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database market share 2003

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040526/tech_...etshare_1.html

Interesting to see that database sales for windows is more than
Unix.
Nov 12 '05
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Mark A allegedly said,on my timestamp of 11/06/2004 3:02 PM:
You make it sound like IBM has the power of the mafia. I don't think so.
I very much think so, having been on the receiving end of their
sales techniques for a looooooong time....

Actually, a surprising number of companies have purchased Oracle for OS/390.
Oracle gave me 5 references in the Fortune top 25 companies in the US. I
checked all 5 out, and all 5 purchased it, but not one was using it for a
production system.


That to me spells one thing and one thing only: there is a surprising
number of companies that are looking at ANY way of becoming LESS
dependent on IBM. I wonder why...
Unfortunately, there are very few people left around that know
exactly how to take advantage of that.
--
Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #191
"Noons" <wi*******@yaho o.com.au.nospam > wrote in message
news:40******** **************@ news.optusnet.c om.au...
Mark A allegedly said,on my timestamp of 11/06/2004 3:02 PM:
You make it sound like IBM has the power of the mafia. I don't think so.
I very much think so, having been on the receiving end of their
sales techniques for a looooooong time....

Sales techniques? Maybe you could explain your libelous statement in detail.
I doubt very much that your were in a decision making postion anyway, which
is what you are really complaining about.
Actually, a surprising number of companies have purchased Oracle for OS/390. Oracle gave me 5 references in the Fortune top 25 companies in the US. I
checked all 5 out, and all 5 purchased it, but not one was using it for a production system.


That to me spells one thing and one thing only: there is a surprising
number of companies that are looking at ANY way of becoming LESS
dependent on IBM. I wonder why...
Unfortunately, there are very few people left around that know
exactly how to take advantage of that.
--
Cheers
Nuno Souto


Not exactly. You have a limited imagination. They bought Oracle on a smaller
platform and believed the hype that Oracle could successfully port their
application to any platform. As one consultant told me, the reason that
people buy Oracle on OS/390 (even though it doesn't work well on that
platform) is the same reason that people buy pet rocks. Now that is real
marketing.
Nov 12 '05 #192


Noons wrote:
Mark A allegedly said,on my timestamp of 11/06/2004 3:02 PM:
You make it sound like IBM has the power of the mafia. I don't think so.

I very much think so, having been on the receiving end of their
sales techniques for a looooooong time....

Actually, a surprising number of companies have purchased Oracle for
OS/390.
Oracle gave me 5 references in the Fortune top 25 companies in the US. I
checked all 5 out, and all 5 purchased it, but not one was using it for a
production system.

That to me spells one thing and one thing only: there is a surprising
number of companies that are looking at ANY way of becoming LESS
dependent on IBM. I wonder why...
Unfortunately, there are very few people left around that know
exactly how to take advantage of that.


You confuse two things:
Buying/using a company's product and becoming dependent on a company.
You are right though that customers don't like to be dependent of a
company whether it is IBM, Oracle or MS. That is probably why Linux is
growing rapidly in spite of MS accusations that it is more expensive to
administer. Might also explain why Oracle is growing much less than its
rivals. Ever tried to port SQLForm applications?
--
Anton Versteeg
IBM Certified DB2 Specialist
IBM Netherlands

Nov 12 '05 #193
(cutting out c.d.i)
Hmm, that's not how it should be. Here is a randum link to a schedule:
http://bneo15.sba.com/ew/idug/displa...d=42&display=g
Most titles have qualifiers, all presentations have a platform note (it
needs to be chosen from a choose-box when submitting the presentation).
I sampled a few of the titles you refer to (those I could readily find
online) and found that they refer to the platforms in the abstract.
Sowhatever confusion may exist, won't last past the first paragraph.
FWIW, note that IDUG is not controlled by IBM.

Cheers
Serge
--
Serge Rielau
DB2 SQL Compiler Development
IBM Toronto Lab
Nov 12 '05 #194
Mark A allegedly said,on my timestamp of 11/06/2004 9:00 PM:
I very much think so, having been on the receiving end of their
sales techniques for a looooooong time....

Sales techniques? Maybe you could explain your libelous statement in detail.
I doubt very much that your were in a decision making postion anyway, which
is what you are really complaining about.


Libelous was your mother!
Go and intimidate her, she might be impressed...

platform and believed the hype that Oracle could successfully port their
application to any platform.
Oracle" does not "port" anything, nor does the company claim
any of that. Looks like you're the one with too much imagination...

As one consultant told me, the reason that
people buy Oracle on OS/390 (even though it doesn't work well on that
platform) is the same reason that people buy pet rocks. Now that is real
marketing.


Yeah, we call those "con-sultants"....

--
Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #195
> >> You make it sound like IBM has the power of the mafia. I don't think
so.

Noons wrote:
I very much think so, having been on the receiving end of their
sales techniques for a looooooong time....

In my experience, the two companies that most IT shops fear the most these
days, and wish they were less dependent on, are Oracle and CA. There is not
much argument about that, even if people do like their products.

People no longer fear IBM, and because of government regulation over the
years of IBM as a monopoly, there is plug compatible competition at
virtually every level (even mainframe hardware).
Nov 12 '05 #196
Anton Versteeg allegedly said,on my timestamp of 11/06/2004 8:52 PM:

rivals. Ever tried to port SQLForm applications?

No. Why should I? They work perfectly well across many,
many platforms. Unlike the M$ crap, or CICS...

--
Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #197
> > rivals. Ever tried to port SQLForm applications?


No. Why should I? They work perfectly well across many,
many platforms. Unlike the M$ crap, or CICS...

--
Cheers
Nuno Souto


You obviously don't pay the bills.
Nov 12 '05 #198
Mark A allegedly said,on my timestamp of 11/06/2004 9:33 PM:
People no longer fear IBM,
IME, you're full of shit.
and because of government regulation over the
years of IBM as a monopoly,
which stopped about 15 years ago, but the "folks"
keep invoking it as if it was magically still in effect...
there is plug compatible competition at
virtually every level (even mainframe hardware).


No there isn't. If there has been a change in IT
in the last 5 years it is PRECISELY the absence
of any serious competition to IBM hardware anywhere
other than in Unix. One of the "little" results of
Reaganomics.

As for software, it's impossible to compete with a
company that claims to "run" everything everywhere...
--
Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #199
Mark A allegedly said,on my timestamp of 11/06/2004 9:37 PM:



You obviously don't pay the bills.


The IBM bills? No I don't.

--
Cheers
Nuno Souto
wi*******@yahoo .com.au.nospam
Nov 12 '05 #200

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