see lots of Oracle to DB2 questions on this and other DB2 forums (like www.dbforms.com). I am sure their are similar questions about converting Oracle to SQL Server on other forums.


Of course. And a lot about converting SQL Server and DB2 to Oracle.
Goes for all. What does that prove? About and exactly squat...
--
Cheers
Nuno Souto


I never said it proved anything. You implied that Oracle to DB2 never
happened (because YOU did not see it happen, see your quote above for
details), which is false. Sounds like you need another retraction.

I really don't know the net effect of all these conversions, but from what I
have seen, Oracle market share is dropping, especially on new installations
(rather than upgrades).

I don't think that it means that Oracle is a bad product, but DB2 and SQL
Server have caught up from a product perspective, and they are much cheaper,
both in terms of initial cost, and cost of ownership.
Nov 12 '05 #208
Mark A allegedly said,on my timestamp of 11/06/2004 10:17 PM:

Amdhal and Hitrachi Data Systems. But I really don't know if they still make
plug compatibles anymore, since mainframe prices have come down so much.
Then WTH are you claiming that it is still done?
Gene Amdahl became a very rich man making Amdahl mainframes that were plug
compatible with IBMs.
So what? Who's talking about what happened 20 years ago?
I said: in the last 5 years. Can you stay within the subject
for a second?


http://tinyurl.com/2nd2j

They are clearly talking about the same code base for DB2 for Linux, UNIX,
and Windows. I have never seen them claim that DB2 for OS/390 has the same
codebase as other DB2's.


Try looking a little closer. He is talking about the The Java Universal
Driver which does use the same code base accross all platforms.


crapcrapcrap... .

remarkably, the phrase is:

"as we use a single code base across the DB2 family"
strange "family" that changes form z/OS DB2 to Java "universal driver"
like lightening, depending on what interpretation is given...
Like I said before: "everything everywhere". what is important is to claim it,
not to be correct. Isn't it? :)

and the quote is from an article that reads in the VERY FIRST paragraph:
"Version 8 of the IBM DB2 Universal Database for z/OS represents the "
Not bad for "clearly talking about the same code base for DB2 for Linux, ".
Of course. It's all the same everywhere, isn't it?
Definitely enjoying to get it rubbed on your faces....
Can't you just see that it is PLAINLY indefensible, TOTALLY RIDICULOUS
and DEMEANING to even pretend that it is anything else but a sham?

Do you really want more ACTUAL quotes from IBM's OWN web sites and
articles? There are only 430000 of them to go, you know?
We could be here a looong time...

--
Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #209
> Definitely enjoying to get it rubbed on your faces....
Can't you just see that it is PLAINLY indefensible, TOTALLY RIDICULOUS
and DEMEANING to even pretend that it is anything else but a sham?

Do you really want more ACTUAL quotes from IBM's OWN web sites and
articles? There are only 430000 of them to go, you know?
We could be here a looong time...

--
Cheers
Nuno Souto


You have been proven wrong in your assertion. None of the quotes are as you
say they are. Making up stuff and misquoting is not a defensible position.
Time for you to issue another retraction.
Nov 12 '05 #210

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